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Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%. - Fox news Snap Poll
FoxNews.Com ^ | 10/11/2012 | Fox Nation

Posted on 10/12/2012 5:47:52 AM PDT by ThinkingBuddha

Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%. Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/vp-debate-poll/2012/10/11/ryan-wins-post-debate-snap-poll#ixzz295XKiR3y

(Excerpt) Read more at nation.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012polls; 2012veep; poll

1 posted on 10/12/2012 5:47:59 AM PDT by ThinkingBuddha
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To: ThinkingBuddha
Joe is rude and it's all about "Party".

Ryan is young....but no doubt has his head on straight and willing to work FOR ALL OF US.

2 posted on 10/12/2012 5:52:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Don’t know as it was unwatchable...


3 posted on 10/12/2012 5:52:47 AM PDT by Michigander222
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To: ThinkingBuddha

R/R are 2-0 with two debates to go!

So much for Joe Biden as the great white (dem) hope. There’s no one left to bail Obama out. Its all on him going forward.


4 posted on 10/12/2012 5:53:58 AM PDT by goodolemr
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To: ThinkingBuddha

I don’t quite ‘get’ the polling on this one. Condescending chortles, interuption, and talking over your opponent don’t equate to getting your ideas in front of the American public.

And, I reject the meme that Ryan was put on the defensive the entire night....the nature of the election automatically puts the current administration on the defensive.

Ryan did look nervous at times, and he left some things unanswered. I especially wished he would admonish Biden for repeatedly saying ‘you guys need to take responsibility’...for what? Romney hasn’t held elected office for years...and all these phantom cuts Ryan voted for never became law...because the senate hasn’t taken up a budget in years.

Oh well...but oddly, once again the American public has witnessed Barry’s penchant for letting other people do the hard work. The more the media shout about how great Joe did, the more we are reminded that Obama isn’t ready for prime time. Biden, Romney, AND Ryan have outperformed him.


5 posted on 10/12/2012 5:56:50 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: goodolemr

Next debate Romney will have to combat the liberal plants not Obama. He better have great answers for Hobson’s Choice type questions like...”Mr Romney if my daughter was raped would you restrict her choices on what she wants to do with the baby..”. Obama is inconsequential, he is a bumbling, rambling idiot, this was proven last debate. The MSM will declare Obama the winner and Ben Franklins will be exchanged to the DUer plants afterwards.


6 posted on 10/12/2012 6:02:02 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: ThinkingBuddha

I’m not sure that “winning” or “losing” the debate was what this one was about.

From my perspective, Biden’s job was to staunch the bleeding of the Kenyan’s campaign. If he’d have allowed Rep. Ryan a fair hearing, we’d be looking at a >55% - <44% race on election day, with the anti-Christ scoring fewer than 200 electoral votes.

So, the Dem objective was just to prevent Rep. Ryan from scoring the knock-out punch. They were also hoping to get lucky, and have Rep. Ryan react negatively toward the anti-Christ’s minion’s atrocious behavior. They didn’t get lucky; the next Vice President showed himself to be a man of nearly limitless patience. But Biden did achieve the primary objective: He prevented the knock-out punch.

By the same token, the first goal of the Romney/Ryan campaign was to guard against an outright loss. They knew that Biden would attack and try to provoke Rep. Ryan. They knew that Biden would try to simultaneously prevent Rep. Ryan from getting across his message while also trying to get him to behave uncivilly. The Romney/Ryan folks knew their primary objective was for Rep. Ryan to appear serious, personable, knowledgeable, and mature. For them, getting lucky would have been to be able to cut through all the nonsense they knew Biden was going to throw at them, and deliver the coup de grace. They achieved their primary goal, but didn’t get lucky.

Thus, the Dems have staunched the arterial bleeding of their campaign, and live to fight another day, but the Republicans continue in a favored position, unharmed by last night’s debate.

On balance, it’s a modest “win” for Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan, in that the event mostly just firmed up the status quo, which right now, favors them significantly.

It is sort of a nice bonus that the creature Biden was revealed to all of America for the slimy disease that it is.


7 posted on 10/12/2012 6:04:07 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Biden looked a little... impaired during the debate. Was it just me or had our Vice President had a couple (or 6) before the debate?


8 posted on 10/12/2012 6:04:42 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Psalms 109:8)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

‘’Unexpected or inappropriate smiling, laughter, or excitement’’ is a classic symptom of schizophrenia.

