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Focus Was on Tripoli in Requests for Security in Libya (new spin)
New York Times ^ | Oct. 12, 2012 | By ERIC SCHMITT and MARK LANDLER

Posted on 10/12/2012 11:17:06 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

WASHINGTON — In the weeks leading up to the attack last month on the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, diplomats on the ground sounded increasingly urgent alarms. In a stream of diplomatic cables, embassy security officers warned their superiors at the State Department of a worsening threat from Islamic extremists, and requested that the teams of military personnel and State Department security guards who were already on duty be kept in service.

The requests were denied, but they were largely focused on extending the tours of security guards at the American Embassy in Tripoli — not at the diplomatic compound in Benghazi, 400 miles away. And State Department officials testified this week during a hearing by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that extending the tour of additional guards — a 16-member military security team — through mid-September would not have changed the bloody outcome because they were based in Tripoli, not Benghazi. . .

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Obama appointees in the State Department are saying 16 more armed secuirty specialists wouldn't have saved Stevens because he was in Benghazi, not Tripoli. But might some of them escorted the U.S. ambassador to Benghazi if they were available? The Times is helping the White House split hairs.
1 posted on 10/12/2012 11:17:14 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The Libyan attack was an act of war on what is considered American soil.

I think it is about time these news outfits stopped working the Obama CYA.

"All the news Obama sees fit to print."

2 posted on 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Brad from Tennessee
While it is unclear what impact a handful of highly trained additional guards might have had in Benghazi were they able to deploy there, some State Department officials said it would probably not have made any difference in blunting the Sept. 11 assault from several dozen heavily armed militants.

So somebody knows how many attackers there were? Sounds like Hillary's investigation is moving right along. I guess that video is making the rounds?

3 posted on 10/12/2012 11:28:02 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Not enough security to accompany the ambassador in a war zone, but... now lemme see, how many SS agents were guarding Valerie Jarrett at Martha’s Vineyard at the time, and at what cost?


4 posted on 10/12/2012 11:28:44 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Wow, these people are even worse than the Clintons in coming up with new explanations for their failures.


5 posted on 10/12/2012 11:31:18 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Talisker
"now lemme see, how many SS agents were guarding Valerie Jarrett at Martha’s Vineyard at the time, and at what cost?"

And how many SS agents accompanied the Obama girl and her classmates on that trip to Mexico?

6 posted on 10/12/2012 11:32:34 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I knew this was a terrorist attack from the moment I heard the news....

That being said the average American would be shocked at how lax the security is at any American embassy/consulate in any third world country worldwide.

Since 9/11 I have often felt the most at risk when I have been forced by circumstances to visit an US Embassy. They are dangerous places which Americans traveling in the third world are wise to avoid..unfortunately I see the current clamor as nothing more than election year politicking and nothing will change..

7 posted on 10/12/2012 11:36:04 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blamed Flamed Shamed didn't vote for R/R or O/B)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Gee... it’s almost like this white house is actually just a tank of manatees pushing around random idea balls.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103666/idea-balls


8 posted on 10/12/2012 11:39:22 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Uh Oh, you have just sent them back to their spinning wheel.

Why can't those Freepers just shut up!!!/s

9 posted on 10/12/2012 11:39:54 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I can no longer believe anything coming out of the White House. Stopped paying attention to their statements when they posted a forged document on their website. Before that, I gave them the benefit of the doubt even though I had my suspicions long before that.


10 posted on 10/12/2012 11:51:32 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Brad from Tennessee
State Dept. Rules of Engagement Kept Marines out of Tripoli, Benghazi in Libya

Paul Mirengoff at Powerline reported that the Marine Corps issued a statement on Thursday confirming that prior to the September 11 murder of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi, Libya, no Marines were stationed in Libya, either at the United States mission in Benghazi or the United States embassy in Tripoli.

