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Wind Power Canít Cost-Effectively Be a Large Gridís Main Source of Electricity
Cascade Policy Institute ^ | October 5, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 10/13/2012 9:19:15 AM PDT by Twotone

PORTLAND, Oregon—Because of its variable nature, wind energy is not suited to be the lone or primary source of a grid’s total electricity, according to a new Cascade Policy Institute–Reason Foundation study. If used to produce more than 10-20 percent of a system’s electricity, wind power increases operating costs, due to the need for expensive storage facilities or continuously available CO2-emitting backup power generation facilities.

(Excerpt) Read more at cascadepolicy.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda21; greenenergy; windpower

1 posted on 10/13/2012 9:19:22 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

As Texas found to its sorrow during the very cold winter of 2010, wind turbines stop producing in near-zero temperatures...at the very time that those depending on electric heat are cranking up their thermostats.

Texas had to go off-grid and buy electric power from Mexico, and in true Mexican fashion, our neighbors charged ten times the normal rate, which the freezing consumers saw in their electric bills.

Environmentalists should the the first ones cut off in any energy crisis.


2 posted on 10/13/2012 9:27:42 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee
Environmentalists should the the first ones cut off in any energy crisis.

They should volunteer to show their true commitment to the cause.

3 posted on 10/13/2012 9:30:52 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Twotone

Shut The Front Door! When did that happen????? Man am I crushed now. I was going to install 2 dozen in the back yard and sell the overage back to NVEnergy through my newly installed “smart” meter. LOL!

Happy Birthday US Navy!!!

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years. (In a deep Hemi rumble sort of way.)


4 posted on 10/13/2012 9:35:01 AM PDT by rktman
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To: Twotone

We’ve got enormous new wind farms in Indiana and Illinois. I wonder how they’re paid for.


5 posted on 10/13/2012 9:36:41 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: popdonnelly
I wonder how they’re paid for.

I assume that this is sarcasm. They are being paid for by YOU, of course.

6 posted on 10/13/2012 9:40:04 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Twotone

thats right..my engineer brother explained it all to me. and I hear they are going to use another vegetable along with corn for fuel and cause more high prices and hunger in the world


7 posted on 10/13/2012 9:40:04 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: popdonnelly

“We’ve got enormous new wind farms in Indiana and Illinois. I wonder how they’re paid for.”

Look at the tax deductions on your paycheck, and at your electricity bill.


8 posted on 10/13/2012 9:40:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Twotone

How much did this study cost taxpayers? As wind is not consistent, this should be an obvious conclusion that does not require further study.

MJ


9 posted on 10/13/2012 9:51:45 AM PDT by mjustice ( Apparently common sense isn't so common.)
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To: Twotone

Instead of attacking the basic changes in energy supply created by this regime which are directly contributing to the recipients dependency on whatever the regime is handing out ,by design.

Too many pundits drawn from their limited personal immediate surrounding and life style are attacking the recipients with condemnation for using what a one time was termed “relief” .They are demonstrating they haven’t a clue what a retiree on a fixed income or even those out of work are going through at this time. And that’s the problem.

You have a regime which by design is driving up the costs and uses of energy the most a basic resource because it suits its “look at US saving the world “socialist matrix. What’s even worse is the massive corrpution resulting from that regime doling out tons of funds towards its campaign donners for so called alternate forms which don’t work or are laughingly inefficient .

This seems to be getting a pass even by the Romney campaign and a huge mistake because that “feel good” policy affects everyone. It is a bread a butter issue.

As far as wind generation goes the US would have been far better off if WE offered tax write off incentives to locations which decided to supplement electric energy usage by different means of localized generation. That would reduce the need of extending greater the power transmission grid and its ultimate costly maintainence.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 10:03:34 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great para/p)
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To: Twotone

Look, you people are viewing this all wrong. Where the heck did you get the idea that you have a right to reliable power “any time you want it, anywhere you need it?” This isn’t a Journey moment, we’re talking Gaia here!


11 posted on 10/13/2012 10:09:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Why not eliminate the middle man and have whoever feeds Obama his lines debate Romney directly?")
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To: Twotone

oh well then. On to the backup green energy source .....unicorn f@rts.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 10:16:52 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Obama will fight for Big Bird with one hand and flip the bird to America with the other.)
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To: mjustice

I am looking for investors for my wind storage facility.
Why not be one of the first to benefit from this new technology!!!


13 posted on 10/13/2012 10:18:48 AM PDT by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: Twotone

Then there’s the fact that a windmill needs to be replaced every 20 years at best.


14 posted on 10/13/2012 10:29:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Ed Condon

When your “wind storage facility” has maintenance problems is ti called “breaking wind”?


15 posted on 10/13/2012 10:47:28 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Twotone

While this report has some nice points, I’d like to see someone with a “EE P.E.” after his name finally nail this coffin shut.

Ephemeral power sources destabilize the grid, especially when these ephemeral generation sources are so localized in the nation (or even regional) transmission grids. There’s limits to how quickly the grid can respond and spinning reserves scheduled onto the grid when the reserves are located in different parts of the grid than the ephemeral sources.

The number of these eyesore turbines going up in Wyoming is appalling... .especially because we’re peddling the power to idiots in places like California and Oregon. But the next eyesore to come will be huge transmission facilities (with redundancy) to allow more, “fatter” transmission paths between the ephemeral sources (wind and solar) and urban areas, while probably leaving the existing transmission facilities for the base load generation.


16 posted on 10/13/2012 10:51:40 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Twotone

I think the economics could be improved if we used the shredded poultry downstream to feed the starving victims of the Baraqqi Depression instead of EBT.


17 posted on 10/13/2012 10:53:24 AM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: txrefugee

That’s when ERCOT became a curse word for a lot of Texas, who found out that building all this green energy capacity upped their electric rates while causing black outs.


18 posted on 10/13/2012 11:03:08 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2

Just wait two years when the CREZ adder starts showing up on your monthly electric bill.

CREZ was the idea to build a new transmission grid over the top of the existing grid to transport wind generation to the load areas.


19 posted on 10/13/2012 11:50:12 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: txrefugee

“near-zero temperatures”

Wind Generators don’t run when it gets too hot, too cold, too windy or freezing rain. The Three Little Bears of Generation, they want it just right.

Oh yeal, their Production Tax Credit too!


20 posted on 10/13/2012 1:13:19 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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