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Germany's wind power chaos should be a warning to the UK (and the U.S. and other Western nations)
www.telegraph.co.uk ^ | 09/12/12 | Christopher Booker

Posted on 10/12/2012 7:45:56 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady

In fact, a mighty battle is now developing in Germany between green fantasists and practical realists. Because renewable energy must by law have priority in supplying the grid, the owners of conventional power stations, finding they have to run plants unprofitably, are so angry that they are threatening to close many of them down. The government response, astonishingly, has been to propose a new law forcing them to continue running their plants at a loss.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: germany; government; sourcetitlenoturl; uk; windpower
I just saw Atlas Shrugged II and the body of this article sounds like it is written directly by Ayn Rand. Unfortunately, this is real, and this is now.
1 posted on 10/12/2012 7:46:01 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: Wisconsinlady

Spain’s green disaster should have been the rotting corpse of the canary in the coalmine.


2 posted on 10/12/2012 7:51:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Wisconsinlady
follow the money.....in my state and neighboring states, they have been putting up those ugly horizon killing wind mills everywhere...half the time, they're not running....

but follow the money....someone is making out bigtime...

sort of like the roundabouts they keep putting up in every little dinky corner just because they want to show us who's boss..

3 posted on 10/12/2012 7:51:36 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Wisconsinlady
Has ALREADY happened in Idaho. Classical definition of fascism.

Federal Regulator: Idaho Power Must Buy Wind Power

SEPTEMBER 21, 2012
ASSOCIATED PRESS

Idaho Power’s long-term purchase agreement with wind farms requires the utility to buy electricity from the farms even when demand for power is low, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission said Thursday.

Idaho Power officials have contended that the Public Utilities Regulatory Policies Act, or PURPA, should allow the company to halt contractually required electricity purchases during periods of light load, such as at night in the spring and fall.

The utility company said the requirement to buy from wind farms even during times of low demand forces it to back down other energy generators like coal-fired plants, and bringing the other systems back up when demand increases costs the utility more. Those costs are passed on to consumers, the company said.

4 posted on 10/12/2012 7:51:40 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: cherry

I HATE the visual blight of these monstrosities. The are all over the beautiful Coastal Range in California where I live. Our gorgeous Coachella Valley is ruined. We visited my Uncle in Twin Falls, ID over Labor Day and the foreign companies are totally despoiling the vistas from Boise to Twin. We went to a wedding in Iowa last year and the cornfields from Des Moines to Cedar Rapids are filled with these ugly things.

The green kooks have the upper hand and are RUINING our once-beautiful nation with these ridiculous money-losers. When the subsidies eventually run out, they will all fail and rust in place, too. There are no bonds posted to tear the damn things down and restore the once-beautiful land, either, unlike surface mines. What a disaster — all caused by God damned government.


5 posted on 10/12/2012 7:57:27 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Wisconsinlady

This read just like “Directive 10-289” from Atlas Shrugged. gives me the chills to see how far we have allowed the givernment to control us. When will we all collective say enough is enough?


6 posted on 10/12/2012 8:02:26 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


7 posted on 10/12/2012 8:04:21 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: GeronL

Ping.


8 posted on 10/12/2012 8:08:43 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Wisconsinlady
I just saw Atlas Shrugged II and the body of this article sounds like it is written directly by Ayn Rand.

Too bad we don't have Ragnar Danneskjöld capturing the IMF bail out money bound for Europe.

9 posted on 10/12/2012 8:17:49 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Check my tagline. It appeared on a sign carried by a demonstrator in the movie.


10 posted on 10/12/2012 8:19:14 PM PDT by Publius (Will comply with 10-289 for food.)
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To: cherry

Having lived in Germany for sixteen years...I can offer this analysis of the wind-power stuff.

First, you put wind-mills up in clusters....preferably where wind is documented to occur at least 250 days out of the year. I used to pass by three wind-mills on the way to work and coming home. I’d say that thirty percent of the time...the wind-mills were stationary or barely moving. The rest of the time...for twenty-four hours a day....they did rotate.

