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Politicians call for emergency Senate vote to pass gun laws (NY)
The Villager ^ | October 11, 2012 | SAM SPOKONY

Posted on 10/12/2012 9:31:40 PM PDT by neverdem

In the wake of a recent shooting outside an East Village housing complex, local lawmakers gathered alongside community leaders last Friday to call for a special legislative session aimed at passing statewide gun control measures that would make New York’s gun laws the strongest in the country.

At the heart of that argument was a bill requiring the use of a new techonology called microstamping, which passed the state Assembly in June but has been held up by the state Senate’s Republican majority since being introduced in 2011.

State Senator Daniel Squadron, one of the sponsors of the microstamping bill, as well as other currently stalled gun control legislation, led a press conference outside Campos Plaza at E. 12th St. and Avenue C — the site of the shooting — to call for the emergency Senate vote, while also condemning gun industry lobbyists. The Oct. 1 shooting injured one man and is still being investigated.

“There’s no issue more important than this right now,” Squadron said, “and we need to pass these basic, commonsense laws that would make our streets safer.”

Microstamping uses lasers to stamp a numeric code onto bullet shell casings, theoretically making it easier for police to track individual casings left at a crime scene back to the gun — and the shooter — that fired them. The scheme has been met with strong opposition from Second Amendment advocates across the nation, and in recent months some major gun manufacturers have threatened to leave New York if statewide legislation requiring the new technology were to pass.

California is currently the only state to have passed a microstamping law, but it is not actually in use there because, since 2007, the law has been held up on technicalities.

“The gun lobby opposes this because they believe any law that places restrictions on any gun seller or purchaser is a bad law, and we’ve seen the violent effects of that thinking over and over again,” said Assemblymember Brian Kavanagh, a sponsor of various statewide gun control measures, at Friday’s press conference. “People who oppose these laws need to stop victimizing communities at the behest of a wealthy industry, one that basically pays for the kind of violence that we see every day on streets like this.”

But Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, attempted to cast doubts on the new technology’s effectiveness while accusing Squadron and his supporters of grandstanding in the wake of the East Village shooting.

“These lawmakers are misrepresenting the whole issue,” King said. “If Squadron and the others were actually interested in keeping people safe, they would spend more time making sure that the state’s current antigun laws are being enforced, and that gun criminals are given the maximum prison sentences.”

The gun advocate also claimed that microstamping simply “doesn’t work,” and that any legislation requiring it would have a negative impact on licensed, law-abiding gun owners.

Squadron stressed on Friday that implementing the new technology — as well as passing other gun control measures, like an expansion of the current assault weapons ban and a limit on the number of firearms someone can purchase per month — would not affect licensed hunters or other lawful gun owners, and that micro- stamping would cause the price of each gun to increase by no more than $12.

“There’s a real need for it, and claims about excessive cost are irrational,” said Jackie Hilly, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence. “The system we use now only gives us about a 2 percent chance of identifying the gun for a given shell casing, and microstamping would make that process at least 25 times more effective.”

Advocates on both sides of the issue have presented various “expert” studies that either support or discredit microstamping technology, which was invented in the 1990s by an engineer named Todd Lizotte.

Hilly was citing a study published in the spring by Iowa State University’s Ames Laboratory — in collaboration with Lizotte himself — showing that micro- stamping could be up to 97 percent effective in some cases.

The New York Police Department did not respond by press time to a request for comment on the issue of microstamping and other gun control measures.

At Friday’s press conference, Dereese Huff, Campos Plaza Tenant Association president, implored lawmakers to heed Squadron’s call for a special session and quickly pass gun control legislation.

“Our children and family members are dying from the violence. How long should we continue to bury our own families and friends?” Huff asked the gathering. “As a tenant leader, I see the pain and fear in the faces of my fellow residents. I hope that our lawmakers hear our voices, our chorus of pain, and act quickly to protect us from the dangers of uncontrolled gun sales.”

But after speaking to the public, Huff told this newspaper that what she wants most of all is the increased police presence that public housing tenants have been seeking for years, alongside other security measures, like surveillance cameras and functioning locks on the buildings’ front doors.

