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Democrats: Biden wasn't rude, he was just passionate
Washington Examiner ^ | 10/12/2012 | Byron York

Posted on 10/12/2012 7:06:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

DANVILLE, Kentucky -- There are two ways to judge Thursday's vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan, and no one yet knows which one voters will choose.

The first is on the substance of what was discussed. That debate was about a tie, with Biden winning on issues like Medicare and Afghanistan, and Ryan winning on taxes and Libya. Judged on the substance, it seems unlikely that debate will change much of anything in the broader presidential race.

The second way to judge the debate is on style, but that really means just one thing: Joe Biden's demeanor. If voters believe the vice president was smirking, rude, and condescending, then the night was Ryan's. If they believe Biden simply spoke forcefully about things he believes deeply, it was Biden's. But the bottom line is that the style debate is all about Joe.

Even though the 90-minute session covered Libya, Iran, Afghanistan, jobs, taxes, Social Security, Medicare, abortion and several other issues, it was Biden's behavior that dominated the post-debate spin room. Top Obama campaign officials argued aggressively that Biden, who smiled, laughed, and often interrupted Ryan during the discussion of a number of serious topics, had struck the perfect tone.

"Biden was a happy warrior tonight," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said. "Joe Biden was a happy warrior for the middle class."

Still, was it appropriate for Biden to actually laugh while Ryan was speaking? "I think it was appropriate for him to show passion and have him be a happy warrior," Messina said. "When the other side is spending their time talking about facial gestures and laughing, you know they had a bad night."

Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who played Ryan in Biden's debate preparation sessions, said that the more the vice president focused on Republican positions during those sessions, the more determined he became to be aggressive on debate night. "Joe Biden is passionate about the middle class," Van Hollen said. "These issues are serious, and the vice president takes them very seriously."

"I think what you saw tonight was a true passion," said Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, "a lifetime of passion for an America where the middle class is growing." O'Malley, who was invited by the Obama campaign to speak on the vice president's behalf, called Ryan "a very immature young man who's not ready for this job" and added, "I thought, frankly, that Paul Ryan came across as a bit of a cold fish when he wasn't coming off as shallow and totally unprepared for the high office for which he's running."

"And some of their stuff was laughable," O'Malley continued. Reciting Republican positions on tax cuts, O'Malley concluded, "I think that is laughable, and frankly I'm glad that the vice president laughed at them for that. They deserve to be laughed at -- and scorned."

For their part, Republicans could barely believe that a debate they thought would be about big issues ended with everyone discussing Biden's facial expressions. "I thought it was rude, condescending, and less than professional," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz.

"Shocking," said Kerry Healey, who served as lieutenant governor of Massachusetts when Mitt Romney was governor. "I thought he was blustery, non-substantive, and very hostile."

"He reminded me of Al Gore in 2000, with the smirking and the facial gestures and the sighing and the smiling," said Russ Schriefer, a top Romney aide. "It just seemed odd."

If Democrats are to be believed, they really don't mind Biden's style because he consistently drew a sharp contrast between himself and Ryan on key issues. Just as Messina stressed reaction in a few top swing states after last week's first presidential debate in Denver, so he did in Danville, insisting that Biden had gotten the job done.

"What I wanted tonight was a clear difference between us and them on taxes, on Medicare, on Social Security, and that's exactly what we got," Messina said. "And so from the campaign manager tonight, that's a victory for me." Pointing to target audiences in Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and a few other states, Messina asked, "What did voters in Colorado, swing voters in JeffCo and Arapahoe, see? What they saw was a clear difference on choice, a clear difference on contraception, a clear difference on Medicare and Social Security, and a clear difference on the economy."

There's no doubt Messina got the contrast he wanted. And there's no doubt the Democratic base -- frustrated by President Obama's timid and uninspiring performance in Denver -- finally got some red meat. But what did voters think of Biden himself? The answer to that question will decide who won the debate.

But some Democrats believed they already knew the answer. Maybe Biden was super-aggressive. But after the debate one side was defending its guy and the other was whining about its opponent. Doesn't that tell you something? "If you're complaining," said Democratic Rep. Xavier Becerra, "you're losing."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012veep; biden; byronyork; debate; joebiden; rudedems

1 posted on 10/12/2012 7:06:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The loudest most obnoxious person in any conversation is the one who knows the least and has the most to hide.


2 posted on 10/12/2012 7:09:55 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Desperation leads to curious events)
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To: SeekAndFind
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3 posted on 10/12/2012 7:11:46 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: SeekAndFind
"Passionate" like a spouse abuser.

Biden was rude, condescending and disrespectful.

