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Northwood schoolgirl 'beats' Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein
Harrow Observer, UK ^ | Sep 13 2012 | Caitlin Black

Posted on 10/13/2012 2:57:36 PM PDT by James C. Bennett

ACHIEVING an IQ score higher than Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking seems almost impossible, but not for one young girl.

Northwood College School pupil, Fabiola Mann, of Harrow on the Hill, scored a remarkable IQ of 162 in this summer’s University of London’s (UCL) Mensa medical test. It is the highest possible score anyone can achieve in the UK and European test. The 15-year-old beat physicists Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein, who both scored 160 when they took it.

Being a whizz kid at puzzles and mathematical tests, Fabiola decided to give it a go, she sat the test on July 30 at UCL in Gower Street, central London, and received her results on August 20, she said: “When I got the results I couldn’t believe it. The three-hour test was quite intimidating as it was in a very formal setting. There were about 30 other people taking the test and with the exception of one other candidate they were all adults in their 20s and 30s.”

Mensa is a society for people with a high IQ, to take the three-hour test you have to be over 10-years-old. The scoring is amended marginally for 10 to 18-year-olds who can score a maximum of 162. Those over 18 can only score a maximum of 161.

After completing her GCSE’s and A-levels, Fabiola wants to study medicine at Cambridge University. She said: “I am excited to explore the new possibilities that something like this has opened up for me, beating Einstein and Hawking is pretty scary, I don’t think I will ever be able to measure up to what they have achieved but I hope to achieve my dream of being a successful doctor and helping others.”

Along with being a fan of science fiction books, Fabiola loves to play chess and martial arts.

Fabiola’s mother, Rene Mann, 46, said: “As parents we are very proud of Fabiola and we hope she will be able to use this gift in a meaningful way that helps others and utilises her potential.”

The headteacher of Northwood College, Jacqualyn Pain, said: “I was delighted to hear about Fabiola’s success. “At Northwood College we focus on raising young women who know their own minds and are creative and flexible thinkers, as well as being able to achieve outstanding results. We are all thrilled with Fabiola’s achievement.” Fabiola received her official certificate on Wednesday last week.



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UK teen of Goan [State in India] roots 'beats' Einstein's IQ

The Times of India

MARGAO: With a Mensa IQ score of 162, a 15-year-old London teenager with Goan roots has beaten Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking. Fabiola Mann's IQ has put her in the top 1% of intelligent people in the world, two points over the 160 scored by the scientific greats.

Mensa, founded in 1946 as a society for intelligent people, awarded Fabiola her membership certificate in August this year. The Harrow-on-the-Hill-resident, who wants to study medicine at Cambridge University and become a surgeon "because I like the idea of helping people", told STOI from London that she wasn't expecting the score.

"I had heard about Mensa and so decided to take their test," Fabiola said in an email. Being "always interested in puzzles", she "begged" her parents to apply for the test and paid the fee.

On July 30, the Northwood College School pupil sat down for a formal, supervised, three-hour test at the London UCL medical college. "The questions were slightly more confusing (from the practice IQ tests online) and we did not have much time to do them, so I could not really tell how I was doing," said Fabiola.

She had wait for a month for her scores instead of the customary two weeks as the results were lost in transit. "We went on holiday soon after (the test), and it was a month before I finally got a letter through the post telling me that I had an IQ of 162 and was invited to join Mensa. I was thrilled," said Fabiola.

Her mother Rene, a Margao native who moved to London in 1993 after marriage, said, "Obviously I had heard about Mensa and genius IQ level children, but I'm amazed that my own daughter is one."

Dad Anthony, who was born in England and is a lecturer, informed Fabiola's school, which in turn contacted local UK newspapers. Fabiola was interviewed by BBC in September and is also mentioned on the Mensa website. In her interview with 'Harrow Observer', the paper observed that "162 is the highest possible score anyone can achieve in the UK and European test".

Asked what the Mensa membership means to Fabiola, Rene, a news producer for Associated Press Television Network, told STOI from London, "People keep asking me the same thing, and to be honest I don't know. Hopefully it will mean an entry into the best universities and later job opportunities."

