Skip to comments.Is Pennsylvania In Play?
Posted on 10/12/2012 10:56:43 PM PDT by GonzoII
Pennsylvania has not voted for a Republican presidential nominee in 24 years, when George H.W. Bush carried the state narrowly in 1988. In subsequent cycles, the Keystone State frequently felt like 'the one that got away' for Republicans; polling would look close and tightening in October, only to go blue in November, thanks to Democrats' formidable firewall in Greater Philadelphia. This year, it appeared that Pennsylvania wouldn't even be in the conversation for the GOP ticket. Barack Obama won the state by double-digits in 2008, and numerous public opinion polls showed the president maintaining -- or even expanding -- his advantage. Indeed, a CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac poll released at the tail end of September indicated that Obama led Mitt Romney by a whopping 12 points, 54-42 percent. Game over, right? Perhaps not. A string of October polls suggests the president's lead is tenuous, sitting within the margin of error.
The first pollster to detect this dynamic was Susquehanna Polling and Research, which measured a two-point, margin of error race in the state last month. When the firm released its September data, outside observers dismissed it as an outlier and moved on. Chief pollster Jim Lee penned a compelling memo defending his methodology and assumptions, but it garnered little notice. When a separate Susquehanna poll, conducted for a media client, produced a nearly identical result this month, a few more eyebrows perked up. Then came a perception game-changer: Sienna College's published a presidential poll showing three-point race, within the margin of error, with many undecided voters still making up their minds. And, crucially, the majority of the survey was conducted before last week's presidential debate. Could Pennsylvania be much more competitive than the laugher many anticipated? I spoke with Susquehanna's president and founder, Jim Lee, about his organization's findings. He doesn't see a massive or unexpected Romney surge in Pennsylvania; he sees terribly flawed polling assumptions from some of his competitors.
Susquehanna is a Harrisburg-based, Republican-affiliated polling firm founded in 2000. They serve numerous campaigns as well as media clients. "We only really poll for Republican candidates, but the media uses us and respects us because we're accurate," Lee says. "In our public polling, we call them like we see them, based on the data," even if it means bad news for the GOP. The outfit's track record over recent cycles has been fairly impressive. In 2008, their final survey showed Barack Obama leading John McCain "by around eight points," Lee says. The Democrat won by ten. In 2010, Susquehanna slightly underestimated the margin of Republican Tom Corbett's victory, but nailed the high-profile Senate race. "We were the only pollster who got that one right. Everyone else had [Republican Senator Pat] Toomey leading pretty comfortably, but our data showed that the race was getting closer. I even presented our information to Toomey, who gave me a lecture about polling methodology. We had better information than his internals," Lee recalls. An aggregation of polls from RealClearPolitics at the time showed most surveys projecting a 5-7 point win for Toomey. Only Susquehanna anticipated the late tightening and correctly predicted Toomey's slender two-point win. How did Lee and his team pull it off? By studying historical data and poring over a huge volume of state-level data. Based on this information, they determined a likely Democrat vs. Republican turnout model, then weighted their poll samples accordingly. They've done the same this year, concluding that Pennsylvania's electorate will likely be in the D+6 range in 2012, two points less Democratic than 2008.
"Our polling has been validated and vindicated because our D-to-R ratio is much more appropriate than other pollsters'," Lee explains. Some firms keep under-sampling Republicans, by as much as 7 or 8 points. That's a big deal. Nationally it's tough, but on a state-by-state basis, you can use data to weight samples based on likely turnouts, and we do. We know this state. These other firms showing the president with gigantic leads here have been massively under-sampling Republican voters. They have Republican turnout polling even lower than registration levels in this state -- which almost always understate Republican turnout. It just isn't believable. We've been polling at 48-42 D-to-R, for a D+6. The political landscape has clearly shifted." Another data point Lee finds relevant is that in his statewide polling, the incumbent routinely fails to hit or exceed 50 percent in any of what he regards as the three "key" measures: Job approval, favorability and head-to-head. "Voters are pretty polarized at this point. He was at 52-34 favorability in 2008, today it's 47-47, and it's been stuck there for months. That's just one example of why we've been looking at a much closer race than a lot of people were suggesting."
The Romney campaign has indicated that they're monitoring the situation in Pennsylvania very closely, but they continue to downplay expectations there. Romney has devoted relatively few resources to the state, focusing much more heavily on other battlegrounds. (The nominee did deliver a speech in Wayne, Pennsylvania in late September). Keystone presidential aspirations may again prove to be a mirage for the GOP, but the notion that the state will be an easy layup for Barack Obama looks more dubious than ever. If the Obama campaign feels compelled to step up its efforts and expenditures to lock the state down, that could be an organizational concession of significant erosion elsewhere. Stay tuned.
UPDATE - New Pennsylvania poll: Obama 47, Romney 45. That makes three separate polls within the last week showing a two-to-three point contest. Maybe Susquehanna wasn't such an outlier after all.
UPDATE II - Is Romney within six...in Connecticut?
Pennsylvania is in play Philadelphia is not.
Unfortunately Obama will get 80-85 percetn of the Philly vote so..........