Second, every year....there’s at least a thousand wind-mills put up. Typically, it’s paid and run by a investment group, which you as a investor gets into....mostly because of such few tax credits that exist in the German system (you can deduct your investment from the taxes you pay). Your hope here...is maybe in a decade...power rates reach a point where you actually turn three and four percent return on your investment...which today might be lucky to pay you back between one and two percent a year.

Third, the experts can accurately predict that wind will be minimum at various times of the year....which means that you need a back-up system online....to suddenly come up and provide power. You can never dump coal or nuke energy entirely (no, they never explain this part of the story).

Fourth, the noise hum is now something pops up and no town will allow a wind-mill within two or three miles of city limits. Farmers aren’t happy because they don’t want them near their cows.


11 posted on 10/12/2012 8:22:45 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Wisconsinlady
I believe Germany has some familiarity with the concept of "private ownership but public control"... nicht wahr?
12 posted on 10/12/2012 8:23:14 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Wisconsinlady

The watermelons are going to end up killing a lot of people which is fine with them and the ultimate goal of the global warming agenda.

It’s cold in Germany and without heat, carbon generated by human beings will be reduced.


13 posted on 10/12/2012 8:58:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Wisconsinlady
The government response, astonishingly, has been to propose a new law forcing them to continue running their plants at a loss.

Otherwise known as slavery.

This could actually be good for the US...as the cost of their electrical power goes through the roof, so does the cost of their manufactured goods....we become much more competitive. Of course, this assumes a Romney administration that is not trying to do the same thing the German Greens are trying to do.
14 posted on 10/12/2012 9:06:19 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
When the subsidies eventually run out, they will all fail and rust in place, too.

As of yet, no wind farm has survived the expiration of its federal subsidy. Like clockwork, at the 25-yr mark, the windmills are shut down...and abandoned.

15 posted on 10/12/2012 9:10:12 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I remember that.
I parodied it.

http://asspos.blogspot.com/2012/09/ferc-ruling-aids-family-wind-farms.html


16 posted on 10/12/2012 9:15:03 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Wisconsinlady

So... If the owners of the conventional plants are required by law to operate at a loss, I wonder how long it is until they run out of money for fuel?


17 posted on 10/12/2012 9:47:51 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: pepsionice

I’m anxiously awaiting the next sensible stages:
5: We declare the whole wind energy scam to be the boondoggle it really is.
6: Order them all torn down and the land restored to its pristine condition.
7. New coal and nuke plants built in their place.
8. The politicians who created and endorsed this expensive and useless crap are all throw in jail with life sentences.


18 posted on 10/13/2012 4:28:50 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: GeronL

Nice.


19 posted on 10/13/2012 4:34:02 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Wisconsinlady
developing in Germany between green fantasists and practical realists. Greenies are facist left wingers who in America vote democrat, practical realists are known in America as reasonable conservatives. The left is now as neo-nazi as the socialist nazis of Germany were when the monster Hitler came into power. And the Jewish and Gentile body of Christ is the true church who follow the Word of God and who will be persected by the neo nazi left wing facists most fervently because of our faith in Christ Jesus as Lord and Saviour and God the Father as the God of Israel. Psalm 2 1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vaine thing? 2 The Kings of the earth set themselues, and the rulers take counsell together, against the Lord, and against his Anoynted, saying, 3 Let vs breake their bandes asunder, and cast away their cords from vs. 4 Hee that sitteth in the heauens shal laugh: the Lord shall haue them in derision. 5 Then shall hee speake vnto them in his wrath, and vexe them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet haue I set my King vpon my holy hill of Sion. 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said vnto mee, Thou art my sonne, this day haue I begotten thee. 8 Aske of me, and I shall giue thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the vttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt breake them with a rod of iron, thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potters vessell. 10 Bee wise now therefore, O yee Kings: be instructed ye Iudges of the earth. 11 Serue the Lord with feare, and reioyce with trembling. 12 Kisse the Sonne lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little: Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
20 posted on 10/13/2012 6:28:37 AM PDT by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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To: Wisconsinlady


21 posted on 10/13/2012 7:57:51 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni
Like your tagline.

