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'I had to eat piece of my friend to survive': Torment of 1972 Andes plane crash survivor
UK Daily Mail ^ | October 13, 2012

Posted on 10/13/2012 9:03:03 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Forty year on from the plane crash that changed his life forever, Dr Roberto Canessa still vividly remembers having to eat the flesh of friends to survive. He was one of 16 men who escaped death when their chartered aircraft smashed into the bleak Andes mountains between Chile and Argentina on October 13, 1972. They were rescued 72 days later after Dr Canessa, then a 19-year-old medical student, and another survivor trekked for 10 days to get help.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: andes; canessa; planecrash; survival
(headline was shortened to fit)
1 posted on 10/13/2012 9:03:13 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement
What would you have done? None of you can understand because none of you were there! You don't think about right and wrong when you're just trying to survive! Right and wrong, those are just words, they don't mean anything when you look around and all you can see is death, and all you can feel is the HUNGER...."
2 posted on 10/13/2012 9:07:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: Lazamataz

Remember this tune?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGNdvKvbxYQ


3 posted on 10/13/2012 9:08:58 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: ConservativeStatement; Cacique; Caipirabob
I think I saw Nando Parrado in Punta del Este once.

He was eating an ice cream cone at the time.

4 posted on 10/13/2012 9:09:23 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Lazamataz

“... you ate 112 of your fellow passengers”.

Hysterical, Laz!!


5 posted on 10/13/2012 9:10:02 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: All

“I Am Alive” documentary on History Channel is one of the best and most inspiring things I’ve ever seen....you can find the whole thing on YouTube...everyone should watch it


6 posted on 10/13/2012 9:11:11 AM PDT by thestob (Vote or P. Diddy will kill you)
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To: ConservativeStatement
"I had to eat piece of my friend to survive once."

"Stories. I gotta million of 'em."

7 posted on 10/13/2012 9:13:12 AM PDT by x
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To: ConservativeStatement

he did not “have” to eat a piece of a friend to survive, he did eat a piece of a friend and survived.

I would have let myself die rather than eat a human.

This garbage about “you don’t know what you would do under the same circumstances unless you are under the same circumstances” is the classic situational ethics scenario. If a person has principles, they stick to them.

There are some things worse than physical death. This “man” does not earn my respect.

Now the guy that cut his own arm off, he earns my respect, I doubt I could do that either.

But then again, I think this life is pretty torturous and won’t mind when it is my time to go home.


8 posted on 10/13/2012 9:15:56 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
Yet when we go to Communion on Sunday...

I read the book, way back when, and the survivors did not just chow down, but reverently viewed eating the flesh of their friends as a sort of communion. I have little doubt they prayed and agonized over the decision.

At that altitude there is not much more than snow, ice, and rock, and the desire to live is stronger than most of us think.

9 posted on 10/13/2012 9:23:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: yldstrk

I would have hoped for a good supply of charcoal briquets and bbq sauce.

When the soul has fled, meat is meat and life is life.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 9:24:43 AM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

You can’t make this stuff up.

Here is the FR list of consecutive posts.

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‘I had to eat piece of my friend to survive’: Torment of 1972 Andes plane crash survivor
Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:03:03 PM · by ConservativeStatement · 9 replies
UK Daily Mail ^ | October 13, 2012
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Worker Dies After Being Cooked In Tuna Plant Oven
Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:02:24 PM · by BenLurkin · 20 replies
AP) ^ | October 12, 2012 6:53 PM


11 posted on 10/13/2012 9:32:06 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: martin_fierro

I saw Nando give a lecture on a cruise ship. He’s a great and inspiring speaker, a with a tragic tale that has far more to it than cannibalism.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 9:36:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I hear the finger sandwiches were to die for!


