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Romney tries to bury Obama in ads
Washington Post ^ | October 12, 2012 | Dan Eggen and T.W. Farnam,

Posted on 10/12/2012 9:08:40 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

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1 posted on 10/12/2012 9:08:46 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Hmmmmm, looks like the “carpet bombing” has the WaPo a little worried. What they are seeing is true leadership in action. Hahahaha


2 posted on 10/12/2012 9:11:20 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Jet Jaguar

Seems reasonable as the campaigns are WAY too long (by years) and many don’t decide until they are in the booth.


3 posted on 10/12/2012 9:11:42 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jet Jaguar

Obama needs to spend more money trying to win Arizona... his supporter tell me it’s “in play” so he can blow his wad there instead of swing states like Florida. bwahahaha.


4 posted on 10/12/2012 9:13:30 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Romney and well-funded allies.

(Not to be confused with Barry the muslim and his allies from overseas who are ILLEGALLY contributing millions and millions.)

5 posted on 10/12/2012 9:14:08 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Typical Post. LOL

What the heck is “high risk” about airing a lot of ads?

Maybe they mean it was risky to hold off the big guns until now? But Mitt’s leading the polls and carpet-bombing with ads now has little downside, aside from overall voter fatigue with the volume of ads, But that goes for both sides.


6 posted on 10/12/2012 9:17:01 PM PDT by Kingosaurus
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To: Jet Jaguar

Where were these jerkwads last month when Obama was running ads in the college football games every five minutes?


7 posted on 10/12/2012 9:17:28 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Jet Jaguar

Are we seeing Shock and Awe in action here?


8 posted on 10/12/2012 9:19:22 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Jet Jaguar
The question still comes down to how many have all ready voted. Absentee votes in places like Colorado will decide who wins the Presidential race and its likely the majority will have been already cast by the time the ad buy kicks in.

Candidates spending millions to get votes that have already been cast may be the obituary of this election season..

9 posted on 10/12/2012 9:20:44 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blamed Flamed Shamed didn't vote for R/R or O/B)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I have to say, I was wrong about Romney. This campaign stayed patient and didn’t panic. The leadership Romney has show THROUGH his campaign (since before the primaries) has been nothing but impressive. He has won me over with his actions and deeds. I doubt he is the total conservative that would be my ideal President, but we need a leader, even if I won’t agree with him on every issue.


10 posted on 10/12/2012 9:20:55 PM PDT by shreve884
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To: Luke21

What’s really sad is the number of people whose votes can be swayed by 30 second tv commercials


11 posted on 10/12/2012 9:24:32 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Jet Jaguar

When I was studying politics, I think the assertion was that the average voter needed to see your ad 8 times in the previous week in order to vote for you. Saturation sticks your name and sound bite into their minds.


12 posted on 10/12/2012 9:25:58 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008BAL1OK/)
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To: Jet Jaguar

They forgot to mention Joe Biden’s dynamic debate performance!


13 posted on 10/12/2012 9:26:04 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: montanajoe

It’s not Colorado, but look at the absentee ballot requests on Ohio. They are very telling. The democrat requests are way down. The Republican requests are way up.


14 posted on 10/12/2012 9:27:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

This was Jerry Brown’s strategy in California when he beat multi-millionaire Meg Whitman.

She basically spent $150 million of her own money over a long campaign season and Jerry waited until the last month and he won.


15 posted on 10/12/2012 9:27:41 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Arthurio

Romney’s strategy from the start was to dropkick Obama at the end. The only pitfalls now (barring an October surprise) would be the next two debates.


16 posted on 10/12/2012 9:27:45 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: shreve884

yep, my thoughts exactly.

It’s time for the grown ups to take back the wheel from the affirmative action idiot that nearly blew up the entire world in a few short years.


17 posted on 10/12/2012 9:28:29 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Viennacon

I think the next debate is really the last oe that will matter. It is town hall - definite wild card right there. Third debate is foreign policy only. People will sleep through that one.