These concerns have been highlighted multiple times over the past year, as the New York City Housing Authority continues to sit on $42 million of taxpayer money specifically earmarked for security upgrades. NYCHA is also the only landlord in the city required to pay for policing its property, and has paid more than $70 million annually for those services since 1994, as the result of a memorandum of understanding with the N.Y.P.D.

An unexpected presence on Friday was that of Brad Hoylman, the Democratic candidate for the state Senate seat soon to be vacated by Tom Duane. Hoylman spoke at the press conference, even though he will not officially take the seat — he is running unopposed — until Jan. 1, 2013.

“It would be great to pass these bills before you have a chance to vote on them, by going for a special session,” Squadron told Hoylman. “But if we can’t, I know you’re going to be one of the leaders once you get to Albany.”


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Sunnyside councilman calls for increased regulations on gun sales

It's the silly season for grabbing pols seeking cheap publicity and the sheeple who believe this nonsense.

1 posted on 10/12/2012 9:31:45 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Typical commie BS. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Pass knee jerk, commie laws as quickly as you can, preferably under the cover of darkness while the people are sleeping.


2 posted on 10/12/2012 9:35:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Algore. It was attitude, NOT altitude.)
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To: neverdem

So if people ain’t gonna obey the murder law, what the Hell makes these politicians think they will obey the gun law?


3 posted on 10/12/2012 9:35:48 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: neverdem

Well, I guess that if a criminal is so stupid that he can’t take a battery out of a laser or paint over the laser, he deserves to get caught. Another useless technology that only restricts law abiding citizens.


4 posted on 10/12/2012 9:40:17 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: neverdem

(Our children and family members are dying from the violence. )

If you gave a damn about our children, you would get tough on criminals instead of coddling them and giving them excuses.


5 posted on 10/12/2012 9:40:25 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: chris37

Yup. That’s a real good idear! That’ll put an end to all that there gun violence. NOT!

On another note, me and the boss lady went to see Atlas Shrugged Pt 2 this afternoon here in Reno. Liked the movie. Theater was about 80% full for the 2:25 p.m. showing. Fifty and sixty year olds with a few younger folks as well. Nicely received. Worth seeing. We first thought we were going to have to go all the way to Roseville CA to see it but it popped up at the last minute so a much shorter drive.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


6 posted on 10/12/2012 9:40:46 PM PDT by rktman
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
NY Court’s Decision in Gun-Liability Case Described as Groundbreaking

FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

7 posted on 10/12/2012 9:46:38 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

nothing a liberal say is common sense, is common sense. it’s the opposite of common sense.


8 posted on 10/12/2012 9:47:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

get mad at the shooter criminals, not law abiding people who onjly want to be able to defend themselves from being such a statistic.


9 posted on 10/12/2012 9:49:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: chris37

since when do gang murderers and felons actually buy their guns at gun stores? idiot libs.


10 posted on 10/12/2012 9:50:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.


11 posted on 10/12/2012 9:56:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem

“and we need to pass these basic, commonsense laws that would make our streets safer.”

This tired, overused, meaningless phrase about “common sense” is routinely offered by people who haven’t got enough sense to come in out of the rain.


12 posted on 10/12/2012 9:58:03 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: jimmygrace

I have no idea what this reporter is talking about. “Micro stamping” usually involves putting raised numbers on the firing pin or inside the chamber so the shell casing is imprinted with those numbers. The laser imprinting is put on the brass during manufacturing. The first associates the shell case with the gun while the second matches the ammo with the buyer. Neither works for revolvers since they don’t throw brass. In addition, Maryland has had a shell case registry for over a decade and has yet to convict anyone using that as evidence.


13 posted on 10/12/2012 10:03:20 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


14 posted on 10/12/2012 10:05:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
C'mon. When a dumbass brays we need to see what he/she looks like.


15 posted on 10/12/2012 10:08:19 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Dumb or Dumber? Biden or Obama?)
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To: neverdem

At least it will cut down on littering, as the criminals start to police their brass.


16 posted on 10/12/2012 10:09:58 PM PDT by tpmintx (Problem: The people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: VanShuyten

The real bottom line......

Will increase the cost of firearms ownership by at least 100%.