13 posted on 10/13/2012 9:41:16 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Agree. That book has been an inspiration to me for years. The survivors all said that if anything happened to them, for those who still survived to use their bodies if needed. Then an avalanche struck taking some who had survived the plane crash. They were Catholics. They were very reverent of their friends. Parrado’s mother perished in the crash and his sister lived only for short time. When he and Canessa struck out to find civilization, Parrado gave his permission for his sister's and mother's bodies to be used for nourishment if absolutely necessary. What greater love? The place in the book that has stayed with me for decades.......as the survivors tried to sleep at night, they had to sardine themselves into the fuselage of the broken plane and then seal up the open ends from the cold. They had specific places to sleep and one could not see out the window from his spot. Another survivor would hold a mirror toward a window so the other young man could see the moon. ‘I know my family is looking at the same moon in Uruguay. I feel the connection’. How anyone could fault these young rugby players for their survival needs is beyond me.
14 posted on 10/13/2012 9:41:42 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: yldstrk
You say it like you think you will have a coherent, conscious mind when you are dazed by incredible hunger and there is no sight of redemption to be found anywhere. It's like trying to hold your own breath... after a point, your subconscious mind takes over and you will have no voluntary control over your own diaphragm and lungs until oxygen levels are restored. Your body is not as suicidal as your mind might be.

Remember the Donner Party pioneer expedition in 1846 into what is now California, through the Sierra Nevada?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

Same thing: Starvation, disease and trauma caused one party to resort to cannibalism.

The Donner Party was a group of 87 American pioneers who in 1846 set off from Missouri in a wagon train headed west for California, only to find themselves trapped by snow in the Sierra Nevada. The subsequent casualties resulting from starvation, exposure, disease, and trauma were extremely high, and many of the survivors resorted to cannibalism.

The wagons left in May 1846. Encouraged to try a new, faster route across Utah and Nevada, they opted to take the Hastings Cutoff proposed by Lansford Hastings, who had never taken the journey with wagons. The Cutoff required the wagons to traverse Utah's Wasatch Mountains and the Great Salt Lake Desert, and slowed the party considerably, leading to the loss of wagons, horses, and cattle. It also forced them to engage in heavy labor by clearing the path ahead of them, and created deep divisions between members of the party. They had planned to be in California by September, but found themselves trapped in the Sierra Nevada by early November.

Most of the party took shelter in three cabins that had been constructed two years earlier at Truckee Lake (now Donner Lake), while a smaller group camped several miles away. Food stores quickly ran out, and a group of 15 men and women attempted to reach California on snowshoes in December, but became disoriented in the mountains before succumbing to starvation and cold. Only seven members of the snowshoe party survived, by eating the flesh of their dead companions. Meanwhile, the Mexican American War delayed rescue attempts from California, although family members and authorities in California tried to reach the stranded pioneers but were turned back by harsh weather. The first rescue group reached the remaining members, who were starving and feeble, in February 1847. Weather conditions were so bad that three rescue groups were required to lead the rest to California, the last arriving in March. Most of these survivors also had resorted to cannibalism. Forty-eight members of the Donner Party survived to live in California. Although a minor incident in the record of westward migration in North America, the Donner Party became notorious for the reported claims of cannibalism. Efforts to memorialize the Donner Party were underway within a few years; historians have described the episode as one of the most spectacular tragedies in California history and in the record of western migration.

15 posted on 10/13/2012 9:43:28 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: BwanaNdege
Good thing I didn't post the “Tabasco Sauce Makes Everything Tastes Better" article.
16 posted on 10/13/2012 9:44:03 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: yldstrk
I would have let myself die rather than eat a human.

What if your spouse had died and you had young children at home who depended on and needed you?

17 posted on 10/13/2012 9:47:14 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: trailhkr1

mmmmmmmmmmmm that is a tough one, but I would know the wrong of eating a human would destroy me inside


18 posted on 10/13/2012 9:56:44 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
but I would know the wrong of eating a human would destroy me inside

Going Dahmer on a human body is wrong..trying to survive as these guys did is not.

19 posted on 10/13/2012 9:59:10 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: yldstrk

If you don’t believe in God you’ll do anything!!!


20 posted on 10/13/2012 10:52:41 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: James C. Bennett
The location where this happened is close to I 80. There is a monument there; it is spooky to visit.

