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The Christian Exodus From Egypt. For Copts, a dictator was preferable to the Islamist mob.
Wall Street Journal ^ | 10/12/2012 | By SAMUEL TADROS

Posted on 10/12/2012 2:17:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Visit any Coptic church in the United States and you immediately recognize the newcomers. You see it in their eyes, hear it in their broken English, sense it in how they cling to the church in search of the familiar. They have come here escaping a place they used to call home, where their ancestors had lived for centuries.

Waves of Copts have come here from Egypt before, to escape Gamal Abdel Nasser's nationalizations or the growing Islamist tide. Their country's transformation wasn't sudden, but every year brought more public Islamization. As the veil spread, Coptic women felt increasingly different, alien and marked. Verbal abuse came from schoolteachers, bystanders in the bus station who noticed the cross on a wrist, or commentators on state television.

But life was generally bearable. Hosni Mubarak crushed the Islamist insurgency of the 1980s and '90s. He was no friend to the Copts, but neither was he foe. His police often turned a blind eye when Coptic homes and shops were attacked by mobs, and the courts never punished the perpetrators—but the president wasn't an Islamist. He even interfered sometimes to give permission to build a church, or to make Christmas a national holiday.

To be sure, Copts were excluded from high government positions. There were no Coptic governors, intelligence officers, deans of schools, or CEOs of government companies. Until 2005, Copts needed presidential approval to build a new church or even build a bathroom in an existing one. Even with approval, state security often blocked construction, citing security concerns.

Those concerns were often real. Mobs could mobilize against Copts with the slightest incitement—rumor of a romantic relationship between a Christian man and a Muslim woman, a church being built, reports of a Christian having insulted Islam.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ayers; codepink; copticchristians; copts; dohrn; egypt; flee; islam; mohammedmorsi; morsi; muslimbrotherhood; muslimworld; obama; persecution; waronterror

1 posted on 10/12/2012 2:18:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
For Copts all non-muslims*, a dictator was preferable to the Islamist mob.

*and sometimes members of a different Islamic sect than the one dominating the mob, too.
2 posted on 10/12/2012 2:32:55 PM PDT by verum ago (Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another group of immigrants to the USA. This one persecuted Christians from the Middle East.
I welcome a tide of new people who will follow in the TRADITIONAL record of the past. People actually THANKFUL to be here. People who will want their children educated as (gasp) Americans. I sense a people who will strive to learn the ENGLISH language as well as American customs. Jobs will be sought, businesses started and jobs created.
I bet these will be people who remember their past, but find joy in their new conditions.
The USA welcomed MY grandparents and it will welcome these newcomers. Both will be better for their coming.

3 posted on 10/12/2012 2:34:22 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

These people speak Arabic, understand the Arab culture,
and are anti-Islam.

They are invaluable assets.

4 posted on 10/12/2012 2:48:36 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: SeekAndFind

The same can be said about Iraq and Syria.

The Saddam Husseins and Bashars are always preferable over any member of the muslim brotherhood.

Realize it folks, islamic countries cannot function without dictators to keep a semblance of order. We’re not dealing with reasonable people — we’re dealing with muslims, for crying out loud.

5 posted on 10/12/2012 3:20:39 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: CondorFlight

Elect them for Congress.

6 posted on 10/12/2012 3:22:25 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Danish psychologist Nicolai Sennels studies the effects of Islamist inbreeding:

"If there are two things that characterize Islamic culture, they are terrorism and inbreeding. The latest research shows that these two things might be closely connected . . . First cousin marriages have been the tradition in many Muslim families for innumerable generations. Such marriages increase the risk of negative mental and physical consequences . . . Risk of mental retardation increases with 400 percent (Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, 1978 “Effect of inbreeding on IQ and mental retardation”). Research shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from blood related parents and that abilities related to social behavior and empathy develops slower in inbred babies (Indian National Science Academy, 1983 “Consanguinity Effects on Intelligence Quotient and Neonatal Behaviours of nsari Muslim Children” [pdf]). Such facts might make several pieces fall into place for many people . . . People with low intelligence (because of inbreeding) might also be easier to brainwash with fundamentalist Islam. "

My emphasis.

The West especially the United States, more than 100 years ago, moved to ban such inbreeding due to "fear that American society might degenerate."

More from Inbreeding – Cousin marriages and health disorders

In 1846 the Governor of Massachusetts appointed a commission to study "idiots" in the state which implicated cousin marriage as being responsible for idiocy. Within the next two decades numerous reports appeared coming to similar conclusions, including for example by the Kentucky Deaf and Dumb Asylum, which concluded that cousin marriage resulted in deafness, blindness, and idiocy. Perhaps most important was the report of physician S.M. Bemiss for the American Medical Association, which concluded "that multiplication of the same blood by in-and-in marrying does incontestably lead in the aggregate to the physical and mental depravation of the offspring."

That was from over 100 years ago. Today modern medicine confirms the findings.. to the extent that even some Islamist prospective married couples undergo advanced genetic screening first.

7 posted on 10/12/2012 5:16:52 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: CondorFlight

“These people speak Arabic, understand the Arab culture,
and are anti-Islam.”

Agree. These are CLASS people. I know one. Being a FReeper, I’m about the only non-Copt that understand the Brotherhood (long before they got power, too). He adores for that. He cannot believe how blind Americans are to the threat.

8 posted on 10/12/2012 6:09:08 PM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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