18 posted on 10/12/2012 9:30:52 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Jet Jaguar

Romney’s strategy is to let you come, challenge him, and then deliver a vastly intensified licking toward the end, it’s how he campaigned for governor of Massachusetts, and it’s also how he’s doing it now. Frankly, I have my disagreements, but now is less about finding some ideal candidate for every issue as opposed to one who is competitive, which we frankly really need right now in this highly partisan, smear-happy atmosphere.


19 posted on 10/12/2012 9:32:50 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Jet Jaguar
I agree Ohio may be a different story, but assuming that all states are the same is a mistake. Absentee voting is very popular in the Intermountain West. I saw somewhere that 40% of the ballots in Colorado are absentee. I've already voted and I think I'm not alone, putting all your eggs in a two to three week buy before the election seems so 2008 to me...
20 posted on 10/12/2012 9:36:02 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blamed Flamed Shamed didn't vote for R/R or O/B)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“It’s not Colorado, but look at the absentee ballot requests on Ohio. They are very telling. The democrat requests are way down. The Republican requests are way up.”

As a matter of fact, that is very telling of two things,
1) The Democrats must be rediculously desperate at this point given that the absentee ballots are lower than ‘08, and more favorable toward GOP than before, and 2) The superstitious idea that Ohio is the tipping point in the election may be a little far-fetched. I would think Florida, especially given the population demographics would lean less into the hardcore conservative and closer to center.


21 posted on 10/12/2012 9:36:25 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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Team Romney is proving to be pitch perfect. For all the hand wringing, they really did have the plan all along.

Boy this is so refreshing compared to 2008.


22 posted on 10/12/2012 9:37:00 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: BillyBoy

Arizona isn’t “in play” anymore. Most of the illegal aliens left and went to Caulifonya.


23 posted on 10/12/2012 9:37:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Algore. It was attitude, NOT altitude.)
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To: radpolis
She basically spent $150 million of her own money over a long campaign season and Jerry waited until the last month and he won.

Jerry Brown learned from his sister to make sure you have money left at the end of the campaign.

Later, when [Kathleen] Brown ran out of money and had to pull her advertising the weekend before Election Day, a senior Democrat pointed back to the summer spent trying to best Wilson on crime as part of the problem.

"She was on the air all summer, with no movement," the Democrat said. "She was flat-lining. She could have taken (the money that paid for) two weeks of July and two weeks of August and socked it away."

24 posted on 10/12/2012 9:37:49 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: montanajoe; LS

Have you researched the break down of absentee request in Colorado? I have not.

I am curious if it is available.


25 posted on 10/12/2012 9:38:29 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: Arthurio
What’s really sad is the number of people whose votes can be swayed by 30 second tv commercials

Unlike the average Freeper (who's a political junkie), most people have lives. I don't blame them.

26 posted on 10/12/2012 9:39:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Viennacon
The only pitfalls now (barring an October surprise) would be the next two debates.

The potential of an October surprise is why you need large sums of money at the end, as insurance to cancel it out with wall-to-wall attack ads.

27 posted on 10/12/2012 9:42:50 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: shreve884

Best Tactic:

One week before election; Romney campaign should open its books and show where their money came from and what they spent it on: challenge Obama to do same. I truly beleive that these guys are actually as squeaky clean as they appear; because they realize the moral magnitude of their task and charge.


28 posted on 10/12/2012 9:50:30 PM PDT by bakeneko
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To: Viennacon

A lot canhappen in the next few weeks. I’m not counting out an October surprise. In fact, I’m expecting it. And the next two debates. I hope Romney can keep up the momentum.


29 posted on 10/12/2012 9:50:41 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Parley Baer

all a crock. they say this so obama’s huge rush of ads that will dwarf romney’s ca have cover of being a response move to romney’s ads.