They traveled months; and ended just short and a few hours from getting far enough, that they could have made on west and down the Sierras to safety.

21 posted on 10/13/2012 11:10:13 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Also take into consideration the lack of oxygen at altitude and the numbing cold. Such desperate circumstances would cause many to do things they would otherwise never even consider. I don’t know for a fact, but I bet the deceased were stripped of any jackets, blankets, possibly even socks and shoes in an attempt to stay warm. They won’t do the deceased any good.

Would you consider wearing the clothes of a deceased person from the opposite gender if you thought it might keep you from freezing to death no matter how ridiculous it might have looked? In other circumstances, no. But in these conditions, I might.


22 posted on 10/13/2012 11:11:04 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Lazamataz

There have been many who have gone through similar situations than those in the 1972 Andes plane crash and who have written and spoken about it—and who have not eaten people who died next to them, even though they themselves were starving. I think of the Jewish holocaust.

I have read accounts of people who have been imprisoned and tortured because they believed in the Lord Jesus Christ; they gave up their food and their covering for others who were suffering in prison with them, and the ones left to tell the stories couldn’t understand it. This is going on today in many countries.

It’s because they believe in God’s provision (Christ) for the forgiveness of their sins and in His many promises, one of which is to live in His presence forever in His glorious kingdom.

O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING? The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord. [1 Corinthians 15:55-58]


23 posted on 10/13/2012 12:59:59 PM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: thestob

Thanks for the heads up. I’ll have to remember to check that out. I read the book in high school. I should re-read. I find stories of survival like that very interesting, compelling.

Not a case of having to eat another human to survive, but I saw this on cable several months ago. The emotional and physical strength this man had to muster to survive was amazing.

I Shouldn’t Be Alive. Mt. Ranier in WA.
Killer Crevasse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGIDTosMH7o


24 posted on 10/13/2012 2:07:42 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: thestob

Oops, that was just the promo link. Here is the complete episode if you are interested:

Killer Crevasse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V87DWzsFZw&;


25 posted on 10/13/2012 2:13:05 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: yldstrk
I would have let myself die rather than eat a human.

What's the difference between a dead human carcass and a dead deer carcass?

After a month of no food, do you think you could tell the difference between the two if served one or the other?

Sorry bro but I don't buy your grandiose swagger, nobody can predict what they would REALLY do under the most absolute extreme conditions of survival...nobody.

26 posted on 10/13/2012 2:29:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Good thing I didn't post the “Tabasco Sauce Makes Everything Tastes Better" article.

Yes, it is a good thing........ :(

27 posted on 10/13/2012 2:33:10 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I am a lady. I don’t eat humans. I believe in God’s provision and I don’t eat humans. Under any circumstances.


28 posted on 10/13/2012 2:56:58 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ConservativeStatement

After he was dead it wasn’t anyone’s friend, just a dead body. Meat.


29 posted on 10/13/2012 3:06:04 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: yldstrk
I believe in God’s provision

Then convince me that it wasn't God that took the life of the human in order to provide sustenance for you to survive 3 months without food so that you could eventually return to your family and fulfill God's plan for you?

30 posted on 10/13/2012 3:40:40 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: yldstrk; Hot Tabasco
... said from the comfort of your warm and well-nourished state.

And you truly have no idea what you would do under their circumstances. None.

31 posted on 10/13/2012 4:01:22 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: yldstrk

As a side note, what this man has done with his life is a testament to the trial and tribulation that God laid out before him and the path that he followed...As horrible as it may seem, it was God’s choosing.


32 posted on 10/13/2012 4:36:39 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco
From the article: "Dr Canessa, now a top pediatric cardiologist..."

I like your post. How many lives has this many saved and made better by being alive? Those people weren't coming back. He had to make a horrible choice, desperate choice, but his continued existence has benefited people greatly, I'm sure.

33 posted on 10/14/2012 1:41:22 AM PDT by beaversmom
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