Gun control by $$$$

Mother Fokkers.


17 posted on 10/12/2012 10:10:03 PM PDT by onona (Taglines R Us)
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To: Secret Agent Man

At this point I have to think it’s a case of don’t waste a good crisis, any crisis, no matter how small it may be, in order to advance the agenda.

They want the population unarmed, and they will start anywhere on the map and work outward, and they will use any reason to push.


18 posted on 10/12/2012 10:13:49 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Oh look! The pig wrapped itself in a ribbon and waves a little flag.

How cute.


19 posted on 10/12/2012 10:15:39 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: neverdem

Make it illegal for democrats to own guns and most of the problem will vanish.


20 posted on 10/12/2012 10:17:44 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: chris37

sure, but one doesn’t exclude the other.


21 posted on 10/12/2012 10:18:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

The law presents no solution to their basic issues.


22 posted on 10/12/2012 10:26:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Stormdog

I find that revolvers are still a great technology.


23 posted on 10/12/2012 10:27:59 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
I find that revolvers are still a great technology.

Yes, but it is really difficult to mount the sights on a revolving cylinder so that the gun can be presented sideways.

24 posted on 10/12/2012 10:33:17 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud
Obviously not.

The magazine issue is easily resolved by bringing more revolvers.

25 posted on 10/12/2012 10:36:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: umgud

A sideways presentation could facilitate a quicker reload.


26 posted on 10/12/2012 10:37:40 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Secret Agent Man

Heh, excellent point ^^


27 posted on 10/12/2012 10:46:19 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: neverdem
Just try it...
28 posted on 10/12/2012 10:49:22 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Paladin2

“I find that revolvers are still a great technology.”

They always work when you need them to and never leave their micro stamped casings behind... unless if you have to reload.


29 posted on 10/12/2012 10:55:19 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Stormdog
This tired, overused, meaningless phrase about “common sense” is routinely offered by people who haven’t got enough sense to come in out of the rain.

So how much have all their other "basic common sense" laws improved things?

30 posted on 10/12/2012 11:02:05 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"Make it illegal for democrats to own guns and most of the problem will vanish. "

That does seem to be a winning stratergy.

31 posted on 10/12/2012 11:03:55 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: neverdem

So a new gun law would have stopped this shooting?
These people are idiots.
You already have some of the hardest guns laws in the country. How come they did not work????


32 posted on 10/12/2012 11:06:34 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: neverdem
In the wake of a recent shooting outside an East Village housing complex, local lawmakers gathered alongside community leaders last Friday to call for a special legislative session aimed at passing statewide gun control measures that would make New York’s gun laws the strongest in the country.

Well, if tyranny and violation of God-given Constitutional rights is strong, then yeah. Personally, I don't associate tyranny and violation of my civil rights with strength, but to each his own.

33 posted on 10/12/2012 11:15:30 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 300winmag

“So how much have all their other “basic common sense” laws improved things?”

That’s the point. Common sense was a one size fits all set of ideas that we all shared. Today, common sense is relative, so, common non-sense is a more appropriate term. But to answer your question, I can’t think of any “basic common sense” laws that have done any good, other than to make some people feel good because they got to give them really good names.


34 posted on 10/12/2012 11:32:50 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: neverdem
Prediction:

Should this silly Micro-stamping of Casings pass and spread throughout the Country, the following will occur.

1. Sales of Revolvers will go through the roof.

2. There will no noticeable decrease in “Gun Crime”, but Littering will be decreased.

3. Criminals will pickup the spent Casings after they commit their Crime or they will substitute their spent Casings for those owned by someone else.

4. The term “I've been framed” will be a common refrain in Courtrooms throughout the land.

5. The Libtards will figure out another Gun Law to implement once it's determined this one was an Epic Fail.

35 posted on 10/12/2012 11:44:22 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: rktman
On another note, me and the boss lady went to see Atlas Shrugged Pt 2 this afternoon here in Reno

I went to see the 1:30 PM showing (first was 10:30 AM). I was first in the theater at 12:50. The audience filtered in. Mostly elderly who stumbled and fumbled their way to seats.