30 posted on 10/12/2012 9:53:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The time to say the Romney campaign had a high risk strategy was back in the summer, when it wasn’t very clear if Romney would be buried by Obama’s barrage of negative ads by the time October rolled around, and end up behind in the polls by double digits. Mid-October has rolled around and Romney is dead even with Obama. It’s clear that the gamble has paid off. If Romney doesn’t spend his campaign money *before* the elections, when is he going to spend it? This isn’t a high-risk strategy - it’s the sprint to the finish line during which he will find out whether his relative lack of charisma vis-a-vis Obama can be made up with campaign ads. This is the year we find out if McCain could have won if he hadn’t been outspent 3 to 1 by Obama.


31 posted on 10/12/2012 9:57:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I hope they add Ohio to their carpet bombing plan.


32 posted on 10/12/2012 9:57:40 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Jet Jaguar
There was a post a few days ago as of Oct 10 it was about was GOP 657k and Dims 646k. Colorado had 1.7 million absentee votes in 2008 and about 3.2 million voted. Thats just from the election statistics.. also in 2008 early voting there started Oct 19th not Oct 9 as this year.

As I say a strategy based on 2008 isn't going to work very well in 2012 in the West...

33 posted on 10/12/2012 9:58:03 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blamed Flamed Shamed didn't vote for R/R or O/B)
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To: montanajoe; LS

Copy that.


34 posted on 10/12/2012 10:01:01 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: murron

They’re testing the water with these two false-flags.

- The racist T-Shirt over at Asocialist Press
- The window supposedly shot by magic bullet at Obama HQ

They’re seeing how much smear they can get away with.


35 posted on 10/12/2012 10:11:27 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Arthurio
Third debate is foreign policy only. People will sleep through that one.

Maybe. The Libya coverup issue is growing and growing. People in general, not just conservatives, don't like being blatantly lied to on matters like this.

36 posted on 10/12/2012 10:12:53 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Jet Jaguar

This was indeed very high risk - the debate result however makes it much, much more effective. It was not known at the time that this would be the atmosphere for this strategy to have its final phases implemented.


37 posted on 10/12/2012 10:42:45 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Kingosaurus

Yep, no risk in spending late.

The risk is in spending early, but the theory is/was to define your opponent and he can never overcome it.

It was a natural strategy for Obama - his campaign reduces to “yeah but the other guy would be even worse.”

Who knows which is right in any given race. The old saw in politics is: “If you win, everything you did was right; if you lose everything you did was wrong.”

It still ain’t a mature science.


38 posted on 10/12/2012 10:43:53 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Zhang Fei

You can blame a LOT of Obama’s wasted efforts on the DailyKos/MediaMatters mantra of WINNING EACH AND EVERY NEWS CYCLE..

The cnventional liberla nutjob/Alinsky mantra being to define your opponent, before he gets a chance to define himself. Unfortunately, that got blown up by 68 million people watching a likely-stoned Obama epic-fail his way through the debate.


39 posted on 10/12/2012 10:47:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
>> Arizona isn’t “in play” anymore. Most of the illegal aliens left and went to Caulifonya. <<

I know. But the dummycrats I talk to still think they're gonna win it, despite the fact Romney is polling better in AZ than McCain did in 2008 (and it's McCain's home state!)

I hope they waste lots of resources in their futile quest to win it.

40 posted on 10/12/2012 10:56:35 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Kingosaurus

I think they referred to the holding off the big gun. It is a high risk strategy that I hope will pay off handsomely. So many Freepers complained about the strategy over the summer, especially right after the DNC. Romney seems to know what he’s doing.


41 posted on 10/12/2012 11:02:09 PM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: BillyBoy

The GOPers have finally started hitting back with the campaign ads. I thought they were never going to get around to it. Even Joe Arpaio is running ads. They are all tying their opponents to Barry Soetoro.


42 posted on 10/12/2012 11:03:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Algore. It was attitude, NOT altitude.)
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To: montanajoe

I wouldn’t be concerned about absentee ballots. Those who already cast their votes in the first couple weeks of the absentee ballot periods are the ones who have set their mind on certain candidate. No amount of ads would change their votes. Now, the possible fraud regarding the absentee ballots, that’s a different issue.


