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No, Joe! U.S Catholic Bishops Say Biden Spoke Falsely
CNS News ^ | 10/12/2012 | By Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 10/12/2012 2:13:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has issued a statement saying that Vice President Joe Biden’s assertion in Thursday night’s debate that Obamacare’s sterilization-contraception-abortifacient regulation does not apply to Catholic and other religious institutions is not true.

“This is not a fact,” the bishops said of Biden’s claim.

"With regard to the assault on the Catholic Church, let me make it absolutely clear,” Biden said in the debate. “No religious institution—Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital—none has to either refer for contraception. None has to pay for contraception. None has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact. That is a fact."

Not so, said the bishops.

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“This is not a fact,” said a statement issued by the U.S.C.C.B on Friday. “The HHS mandate contains a narrow, four-part exemption for certain ‘religious employers.’ That exemption was made final in February and does not extend to ‘Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital,’ or any other religious charity that offers its services to all, regardless of the faith of those served.

“HHS has proposed an additional ‘accommodation’ for religious organizations like these, which HHS itself describes as ‘non-exempt,’” said the U.S.C.C.B. “That proposal does not even potentially relieve these organizations from the obligation ‘to pay for contraception’ and ‘to be a vehicle to get contraception.’ They will have to serve as a vehicle, because they will still be forced to provide their employees with health coverage, and that coverage will still have to include sterilization, contraception, and abortifacients. They will have to pay for these things, because the premiums that the organizations (and their employees) are required to pay will still be applied, along with other funds, to cover the cost of these drugs and surgeries.”

On June 14, the Catholic bishops of the United States unanimously approved a statement declaring the Obamacare regulation an “unjust and illegal mandate.”

In this unanimous statement, the bishops made clear that the Obamacare regulation not only violates the rights of Catholic institutions but also the rights of Catholic business owners and individual Catholic lay persons, whom the regulation would force to act against their consciences.

“The HHS mandate creates still a third class, those with no conscience protection at all: individuals who, in their daily lives, strive constantly to act in accordance with their faith and moral values,” said the unanimous bishops. “They, too, face a government mandate to aid in providing "services" contrary to those values—whether in their sponsoring of, and payment for, insurance as employers; their payment of insurance premiums as employees; or as insurers themselves—without even the semblance of an exemption. This, too, is unprecedented in federal law, which has long been generous in protecting the rights of individuals not to act against their religious beliefs or moral convictions. We have consistently supported these rights, particularly in the area of protecting the dignity of all human life, and we continue to do so.”

In August, the National Catholic Bioethics Center issued an analysis saying that Catholics who own private businesses cannot morally obey the regulation and should be prepared to drop all insurance coverage of their employees by no later than Jan. 1, 2014--when Obamacare comes into full force.

“Dropping all coverage appears to be the most morally sound approach,” said the analysis,

“The ethicists of The National Catholic Bioethics Center believe that temporary compliance with the mandate, coupled with active opposition by all reasonable and legal means available, is a morally tolerable option only as a last resort, provided that this compliance ends once the insurance exchanges are available to employees in 2014,” said the analysis.

Citing Pope John Paul II's encyclical letter Evangelium Vitae, the Catholic ethicists further said that Catholics have a moral duty to resist the Obamacare regulation.

“Most importantly, we are impelled to recall the distinct moral obligation of all persons of conscience, and especially Catholics, to resist unjust laws,” they said. “This duty was outlined explicitly by our Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae: ‘There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. ... In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, ... it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‘take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law, or vote for it.’”

In Thursday night’s debate, Vice President Biden called himself a practicing Catholic and said that his life had been defined by his Catholic faith.

“My religion defines who I am, and I have been a practicing Catholic my whole life,” said Biden. “And it has particularly informed my social doctrine. Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; catholicchurch; cluelessjoe; contraception; lie
Paul Ryan had perhaps the question of the night when he challenged pro-abortion Vice President Joe Biden on the issue of the HHS mandate that compels them to pay for abortion-causing drugs.

During the debate, Ryan brought up the controversial mandate that pro-life groups oppose.

“What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals,” he explained. “Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties.”

Paul Ryan said to Biden: "If You're Protecting Catholics, Why Are They Suing You?"

Somehow, the impact of that statement was diminished because the moderator and Biden kept interrupting Ryan.

1 posted on 10/12/2012 2:13:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

As bad as this is, the one that still truly boggles my mind is Nancy Pelosi saying that her pro-abortion and pro-contraception stance is a fundamental part of her Catholic faith.

Whhhaaaaaaattt?


2 posted on 10/12/2012 2:18:24 PM PDT by verum ago (Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: SeekAndFind
On June 14, the Catholic bishops of the United States unanimously approved a statement declaring the Obamacare regulation an “unjust and illegal mandate.”

Has anyone found ANYTHING Biden didn't lie about? Was there even ONE truthful comment that came out of his mouth?