I think Romney has a shot in all 50 states. The District of Columbia is the only place he doesn’t.
Any state Obama polls under 50% is in play.
Not California. Still Obamaland here.
Philadelphia is not.
But are they motivated?
Not a chance of that happening. California, Illnois, and New York are solidly in Obama's column, along with most northeastern states. 200 EVs minimum for Obama.
it’s a damn shame the number of states a Republican has to win vs a Dem. I guess it’s fair due to the most fact the majority of the population lives on the coasts, but still.
Pray for snow, rain bad weather in all of the states that either swing or solid for Obama.
Dear God, please make it snow and rain heavy just in Philly and Pittsburgh on Nov 6th.. please Lord... thank you..
Pennsylvania recently elected a somewhat conservative Republican governor, Tom Corbett, and a mostly conservative US senator, Pat Toomey. Republicans control the state senate by a mile, 30 - 20. Democrats hold the House, 104 - 98, but many of those rats are "conservative", at least for rats.
The voter ID law was upheld but put on hold until after the next election, meaning the scumbag rats will again get 120% turnout in Philadelphia.
But yeah, I'd say Pennsylvania is most definitely "in play".
In fact, I will predict here that Romney wins Pennsylvania.
If Romney wins by 4 full percentage points nationally or more that would probably include Pennsylvania and Michigan in the mix.
FYI Rasmessen has a 5 point race right now in PA.
Rasmussen seems to me to be hedging a little conservative (in terms of numbers, not politics) during the Romney surge. It's unlike the usual landscape to have many other polls moving in favor of the Republicans as much or more than Rasmussen. It's unusual for my own assessment to be 3 points greater than Rasmussen's.
Whatever the nature of the Republican win, it will be interesting to look back on Susquehanna's polling vs actuals, because they have been really cocky, and I agree with them.
Anyone with knowledge care to comment on the rumors we in the Western part of PA keep hearing that the Rats have always liked to bus NJ union types across the state line to vote in Philly? After all, that’s where the Black Panthers made their “stand” in 2008.
Then why is Obama wasting money on TV ads in the NY tri-state market?
do you have a section of the state that is conservative or is the whole state liberal?
Conn Obama. According to my sources poll tract the only north east state is a toss up is new hampshire.
Conservatives have a secret weapon in PA, now. It’s influence may not be felt thsi year. In the future, it is bound to show positive results. That weapon is Chris Stegal, the morning voice on Talk Radio 1210, WPH.
He moved form 710 KCMO last year to the Philly market, and oh how we miss him in Kansas City. You’ve probably heard him sub for Rusty Humpheries and others on national shows at times. Unless he’s changed, the guy is a staunch conservative, who is able articulate his positions well. I expect that he’s already gotten inside the heads of some PS liberals and done some damage.
But are they motivated?
I’d say Hawaii, Massachusetts, California, Vermont, New York and Rhode Island are perfectly safe for Obama—and I’d be okay with that.
In my area of California, the Inland Empire and Orange county are more conservative.
I drove from Murrieta to Lake Elsinore yesterday and saw seven Romney/Ryan yard signs and none for Obama/Biden.
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One veteran of the PA game says the state is the Zac Ephron of politics—a perpetual tease that will never come out (for the GOP in the general):
You are forgetting the Democratic Peoples Republic of Maryland, it’s little sister Delaware and that disgusting little speck called DC.
I thought DC had already been conceded, but are DE and MD that far gone too?
I decidedly don’t put IL in there BTW, as I think it’s as likely as CT, NJ, etc., to go for Romney.
Away from the cities it is more conservative.
I’ve only been in Pittsburgh 4 1/2 years but I am amazed by the number of Romney signs this year.
2008 and 2010 it seemed all Dimrat but now Rep signs pretty well equal the mob.
Oct. 11 Philadelphia Inquirer Obama 50, Romney 42 Obama +8 Oct. 10 Rasmussen Reports Obama 51, Romney 46 Obama +5 Oct. 09 Siena Obama 43, Romney 40 Obama +3 Oct. 08 Susquehanna Obama 47, Romney 45 Obama +2
i’m about 2 hours from the Burgh...we’re very rural...not one O sign anywhere around here....we’ve been pummeled with Tom Smith ads on the raio and tv...I was polled last week by the Smith campaign...I sure hope he beats that worthless piece of crap Casey...
how does that compare to 2008?
I like that trend!
But those last two look good!
I was reviewing the last month's Rasmussen Senate polls, and it is a disaster. The entire GOP Senate campaign has totally collapsed.
I will be putting out a complete analysis later this weekend, but we're in worst-case scenario now and need an immediate turnaround strategy, or Romney will NOT have a united Congress to support him.
That’s a clown question, of course it’s in play.
Hawaii, a popular incumbent Republican could win (it likes incumbents, Bush got 44%, 47% in Honolulu) but it’s bigtime democrat and Osama’s homestate and he’ll win it huge again.
Maryland, getting worse everyday.
Realistically Massachusetts as well but let’s pretend Romney can win it cause it’s one of his home states.
There are more conservatives in Cali than any other state, including Texas. Problem is, they’re out numbered.
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