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Obama touts benefits of auto bailout as debate looms
Reuters ^ | October 13, 2012 | By Mark Felsenthal

Posted on 10/13/2012 8:09:28 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

President Barack Obama sought on Saturday to sustain momentum from Vice President Joe Biden's strong debate showing by touting the benefits of one of his signature actions, the rescue of the U.S. auto industry, as he prepared for his next debate with Republican Mitt Romney.

"We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt," Obama said in his weekly radio address. "We bet on American workers and American ingenuity, and three years later, that bet is paying off in a big way."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012; failure; governmentmotors; porkulus
Aug 13, 2012 - The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That's 15 percent higher than its previous forecast.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392#ixzz29BxL8o6k

1 posted on 10/13/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

sheesh what has this writer been smoking


2 posted on 10/13/2012 8:10:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Momentum? LOL! I love the not so subtle bias.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 8:12:58 AM PDT by TapsBrowning
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To: yldstrk

Romney’s response to this needs to be that Obama bailed out the United Auto Worker’s Union, not the auto industry. Many companies, including airlines, have went through the legal bankruptcy channels and come back stronger than ever.

I’d also like to hear Mitt bring up Thomas Lauria and the Delphi non union workers that Obama illegally shafted during this process. Some of those workers lost their entire retirement.


4 posted on 10/13/2012 8:13:53 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Joe Biden's strong debate showing

????? I must have missed something.

5 posted on 10/13/2012 8:35:29 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I hope Romney hammers away at this! Why does 1 industry deserve so much government money over another? Or at all? This is legal theft at its worst!


6 posted on 10/13/2012 8:41:17 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But wasn’t it Bush that started the auto bailouts?


7 posted on 10/13/2012 8:43:38 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: NoobRep

Not to mention the fact that Obama upended bankruptcy law and shafted the bondholders. Bankruptcy was the only fair and legal way to handle the situation, but Obama chose to violate the law to save his union buddies.


8 posted on 10/13/2012 8:51:10 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt," Obama said in his weekly radio address. "We bet on American workers and American ingenuity, and three years later, that bet is paying off in a big way."

Where to start.

First, GM and Chrysler DID go bankrupt. Obama is trying to equate going bankrupt with going out of business, but that likely wouldn't have been the case. Romney needs to point this out. GM could have survived a normal bankruptcy, but they chose money from Obama in return for protection as Obama paid off the UAW at the expense of the bond holders.

Furthermore, Chrysler is now a foreign owned nameplate that builds many of its top of the line cars like the 300, Charger, and Challenger in other countries. Going from a US company to a foreign nameplate resulted directly from Obama's intervention.

And in spite of all of the money and effort Obama spent on this, he didn't fix the real reason that caused GM and Chrysler to go bankrupt in the first place. Namely, nobody was buying their products. In the early 70s, GM had 60% of the US market all by itself. Now, even counting foreign owned Chrysler as a domestic make, the US brands are doing well to get 50% of their home market. I see all of those Obama stickers on Toyotas, Hondas, and other foreign makes. They cheer Obama for supposedly fixing the US auto industry, but still won't buy its products.

Betting on the American workers? Not according to "General Motors is becoming China Motors".

Thankfully, Ford didn't screw over its bond holders in return for bailouts, so I can still support the US auto industry without supporting these policies.

9 posted on 10/13/2012 8:52:13 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: al_c

Bush started it with the TARP loans, which have been paid back with interest. He did NOT screw over the bond holders to pay off the UAW.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 8:53:53 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: al_c

Bush gave loans, the Kenyan did a pre-packaged bankruptcy bailout that crapped on dealerships, obliterated contract law as it relates to preferred bond holders, and gave 17% to the UAW while protecting union pay and benefits.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 8:55:40 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Exactly correct. He went about it in a more reasonable manner than did the imposter that is trying to take all the credit. Just like he does with Iraq.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 8:57:29 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c
But wasn’t it Bush that started the auto bailouts?

The recent bailouts. Remember Chrysler and Iaccoca? Didn't they get a bailout in the late 1970s or early 1980s? Carter/Reagan time-frame?