4 posted on 10/12/2012 7:12:01 AM PDT by bayliving (I suffer from democrat induced tourette syndrome...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Come on folks...it’s called respect, sophistication and manners. Yes, manners even in a debate. If you need a replacement for Big Bird then Joe’s your man. If you think it’s time to put a statesman back to help lead this great Nation in these troubled times then Ryan clearly was the winner.


5 posted on 10/12/2012 7:12:23 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: SeekAndFind
Proverbs 29:9

When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.

6 posted on 10/12/2012 7:12:45 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And the voters will be passionate Nov 6th!!


7 posted on 10/12/2012 7:18:51 AM PDT by Michigander222
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To: SeekAndFind

So was Jeffry Dahmer


8 posted on 10/12/2012 7:19:59 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: John 3_19-21
Since when does buffoonery get equated with passion?
9 posted on 10/12/2012 7:21:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats: Biden wasn't rude, he was just passionate an absolute jerk.
10 posted on 10/12/2012 7:22:09 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: bmwcyle

Was Joe drunk or on some kind of anti-depressant? He seemed to come down the last half hour.


11 posted on 10/12/2012 7:25:03 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: bmwcyle

Was Joe drunk or on some kind of anti-depressant? He seemed to come down the last half hour.


12 posted on 10/12/2012 7:25:15 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: bmwcyle; Vigilanteman


13 posted on 10/12/2012 7:25:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: bmwcyle

Was Joe drunk or on some kind of anti-depressant? He seemed to come down the last half hour.


14 posted on 10/12/2012 7:25:24 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Other passionate men in history:

Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer, Jared Loughner, Judas Iscariot, Vlad the Impaler, Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Fidel Castro, Vladimir Lenin.

15 posted on 10/12/2012 7:25:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, and I’ll be “passionate” when I got to the polls.
No Ds will get my vote...ever.


16 posted on 10/12/2012 7:25:27 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry - but cutting into Paul Ryan’s time and answer is just plain rude and obnoxious. They can spin it any way they want. The people saw it and the people get it. Except for the rat base, of course.


17 posted on 10/12/2012 7:27:08 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: bayliving

When Democrats are challenged they are always rude, condescending and disrespectful. Remember good old Ted Kennedy?


18 posted on 10/12/2012 7:28:14 AM PDT by rocksblues (Being a Liberal means never having to mean it when you apologize.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually he was the living example of what Saul Alinsky thought a Democrat should be.


19 posted on 10/12/2012 7:28:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: lgjhn23
Be nice when the call for the election for Romney , the Chissy Matthews and Rachel Maddows can scream that they won debates, won the Rassmussen Daily SuperDuper Battleground Favorability Election Tracker Poll and that most Ivy league economist like Obama

Like someone who argues that even though the lost on the scoreboard they really won becuase the boxscore says they gained more yards and had more turnovers.

20 posted on 10/12/2012 7:30:41 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: SeekAndFind

Biden was pASSionate.


21 posted on 10/12/2012 7:33:05 AM PDT by golfisnr1
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, right. So that shout of FUBO or FUJB at the next campaign stop is not rude, it is just a passionate response to the jackass party and its dimwitted VP.

FUBO & FAD (Not just passion...pure hatred of democrats and the democrat party)


22 posted on 10/12/2012 7:34:11 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Romney laughs, smirks or interrupts Obama in the next debate 5% as much as Joe did last night he will be called a rude racist elitist by the talking heads in the MSM.


23 posted on 10/12/2012 7:34:46 AM PDT by JIM O
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To: SeekAndFind
""Biden was a happy warrior tonight," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said. "Joe Biden was a happy warrior for the middle class."

Still, was it appropriate for Biden to actually laugh while Ryan was speaking? "I think it was appropriate for him to show passion and have him be a happy warrior,"

Messina is invoking this assclown (and former VP)?

Wow, the election really is over.

24 posted on 10/12/2012 7:36:45 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NE1, NC, FL, VA, OH, CO, IA OR NV = 281EV)
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To: John 3_19-21

The Dems/MSNBC crowd was buoyed by Biden’s antics.

But they were the only ones.


25 posted on 10/12/2012 7:37:18 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: SeekAndFind

The “sad” thing is - actually not sad for us at all - is that this clown and the libs think this was a great strategy. I kept thinking to myself, “In Biden’s world, this is probably acceptable,” but Biden’s world is not the one most Americans inhabit.

Most of the rest of the country is not amused.


26 posted on 10/12/2012 7:38:38 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s right... he was passionately rude.


27 posted on 10/12/2012 7:39:10 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: ConservativeDude
I wish someone at MSNBC would tell me what it is about Iran getting a nuclear weapon that Joe Biden finds funny?