43 posted on 10/12/2012 11:05:11 PM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: paudio
In the West, Colorado being an prime example, the absentee votes will likely determine the outcome even before the first vote is cast on Nov 6 and the trend is for even more absentee balloting in the future.

Candidates who don't pick up on that trend will lose..

44 posted on 10/12/2012 11:21:15 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blamed Flamed Shamed didn't vote for R/R or O/B)
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To: montanajoe

You seem to set your mind on spreading anxiety among Romney supporters. Why would you want to do that to a candidate you will not vote for, anyway? After all, primaries have passed long time ago. Ron Paul already said he won’t support Romney. Romney’s campaign has decided their strategy and this is mid October. Just wait until after the election to see whether you’re right (and hence, earn the right of ‘I told you so’) or that Romney’s people actually know better than you do.


45 posted on 10/12/2012 11:29:55 PM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: montanajoe

I’m a little disappointed you didn’t read my post on Colorado from two days ago...

2008: Obama-1.29 million votes (53.7%)
McCain-1.07 million votes (44.7%)
1.7 million votes were early/absentee votes in 2008. Most of this was absentee. For all the early voters in 2008, dems constituted 37.7% and repubs constituted 35.9%.

2012: Repubs have requested 656,813 ballots
Dems have requested 627,064 ballots

We have an abolute lead of about 30,000 in ballot requests. Plus add in the independent requests (don’t have that number) and we are quickly approaching total turnout for 08 and probably past all the early voting for 08. I need the number of unaffiliated requests to confirm this.

As of 10/1/12, there were 871,000 registered republicans and 807,000 registered dems and 798,000 unaffiliateds. So 657,000 republicans have requested ballots (75% of republicans are already locked in) and 627,000 dems have requested ballots (77% of dems locked in).

Fast forward to today. We have a much greater registration advantage compared to 2008. It is 64,000 compared to 12,000 and it was as high as 100,000 during the summer but nonetheless still much greater than 2008. And we are keeping pace with the ballot requests with dems and actually leading them in actual totals even though our percentage is slightly less.

At the close of registration in 08, 3.2 million registered voters and 2.4 million of those voted. That is a turnout of about 75% of registered voters.

Now we have 2.5 million voters on the rolls as of 10/1/12 and the deadline for registration was 10/9. And we are already at 75% of republicans having ballots and 77% of dems having ballots - I think this election is pretty much done. Not many more voters to vote overall. And we know unaffiliateds here in CO are different this year compared to 2008. All we needed to do was make sure republicans vote and vote R/R and I think that is readily apparent.

What say you?


46 posted on 10/12/2012 11:40:29 PM PDT by Ravi
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47 posted on 10/12/2012 11:46:01 PM PDT by Ravi
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To: Jet Jaguar
Romney placing more ads while the Obama Administration is mired in Benghazigate.

Yes Obama Campaign... David Axelrod gave you some really bad advice.
48 posted on 10/12/2012 11:47:18 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: paudio
I don't support Romney that is true. My comments are directed at strategy, If I was in the Romney camp or any other candidates I'd evaluate each state separately and do my ad buys based on the voting habits of that particular state and not think going after votes in those states that have already been cast is a good idea. I never got the rational behind being a cheerleader in an election or anyplace else, saying what folks want to hear is no way to win elections or succeed in any other endeavor..
49 posted on 10/12/2012 11:48:19 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blamed Flamed Shamed didn't vote for R/R or O/B)
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To: Luke21
" Where were these jerkwads last month when Obama was running ads in the college football games every five minutes? "

Doesn't matter now, those ads were a waste of money and time.... Benghazigate neutralized any effect those ads ever had.
The Obama Campaign can't gain any traction at this point because they are mired in the pit of Benghazigate and other scandals.
Let's not forget the misery of Americans are feeling in this ( Yes I made that ) Obama recession.
50 posted on 10/12/2012 11:52:01 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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