Looting the future to bribe the present...

22 posted on 10/14/2012 7:32:44 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

The more a country depends on such sources of energy, the more there will arise – as Germany is discovering – two massive technical problems. One is that it becomes incredibly difficult to maintain a consistent supply of power to the grid, when that wildly fluctuating renewable output has to be balanced by input from conventional power stations. The other is that, to keep that back-up constantly available can require fossil-fuel power plants to run much of the time very inefficiently and expensively (incidentally chucking out so much more “carbon” than normal that it negates any supposed CO2 savings from the wind).


23 posted on 10/14/2012 7:38:04 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

6 A: Melt them down & build more Navy ships.


24 posted on 10/14/2012 9:11:02 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: okie01; ProtectOurFreedom
There are lots of them abandoned out there. They look like hell, just piles of rusting junk:

These are in CA. There are others on Hawaii, near South Point. Totally uneconomical, even in one of the windiest places around.

Unlike the nuclear industry, there are no laws that mandate that wind farm owners clean up their abandoned sites. It never ceases to amaze me that the environmentalist wackos continually hammer the nuclear industry about it's "waste", when it is the one industry that plans ahead and saves money to deal with it's facilities when they are finally retired. It is the only industry that is required to manage it's waste in a responsible manner, yet they are continually berated for it. Time to "shrug".

25 posted on 10/14/2012 9:28:30 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera
The fact that no wind farm outlives its federal subsidy is living proof that "Green energy" is just another scheme designed to take advantage of federal taxpayers.

At the same time, "Green energy" is just one more distortion in the free market created by government intervention. And we pay for that, too, in higher energy bills.

If ever there was an argument for greater accountability from our politicians -- and the bureaucratic monster that is "our government" -- it is "Green Energy".

26 posted on 10/14/2012 9:46:09 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: chimera

There are lots of them abandoned out there. They look like hell, just piles of rusting junk
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A picture is worth a thousand words.

Kind of reminiscent of CA in late 50’s/early 60’s with the ‘one armed’ oil wells visible for miles - the other most ‘memorable’ pic stuck in my head is of the area of Secaucus NJ back in late 50’s....real dreary looking, if memory (swiftly failing) is correct. Oh, yes, and the smell of the rotting pig shite...Maybe that is why the Muzzies didn’t hang around NYC/NJ ‘back in the day’????


27 posted on 10/14/2012 10:00:36 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: chimera

All surface mining operations have to post bonds for site reclamation after mining is completed. That started around 1970. It is amazing that the enviro kooks who go bonkers over the sight of a SINGLE offshore rig in the ocean embrace these monstrosities. Consistency is not one of their strong suits.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 2:32:54 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: okie01
At the same time, "Green energy" is just one more distortion in the free market created by government intervention. And we pay for that, too, in higher energy bills.

It is the only energy source I know of that is mandated by law that people have to buy. After all the controversy about Obamacare's mandate to purchase, well, "Green Energy" has that beat. I know of no similar laws that say that utilities must purchase power from nuclear plants, or coal plants, or gas-burning plants. Those have to compete in the marketplace. "Green energy" is the only one that gets exempted from competition. And there's a reason for that. It's because it can't compete. Without legal mandates to purchase and outrageous tax breaks that no other industry gets, it goes under.

29 posted on 10/14/2012 2:45:41 PM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera
Without legal mandates to purchase and outrageous tax breaks that no other industry gets, [Green energy] goes under.

And what is the reason for this kind of government coercion?

I can think of only two:

1. Corruption -- rewarding cronies with taxpayer money for investing in and producing so-called "Green energy".

2. Stupidity -- believing that "green energy" is a good thing because, otherwise, we are all doomed by the AGW Hoax.

Accordingly, a Congressman who votes for subsidies and mandates for "green energy" is, by definition, either a crook or a dolt.

30 posted on 10/14/2012 3:19:39 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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