For the GM et al fiasco, you are correct. IIRC, Rush Limbaugh explained it along the lines of "[Bush43] ...doesn't want the collapse of GM to happen on his watch..."

13 posted on 10/13/2012 9:04:41 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
VOLT FORWARD, VOLT FORWARD
14 posted on 10/13/2012 9:05:39 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
GM and Chrysler DID go bankrupt

I'm sure you are aware of the subtlety of the rhetoric, but others may not be.

The difference is that GM did not go through a "normal" bankruptcy. Such a bankruptcy would have resulted in a re-negotiation of the UAW contract. As it is, that contract, and the associated extremely high cost of labor, stayed in-tact. Bottom line: tax-payer money was substituted for cutting costs.

So, part of the reason for the need for either a bailout or normal bankruptcy remains. Therefore, especially if 0bama is re-elected, we, the American people, will get a chance to bailout Government Motors yet again!

I don't understand why Romney/Ryan don't present more of the truth about this - it's about the only semi-positive element (at least to 0bama's mind-numbed faithful) remaining in 0bama's record.

15 posted on 10/13/2012 9:06:52 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Calvin Locke
The recent bailouts. Remember Chrysler and Iaccoca? Didn't they get a bailout in the late 1970s or early 1980s? Carter/Reagan time-frame?

That was also a loan, that was paid back with interest, and without screwing over the bond holders.

16 posted on 10/13/2012 9:10:34 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
From a 2 June 2009 CNN Money article: NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors filed for bankruptcy protection early Monday, a move once viewed as unthinkable that became inevitable after years of losses and market share declines capped by a dramatic plunge in sales in recent months. The bankruptcy is likely to lead to major changes and job cuts at the battered automaker. But President Obama and GM CEO Fritz Henderson both promised that a more viable GM will emerge from bankruptcy. In the end, even $19.4 billion in federal help wasn't enough to keep the nation's largest automaker out of bankruptcy. The government will pour another $30 billion into GM to fund operations during its reorganization.

Perhaps the author is unaware that the government didn't prevent the bankruptcy, it just made it more expensive to the taxpayer, funded the UAW that made it necessary, and kicked the problem down the road.

17 posted on 10/13/2012 10:00:45 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

He has to be helping out the toilet paper industry because I’ve never seen someone so full of crap as him.


18 posted on 10/13/2012 10:05:08 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

One word - DELPHI.

We’ve been in court for 2 years, hitting brick walls with this administration. Plenty of proof that we were pushed under the bus, and it’s getting pretty crowded under there.


19 posted on 10/13/2012 10:21:07 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer
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To: vpintheak

I was hoping that Ryan had a response to Biden about GM bailout like: The thousands of employee’s who lost their pensions due to the bailout (non union), the stock-holders, etc.


20 posted on 10/13/2012 10:35:12 AM PDT by Engedi
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Imo, its the biggest reason business will not expand under an 0bama regime. The rules will change and be applied retroactivly at any time


21 posted on 10/13/2012 10:53:24 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Obama's grasp of business and economics is so shallow he hasn't a clue to the long term damage he's done. Let's review:

1) he violated contract law when he stiffed the bond holders. So what happens next time GM puts bonds up for sale? That's right, the only ones stupid enough to inv est in GM is the gov.

2. He twisted the books to the benefit of the UAW which is the largest organized slumber party on the planet. The primary reason for GM insolvency is the UAW. Between the strangulating work rules and the krispy creme bennies they guarantee the inevitable GM bankruptcy.

3. finally, the moronic idea to produce cars that nobody, and let's be clear, NOBODY wants to buy. Who needs market research when we have the oceans to lower, right?

Ok obama let's hear that rah-rah for Detroit; the last place on earth any sensible human being wants to be.

22 posted on 10/13/2012 11:12:07 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Yes by all means - keep bragging about how you've saved Detroit.
23 posted on 10/13/2012 11:38:57 AM PDT by dk88 (Outlaw)
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