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Decisions regarding whether to have Marines at particular U.S. embassies and consulates fall to the State Department, according to the Marine Corps statement. In the case of Tripoli, the Corps says there were discussions with the State Department about establishing a detachment at the embasssy in Tripoli, a new embassy, some time in the next five years. That may seem like a long time, but for bureaucrats it is often considered ASAP.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 12:03:30 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Imagine if Bush and Cheney tried to pull this kind of crap.

A US Ambassador and 3 of his colleagues were murdered by terrorists while the Obama machine campaigned. The machine blamed the 1st Amendment as a response to the violence against American blood and soil. The Leftwing media accommodated this diversion.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 12:10:53 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Just mythoughts
So somebody knows how many attackers there were?

There were 20 recently released terrorist prisoners that were on the main ambush team. There were helpful 'others' from 'friendly' Libyan forces and the always present neighborhood thugs. Many were rewarded with big new SUV's.

Several dozen is very likely accurate.

13 posted on 10/13/2012 12:24:57 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Gene Eric

And Biden says about Romney and Ryan “I’ve never met two guys more down on America.”


14 posted on 10/13/2012 12:25:32 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Talisker
now lemme see, how many SS agents were guarding Valerie Jarrett at Martha’s Vineyard at the time, and at what cost?

Maybe Martha's Vineyard is a dangerous neighborhood ?

15 posted on 10/13/2012 12:27:41 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: UCANSEE2
There were 20 recently released terrorist prisoners that were on the main ambush team. There were helpful 'others' from 'friendly' Libyan forces and the always present neighborhood thugs. Many were rewarded with big new SUV's.

Could you give me a source for that? I'm trying to compile as many links on this story as I can.

16 posted on 10/13/2012 12:29:29 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

The guy’s a tool.


17 posted on 10/13/2012 12:32:52 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: mass55th

It is impossible to come up with excuses for the inexcusable.
This can be the downfall of the Qbama regime if used correctly. Romney should refocus every question asked at the next debate to Libya. I.E. Mr. Romney is there a war on women? No. There is a war on ambassadors.


18 posted on 10/13/2012 12:43:56 AM PDT by pnut22
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To: Brad from Tennessee
All the news they can think of to help Obama/Clinton!


19 posted on 10/13/2012 1:15:18 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
What should grace the front page of the NY Times:


20 posted on 10/13/2012 1:21:34 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: mass55th
Wow, these people are even worse than the Clintons in coming up with new explanations for their failures.

I remember when newspapers wrote for the benefit of their readers ... now they write for the benefit of liberal politicians needing an excuse...

21 posted on 10/13/2012 1:28:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: Just mythoughts

Hillary’s a past master at spinning yarns and telling them to the American people in her best “schoolmarm” dialect, talking down to them like she’s the “smartest woman in the world”. The Clintons spin until everyone is dizzy if they listen to the Clintons. - Darn it; this SOS gig was Hillary’s stepping stone to bigger and better things. Now, she, like Bill and Hussein, just looks like “Ned in the First Reader”.


22 posted on 10/13/2012 3:18:56 AM PDT by Twinkie (Live and let live.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
WHY....>WHY was he in Benghazi on 9-11 especially??? Benghazi was the MOST DANGEROUS place since it had been hit before and that the Al Queda leader that was just killed by a drone was from Benghazi??

WHY....WHO SENT HIM TO BENGHAZI???? He KNEW ther were threats against him??

VERY STRANGE.....Did OUR side WANT him dead??

23 posted on 10/13/2012 3:24:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Twinkie

HILLARY and OBAMA have BLOOD on their hands.


24 posted on 10/13/2012 3:26:51 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

They are getting closer to the truth in a Roundabout way.
According to Glen Becks source weeks ago The reason The ambassador Stevens was in BenGahzi in the First Place was that he was On a CIA mission to retrieve Guns that the US had Given to Rebels to Oust Ghadafi,Problem is those Rebels were AlQuaida,Now Obama sure does not want it to be known that we Gave Guns to them thats why they cant and dont even want to be asked Why was Stevens in BenGhazi in the First Place? The Embassy is in Tripoli,why do we Need Security in Benghazi,people would start asking Questions ,what is going on down there just ignore the requests. Problem is Folks,the whole thing just Blew up in their Face.