The average voter does not have to have a degree in psychopathology to understand that something was wrong with Joe Biden last night. If the purpose of the debate was to determine which candidate was likelier to end up in a mental institution, Joe Biden won hands down. But if the purpose was to determine who would make a better vice-president of the United States, Paul Ryan had a decisive victory.


9 posted on 10/12/2012 6:07:05 AM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: sitetest
Good points. My impression was that both Biden and the moderator were trying to goad Ryan into blowing his cool. He didn't. He didn't take the bait. He looked calm and in control, just as Romney did. After four years of vapidity, thrashing around, and spending the country into bankruptcy by the current regime, I sense that many people are looking for a team that can provide sensible, mature leadership and common sense approaches to dealing with problems. R&R can do that.
10 posted on 10/12/2012 6:10:20 AM PDT by chimera
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To: ThinkingBuddha

11 posted on 10/12/2012 6:10:31 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Bluestocking

Joe was the drunk uncle last night. He acted as if the moderator was sitting on his lap, while he laughed. It was 2 against 1, but Ryan was still a gentleman.


12 posted on 10/12/2012 6:12:02 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: Sacajaweau

Joe may have had the questions in advance and that is why he was laughing without much control.


13 posted on 10/12/2012 6:13:09 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Joe Biden is a complete and total ass, who doesn’t have the slightest concept of when he is making a fool of himself. I bet Raddatz wanted so bad to pass him a note or give him a high sign to “Turn off the teeth, Joe”. I also wonder if the people who were coaching Biden non-stop for the debate for the last week had any idea he was going to pull that crap at debate time. Seems like they must have thought of every possible way Joe Biden could make a fool of himself and drilled him on it.


14 posted on 10/12/2012 6:16:37 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Martha Raddatz lost the debate BIG TIME!!!!

The other loser was Joe Biden—he lost by default on his smirks and lies!

That leaves Ryan—the survivor by default—as the winner!


15 posted on 10/12/2012 6:17:28 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

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16 posted on 10/12/2012 6:19:20 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: sitetest

I think you’re right, they sacrificed Biden’s likability to prevent an all out win and the R/R campaign’s momentum from really taking off. Hoping that Biden’s likeability (or lack thereof) won’t ultimately rub off too much on Obama.

It’s a solid strategy on their part. They gave up on the chance to win in order to guarantee to not get blown out. But it was still a loss for them.


17 posted on 10/12/2012 6:22:03 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: ThinkingBuddha
Despite Biden's rudeness, I think he handed Ryan his butt!! Joe was articulate, convincing and he made a very, very strong case for his side - IMHO. Ryan was ineffective in refuting Joe's half-truths and was too polite toward Joe and the biased and interpretive (to Ryan) moderator. Paul did not make the case for conservative fiscal policies; Joe did make the case for current Democrat policies.

Paul - we're dealing with Chicago thug style politicians. We need you to put the rabid lying dogs down. Paul - you're a nice guy and a wonk but nice guys will finish last in this race.

I'm a Christian conservative voter. Unfortunately, I saw Ryan as being out of his league last night. My concern is that many independents saw him the same way.

18 posted on 10/12/2012 6:25:56 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord

Pfffffft!

Ok. Sure.

He did such a (((wonderful))) job. He certainly convinced me that Democrat policies were the way to go!


19 posted on 10/12/2012 6:29:15 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: lacrew

“Condescending chortles, interuption, and talking over your opponent don’t equate to getting your ideas in front of the American public”

Quite apparent that Axelrod had a lot of input into Biden’s debate prep: short on facts - well, legitimate facts - and long on bully and diversion tactics.


20 posted on 10/12/2012 6:35:04 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Truthsearcher; chimera

Gotta give credit where credit is due. The Kenyan’s camp knew their man. They understood Biden’s limitations. They chopped the mission down to the man. They knew that Biden couldn’t beat Rep. Ryan on points, couldn’t run on the anti-Christ’s record, couldn’t show himself smarter than Rep. Ryan.

But he could get in the way of Rep. Ryan making a clear case.

In boxing terms, opposite of rope-a-dope, his strategy was to get in there close and clinch Rep. Ryan, so that Rep. Ryan could never make a clean, forceful punch. While in the clinch, he delivered a few glancing low blows, but nothing really landed.

The “moderator” made no effort to force Biden to stop clinching, and in fact, often joined in the fun.

