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Biden: 'My Religion Defines My Life;' Pope: 'There Is a Grave & Clear Oblig to Oppose' Leg Abortion
CNS News ^ | October 12, 2012 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 10/13/2012 7:42:18 AM PDT by NYer

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To: AustinBill

I really have to investigate this. It seems that the Church in the U.S. has been permitting the govt. (or persuading, maybe depending on) to do it’s social justice for it.

Have any of the writers done work on this? I’m sure they have.

I know this pope did a letter on charity in which he talks about subsidiarity. I know the Church does not go for this and it is a U.S. thing, to say nothing of other governments.


51 posted on 10/14/2012 9:52:04 AM PDT by stanne
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"Were there no law, then the crime would be murder. "

Indeed, but who is guilty to be punished for the abortion - mother? doctor? politician? facility? no one?

52 posted on 10/14/2012 11:49:09 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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The modern articulation of authentic catholic social teaching dates to Leo XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum which was promulgated in 1891 in the wake of the rise of Marxist and socialist thinking in Europe. The rejection of it, along with Paul VI's equally prescient Humanae Vitae are the keys to understanding the decline of Catholicism in the West.

The key to Catholic social teaching is that charity is an obligation for all Catholics and that this is to be done at the most local possible level, which is why historically individuals and churches have been the champions of the poor whose focus was to help those in need get out of poverty. This is why the church has always had a strong social ministry in education because there is no surer escape from poverty than education.

The evil (and we should not mince words about this) of socialism is that under the guise of "caring" and "concern" it intentionally enslaves the poor by institutionalizing poverty and creating a culture of dependency (conveniently in exchange for votes in democratic governments). As I've mentioned in other posts, true charity is an opening of the heart from which many graces flow to both giver and recipient. Socialist "redistribution", by contrast, is a forced opening of the wallet which only results in resentment on the part of the involuntary "giver" and ingratitude on the part of the entitled recipient.

53 posted on 10/14/2012 1:17:04 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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You have given me something to go on. I was aware of the situation with Humanae Vitae. And George Weigel has written on it. I’ll be sure to look into Pope Leo’s Encyclical.


54 posted on 10/14/2012 1:36:00 PM PDT by stanne
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To: ex-snook
Indeed, but who is guilty to be punished for the abortion - mother? doctor? politician? facility? no one?

Were Roe v Wade overturned, all abortion clinics would be closed. That eliminates clinic and politician. Life would revert back to the way it was pre Roe v Wade when abortions were illegal. To obtain one, it was necessary to seek out a doctor willing to risk prosecution, if caught ... or ... fly to a country where abortions are legal. In sum, if the abortion occurred in the US, both the mother and doctor would be held responsible for the crime of murder. Since I am not a lawyer, I cannot narrow this down to the degree of murder.

55 posted on 10/14/2012 2:16:15 PM PDT by NYer
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To: stanne
Also check out the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church which provides a comprehensive reference for all of the Church's social teachings.
56 posted on 10/14/2012 2:35:26 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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Oh. I will. But it seems like it’ll be torture.

Felt banners, percussion at Mass, nuns in bad polyester outfits, teaching the “doctrine” of “You’re OK; I’m OK” in religion and joining forces with Mario Cuomo and . . .

Ugh.


57 posted on 10/14/2012 2:43:59 PM PDT by stanne
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