The casting and production was first rate. Technology was current and relevant to the current day. Gas prices were only 10x current CA prices. The streets were full of "occupy" types railing about the "2%", the rich and "fair share". Like a page from the current Obamaville newspapers.

The Hank Rearden in Pt 2 looks more the part of a business man with "hands on" experience. The guy in Pt 1 seemed just a little too much like a "city boy" who never go t his hands dirty. I liked the Eddie Willers character better in Pt 2 than what I had perceived when reading the book.

36 posted on 10/13/2012 12:14:48 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

>>Mostly elderly who stumbled and fumbled their way to seats.<<

WTH?

Someday, you’ll be there too.

**Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification.**


37 posted on 10/13/2012 12:37:35 AM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: neverdem

I was concerned about where this shooting happened till I read it happened in alphabet city. That area has always been unsafe. If, for some reason I had to live there, I’d purchase a gun.

This is an attack on guns more so pushing microstamping. Some company needs money.


38 posted on 10/13/2012 1:41:48 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: neverdem

Shoot the criminals. What is so difficult to understand?

That is a solution which is 100% effective, yet libs go crazy if you mention it. There was a judge somewhere (OH?) who advised people to arm themselves. I think we will be seeing more such stories in the coming years.


39 posted on 10/13/2012 6:05:36 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

The problem with all of these pols passing gun laws is that not owns one. There should be a law that anyone who passes anti 2A legislation loses all their armed security.


40 posted on 10/13/2012 6:08:10 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Post of the day.


41 posted on 10/13/2012 6:09:23 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Post of the day.


42 posted on 10/13/2012 6:09:34 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: VanShuyten

Wait for it......dems will pass a law mandating that revolvers eject brass.


43 posted on 10/13/2012 6:11:24 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: VanShuyten

Wait for it......dems will pass a law mandating that revolvers eject brass.


44 posted on 10/13/2012 6:11:41 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: VanShuyten

Wait for it......dems will pass a law mandating that revolvers eject brass.


45 posted on 10/13/2012 6:12:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: neverdem

whenever the left perceives its losing ground in one venue...they try opening another.

as their grasp on federal power recedes this election cycle, they realize that only by extending their power locally can they retain influence.

this IS ALL BEING COORDINATED..somewhere...look at Bloomies daily meeting schedules to find out whom he’s working with....


46 posted on 10/13/2012 6:17:41 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: neverdem
But after speaking to the public, Huff told this newspaper that what she wants most of all is the increased police presence that public housing tenants have been seeking for years, alongside other security measures, like surveillance cameras and functioning locks on the buildings’ front doors.

To protect them against whom? Responsible, gun owning, law abiding citizens?

Or career criminals who already ignore the gun laws that are currently in place and carry anyway with guns they likely bought on the black market, which is where they'll continue to get the guns no matter what draconian legislation is passed by the government?

It just boggles the mind that people cannot think through something that simple in the first place.

47 posted on 10/13/2012 7:03:26 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: neverdem
“The gun lobby opposes this because they believe any law that places restrictions on any gun seller or purchaser is a bad law, and we’ve seen the violent effects of that thinking over and over again,” said Assemblymember Brian Kavanagh, a sponsor of various statewide gun control measures...

How are all those restrictions working out for you, pal? It is insanity to think more of the same will improve matters.

The truth is the so-called "gun lobby" are freedom loving americans who value their right to keep and bear arms so that they can defend themselves against the very vermin your restrictive laws empower. Yes, empower, because restrictive guns laws do not punish criminals, or prevent them from acquiring weapons. They prevent or discourage the law abiding from arming themselves.

It is time to "Escape from NY."

48 posted on 10/13/2012 8:14:23 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: neverdem
Arms Manufacturers in New York State getting ready to leave:

1. Remington Arms
2. LRB
3. Ithaca Gun Co.
4. Dan Wesson Firearms
5. Kahr Arms
6. Kimber Manufacturing, Inc.

49 posted on 10/13/2012 5:16:24 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: neverdem
Less than one minute with a file on a new gun,and the microstamping is rendered useless.

OTOH, plenty of other states will welcome the gun manufacturers with open arms! (unintended pun)

50 posted on 10/13/2012 5:35:07 PM PDT by sarasmom
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