25 posted on 10/13/2012 4:46:38 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: ballplayer

Intresting...now where have I heard of this administration putting guns in the hands of criminals resulting in the death of innocent people before...


26 posted on 10/13/2012 5:00:07 AM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The question..... are security guards fungible?

Could not the security requested for Tripoli be TAD with the ambassador to Bengazi?

Lawyerly splitting of hairs is no defense for failure.


27 posted on 10/13/2012 5:04:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

My Question: With all the differing stories between the State Department and the White House, how long before the administration tries to establish where the “Buck Stops” and how convincing can it be? Someone will have to take the fall for dropping the ball. Will it be Hillary or Obama?


28 posted on 10/13/2012 6:06:08 AM PDT by Don@VB (Power Corrupts)
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To: UCANSEE2
There were 20 recently released terrorist prisoners that were on the main ambush team. There were helpful 'others' from 'friendly' Libyan forces and the always present neighborhood thugs. Many were rewarded with big new SUV's. Several dozen is very likely accurate.

There is/are reason(s) why the accounting of some questionably made video, first blamed on Coptic Christians, continues to be used as means and methods to create deception. I think that video did not just suddenly appear, it was made for a specific purpose, and not made by an Christian. Wonder why Egypt has not demanded US return that so called Coptic Christian for prosecution? No they want a blind criminal returned.

The Clintons standard method of operation is to run out the 'statute of limitations' clock, and that clock ends this case on election day.

The press has been over Libya since we began arming Obama's rebels always positive. And the Obama Libyan operation armed everybody and his brother, including AlQaeda, and there is no way Obama or Hillary did not know who was fighting to take down Q-man. Obama's foreign rebels are still armed and sending in an Ambassador without security to deal with armed AlQaeda for return of weapons makes no sense whatsoever.

Tuff Joe Biden all but said they knew who killed the Ambassador and 3 other Americans, and they would be called to justice. So their claimed ignorance is a big time joke.

I think they Obama and Hillary are waiting to find out what the ransom will be for the intel looted from that compound. Now if they can keep the chaos and deception flowing until after the election they consider themselves home free.

29 posted on 10/13/2012 7:45:37 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: TigersEye

I don’t remember exactly where I got that. It was in early reports.

Here is proof that at least one of them was a released terrorist.

Report: Militant Connected to Libya Consulate Attack Freed From Prison During Arab Spring
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/02/militants-libya-attack-freed-prison/

There is proof that 20 former ‘terrorists’ were released and I am still looking for it.


30 posted on 10/13/2012 2:39:25 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Thank you for the link and for the reply. This thing gets stinkier by the hour. You've probably seen/heard this but just in case...

Col. Hunt On The Newest Libyan Revelations (huge coverup!)

Everyone was informed of the attack in Benghazi in real time. Sec. State, Pres., the Pentagon, the CIA ... It's automatic, required by law and all logged.

31 posted on 10/13/2012 3:02:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Obama could have had rapid response team in Benghazi in twenty minutes. That’s all the time it would take for military jets to fly the 450 miles from the base in Southern Italy.


32 posted on 10/13/2012 8:10:14 PM PDT by Eva (Obama and Hillary lied, Americans died.)
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To: Slyfox
The Libyan attack was an act of war on what is considered American soil.

And THAT is the bottom line.

33 posted on 10/13/2012 8:11:52 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Twinkie
Hillary’s a past master at spinning yarns and telling them to the American people in her best “schoolmarm” dialect

All Hillary does is read from a piece of paper.... one--word--at--a--time.

34 posted on 10/13/2012 8:14:48 PM PDT by jersey117
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