He laughed and guffawed while this serious matter was being discussed.

28 posted on 10/12/2012 7:40:00 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Even a foolish man is considered wise when he keeps his mouth shut.


29 posted on 10/12/2012 7:40:51 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: bayliving
Biden was rude, condescending and disrespectful.

Yes, but in a liberal leftist’s eyes that is passion - so is shooting your mother in the head - they mean the same thing to them. They have no scruples, morals or boundaries. They are unruly children with no concept of polite society or a free society.

30 posted on 10/12/2012 7:43:51 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: ConservativeDude
The Dems/MSNBC crowd was buoyed by Biden’s antics.

Meaning you can expect Obama to continue with them.

They are worried about their base.

the Death Spiral continues...


31 posted on 10/12/2012 7:44:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind; mickie; flaglady47
The author is subtly praising Biden with faint damns and damning Ryan with faint praises.

The lies told by Biden are not delved into and exposed....only style is addressed and graded, not substance and truth.

I only remark upon this and other sly manipulations in the article because Byron York is supposed to be a conservative scribe and pundit. This CINO, light-weight, hastily tossed-off, unperceptive piece of junk writing hardly becomes him and his alleged analytical talents.

Leni

32 posted on 10/12/2012 7:47:00 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: listenhillary

If Biden were in high school, there would be a big anti bullying campaign against him right now from the left.


33 posted on 10/12/2012 7:48:06 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Acid. Hope he gets flashbacks. Or maybe that *was* a flashback??

Anywy, important to get this loony toon away from anything sharp. Like nukes.


34 posted on 10/12/2012 7:49:18 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Last night’s debate won’t sway the hard core constituencies on either side, but the undecided voters must have seen an insufferable asshole on full display for what he truly is. How they vote is all that matters now. Biden was an embarrassment to himself and he is too stupid to realize it. I’m glad Obama is proud of him.

The debate may arguably have been a draw, but if perceptions count for anything, Biden lost, badly.


35 posted on 10/12/2012 7:52:12 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: pburgh01
"Like someone who argues that even though the lost on the scoreboard they really won becuase the boxscore says they gained more yards and had more turnovers."

I know entirely too many people like that and they're call FANTASY LEAGUERS.

36 posted on 10/12/2012 7:52:32 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NE1, NC, FL, VA, OH, CO, IA OR NV = 281EV)
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To: SeekAndFind

37 posted on 10/12/2012 7:56:29 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: SeekAndFind
Biden was rude. He was like Al Gore rolling his eyes - a jerk.

Biden was every 'oh so superior' liberal we all have to deal with - the ones who look down their noses at everyday Americans.

Biden was the quintessential liberal elites - sooooooo much better than the little people. Eff him - and eff the MSM who love what a shit he was to Ryan and to all conservatives.

38 posted on 10/12/2012 7:58:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: baddog 219

Passionately rude.


39 posted on 10/12/2012 7:59:05 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Biden was rude, obnoxious, immature and out of control. A guy like that who can't control himself eventually craps his pants. I suspect biden has done that a number of times.
40 posted on 10/12/2012 8:24:09 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SeekAndFind


"Pay no attention to the loud and obnoxious Veep!"

-DNC
41 posted on 10/12/2012 8:33:26 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: SeekAndFind

Joe was a professional the entire debate. He came across as a professional buffoon. Look at all the years he had in the Senate to perfect his ‘act’.


42 posted on 10/12/2012 8:42:00 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: baddog 219

43 posted on 10/12/2012 8:44:28 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend.


44 posted on 10/12/2012 9:22:01 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Bitsy

“...They are unruly children with no concept of polite society or a free society....”

Nope. They are diseased. They have a chronic, debilitating mental disease with no known cure. Last night, was just another classic example of it for all the world to see. Liberalism rots out the human brain to the point where no logic or objective reasoning skills are no longer existent. It’s a sort of mental zombie-ism BTW, it just gets “progressively” worse with time to the point of violent behavior. We’ve all seen it over and over again in the news. Society used to protect itself by keeping these morons locked up in state mental institutions. Once this is realized, the solution will be realized. Unfortunately, there are not enough padded cells for all of them. If something isn’t done to keep them under control, they will get us all killed.


45 posted on 10/12/2012 11:19:39 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: lgjhn23

they will get us all killed.

Or the other way around.


46 posted on 10/12/2012 11:24:41 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: pburgh01

“...Be nice when the call for the election for Romney...”

I’ll look at it more on the line of putting down a rabid dog: nothing really to laugh or shout about, but just glad it’s over and gone. However, I might go out in the backyard and do a “happy dance”... :)


47 posted on 10/12/2012 11:25:23 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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