3 posted on 10/12/2012 2:18:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: verum ago
As bad as this is, the one that still truly boggles my mind is Nancy Pelosi saying that her pro-abortion and pro-contraception stance is a fundamental part of her Catholic faith.

Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so the clergy must be in agreement. Silence means consent.

4 posted on 10/12/2012 2:23:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: verum ago
HER catholic faith, as opposed to the CHURCH'S Catholic Faith.
5 posted on 10/12/2012 2:24:20 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1361 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: SeekAndFind

BUMP


6 posted on 10/12/2012 2:27:34 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: SeekAndFind
Say Joe, whaddya know? David and Joe, "A.I." Pictures, Images and Photos We're just robots, so whatever the Democratic party programmed us to know.
7 posted on 10/12/2012 2:35:16 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Jeff Chandler; verum ago; NYer
As bad as this is, the one that still truly boggles my mind is Nancy Pelosi saying that her pro-abortion and pro-contraception stance is a fundamental part of her Catholic faith.

Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so the clergy must be in agreement.

"The clergy" can't formally excommunicate her - only her bishop can.

8 posted on 10/12/2012 2:39:56 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so the bishops must be in agreement.


9 posted on 10/12/2012 2:43:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"The clergy" can't formally excommunicate her - only her bishop can.

Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so the bishops must be in agreement.

"The bishops" can't formally excommunicate her - only her bishop can.

10 posted on 10/12/2012 2:50:59 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is time for Joe to go to confession Lying is a sin.


11 posted on 10/12/2012 2:55:17 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: SeekAndFind

US Catholic Bishops to Joe Biden: “Malarkey.”


12 posted on 10/12/2012 2:56:02 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: GOPJ

Has anyone found ANYTHING Biden didn’t lie about? Was there even ONE truthful comment that came out of his mouth?


Thinking about all of this I have come to the conclusion that Joe doesn’t
Consider he is lying as he doesn’t understand what he is talking about.

Therefore he can say anything he wants to and not even remotely worry about credibility


13 posted on 10/12/2012 2:56:32 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so her bishop must be in agreement.

As were Ted Kennedy’s, as is Joe Biden’s, as is John Kerry’s, etc. etc. etc.

Promote abortion, receive Communion.

As long as this continues, the Bishops have no credibility on the subject. They can say they disapprove, (they usually don’t say anything), but talk is cheap.

Three generations of being MIA on catechesis, or even mal-catechesis has brought us to the point where most Catholics think contraception, abortion, and homosexuality are fine, and the real sins are capitalism and the existence of international borders.


14 posted on 10/12/2012 3:00:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: GOPJ
Has anyone found ANYTHING Biden didn't lie about? Was there even ONE truthful comment that came out of his mouth?

Just about anything that he said that can be fact checked is likely a lie.

15 posted on 10/12/2012 3:04:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: verum ago

That is because leftists make crap up as they go along. And yes, even their “fundamental faith” is made up on the spot, depending upon what their leftist agenda calls for. Nothing they say can be counted on as even remotely resembling the truth.


16 posted on 10/12/2012 3:39:03 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Biden is just a serial liar. His lips move, he is lying or using someone else’s material which he uses as his own. The guy is simply scum. Something that grows on the underside of pig poop.


17 posted on 10/12/2012 3:41:10 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Scriptures clearly tell us we are in the last days, the end times. Christ is the only answer!)
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To: patriotspride
I have come to the conclusion that Joe doesn’t consider he is lying as he doesn’t understand what he is talking about. Therefore he can say anything he wants to and not even remotely worry about credibility...

LOL - it would be funnier if Biden wasn't a heartbeat away from the Presidency...

18 posted on 10/12/2012 6:04:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: GOPJ

President Lord Haw-Haw. Mr. Whatmeworry.

Idiotic still has to beat evil. An idiot might get something right by chance. Evil will purposely get everything wrong.


19 posted on 10/12/2012 6:05:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Jeff Chandler
Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so the clergy must be in agreement.

"The clergy" can't formally excommunicate her - only her bishop can.

Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so the bishops must be in agreement.

"The bishops" can't formally excommunicate her - only her bishop can.

Well, she is still in communion with the Church, so her bishop must be in agreement.

Well, we've finally whittled down your claim to a defensible one. Her previous bishop (I believe she has a new one now) certainly had plenty of time to follow the steps in Matthew 18:15-18 - so his failure to either mend her ways or excommunicate her is unquestionably scandalous (ditto for every longserving bishop of a pro-abort pol). I chalk it up to cowardice rather than agreement - but it's no less a grievous dereliction of duty.

talk is cheap.

Three generations of being MIA on catechesis, or even mal-catechesis

Amen to that.

20 posted on 10/15/2012 8:51:22 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
On a positive note . . .
21 posted on 10/15/2012 9:18:13 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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