Tactical win for the Dems: their campaign didn’t get destroyed. Strategic win for the Republicans: Every day they maintain or slightly build their lead is a day closer to victory.


21 posted on 10/12/2012 6:46:28 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

I was taken aback at how biden was yelling and wagging his finger at the moderator. I was wondering if he would have done that to a man and also wondering why his comments weren’t directed to Ryan, but rather the woman at the table...


22 posted on 10/12/2012 6:48:55 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Oh, SNAP.


23 posted on 10/12/2012 6:50:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

Awful debate. Biden’s smirks, use of the word MALARKEY, and constant interruptions were just too much. The one thing I wished Ryan would have hit on HARDER and would have shut Biden up would have been to hit hard on Harry Reid! Biden’s entire line of attack was the Republican House Obstruction. If I were Ryan, I would have pointed out SENATE OBSTRUCTION and SENATE TABLING OF BILLS!


24 posted on 10/12/2012 6:51:05 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

I think the old adage, “Never Wrestle with a Pig” comes to mind.


25 posted on 10/12/2012 6:52:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

That CNBC poll was an online poll, not a real poll. Later in the evening it had Biden ahead.

Of the two actual polls I’ve seen, Ryan won the CNN one and Biden won the CBS version of the same.

Personally, I think Biden was so offputting that Ryan wins by default.


26 posted on 10/12/2012 6:53:38 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: sitetest

You should write political commentary for a living... excellent review this morning.. nice job!


27 posted on 10/12/2012 7:13:21 AM PDT by Kratos
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Plugs was on drugs.

The man’s mind must be a medical waste dump.


28 posted on 10/12/2012 7:26:20 AM PDT by EKTACHROME (meh)
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To: Michigander222

I watched the whole thing — and it was painful to watch. I don’t know how Ryan could sit there and restrain himself from hauling off and socking Biden in the face.


29 posted on 10/12/2012 7:27:33 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Alcohol can produce the sort of deranged behaviour Biden displayed last night but only for a relatively short time frame followed by lethargy, slurred speech, and snoring. I agree he was "on" something but believe it was more in the category of an amphetamine. Maybe he was doing a test run for the "momma's little helpers" Obama will be using next week. The Colombian Red Bud (or was it something from his last holiday on Maui?) last week did not seem to produce a favourable effect.
30 posted on 10/12/2012 7:35:46 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Longbow1969

CBS was an online poll as well. Only two polls that I’ve seen so far that were not online polls are CNN and Pew. Both had Ryan winning.


31 posted on 10/12/2012 8:10:00 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: goodolemr

Allow me to correct one word - Biden - the great white dope -


32 posted on 10/12/2012 8:49:54 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: lacrew

I’ve been thinking over a few things. I was rather upset that Paul didn’t comeback with some zingers when the opportunities were there. However, I’ve come to the conclusion that he just let Biden act out and let the American public see for themselves what a buffoon he really is. Sort of like ignoring your child when he/she acts up and not giving in. When they settle down, then you have a conversation. I really think they wanted Paul to react so that Biden could deliver what they thought would be a true knock-out punch and Paul didn’t give him the satisfaction. I also think Paul just wanted to get it over with and get the heck out of there. He was tag-teamed.


33 posted on 10/12/2012 8:53:25 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: sitetest
In boxing terms, opposite of rope-a-dope, his strategy was to get in there close and clinch Rep. Ryan, so that Rep. Ryan could never make a clean, forceful punch. While in the clinch, he delivered a few glancing low blows, but nothing really landed.

Thought the same exact thing after the debate. Reminded me of a boring heavyweight champ match where one guy just hangs on the other one for 2 out of every 3 minutes of each round.
34 posted on 10/12/2012 9:08:11 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: Catsrus

One thing I wish Ryan would have done....turn to Joe Biden while he was smiling and say ‘I really don’t think the American people find a nuclear Iran to be that funny, Joe...so please tell me whay you do.’


35 posted on 10/12/2012 9:18:34 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: ThinkingBuddha; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; ...
and of course, Fox weighs in...

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36 posted on 10/12/2012 2:52:22 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Not just you. Definitely a lack of impulse control & “mood elevation” there.
Then again, considering the general condition of the left, I guess it shouldn’t have been too surprising. I feel lucky that he wasn’t slingin’ the S & F all over the place, myself.


37 posted on 10/12/2012 3:40:30 PM PDT by KGeorge
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