She quickly adds, "Of course Fabiola did not do (the test) for those reasons, these are just a mother's dreams. More than that, I hope she can go forward and realize her potential and do good in this world."

Fabiola's hobbies include martial arts — she has a purple belt in karate, and started taekwondo this year —chess and music. She plays the piano and guitar and according to her peers has an "amazing voice". She also loves creative writing and is currently working on a novel.

Fabiola's Margao-based grandparents Palikaran George, 79, and Teresa, 67, are "speechless" on their granddaughter's feat and can't wait for her to visit in December.

1 posted on 10/13/2012 2:57:43 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Good for her!


2 posted on 10/13/2012 3:00:54 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: James C. Bennett

Life’s a bitch and then you die. Be thankful that we have experienced the easiest life ever available to the human species. But humans are humans...and here we are.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 3:11:54 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: James C. Bennett

Mensa?

Isn’t that some kind of, like, a social club or something?

If you REALLY want to join with the high-IQ types, there is something called the “999” (Triple Nine), that is, in the 99.9 percentile.

Those folks must speak to the Mensa members slowly, and in words of no more than four syllables.


4 posted on 10/13/2012 3:12:00 PM PDT by alloysteel ("You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity".)
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To: James C. Bennett

The Muslims are not pleased.


5 posted on 10/13/2012 3:13:44 PM PDT by BipolarBob (G Orwell was an optimist it seems.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Only 162? I know of two talk show hosts who boast of higher scores. I am not going to name them.. one is a favorite and the other one’s show I like but only because his on-air staff cares the show.


6 posted on 10/13/2012 3:15:35 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The UK / Europe scale is different.


7 posted on 10/13/2012 3:18:17 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Here's an interesting question of the type typical of IQ tests. The thing to remember about such tests is to winnow away almost everything from the questions and leave only what is actually being asked.

That said, here is one that stumped even Einstein at first glance, and it fooled his friend.

Try the question before reading the except from Einstein's letter at the bottom.

Q1- Distance, Time, and Speed An old car has to travel a 2-mile route, uphill and down. Because it is so old, the car can climb the first mile—the ascent—no faster than an average speed of 15 mi/h. How fast does the car have to travel the second mile—on the descent it can go faster, of course—to achieve an average speed of 30 mi/h for the trip?

Problem 1 was sent to Albert Einstein by his friend Wertheimer. Einstein (and his friend Bucky) enjoyed the problems and wrote back to Wertheimer. Here is part of his reply:

Your letter gave us a lot of amusement. The first intelligence test fooled both of us (Bucky and me). Only on work-ing it out did I notice that no time is available for the down-hill run! Mr. Bucky was also taken in by the second example, but I was not.

Such drolleries show us how stupid we are!

(See Mathematical Intelligencer,Spring 1990, page 41.)

8 posted on 10/13/2012 3:20:48 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: allmendream

Very interesting! I actually scored higher. Didn’t help me much because I made poor decisions after becoming completely frustrated with what I was being taught in both public and private schools. Drove my Father crazy with my low grades, but I knew what I wanted to do, and I wasn’t getting the education I craved. So,,, I made bad decisions. Back then you kept your mouth shut and didn’t complain to adults.
I split to Milwaukee, leaving only the vaguest of trails. Mensa sought me out! I was astonished. They offered me membership, and I went to an introductory meeting. I stayed about 20 minutes. Never saw such a bunch of jerks before in my life! I’ve enjoyed my career in Music, but now really regret ever having played a note. Kinda sad,,,,,,,,,,, Debating whether to post this,,,, but no one knows who I am,,,, so I guess I will,,,,


9 posted on 10/13/2012 3:21:55 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: James C. Bennett

Oh, big deal. I scored a 164 when I was eighteen. Or, was that my weight? I get them mixed up.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 3:21:59 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

162 in Europe effectively means that no one can tell what the actual intelligence level is...who could design such a test, who could score it?

190-200 range means pretty much the same thing on this side of the world.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 3:23:17 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: alloysteel
Mensa? Isn’t that some kind of, like, a social club or something?

I've known some Mensa members. They tend to be people with high-IQs, but whose life accomplishments don't manage to keep pace. High-IQ people who accomplish things generally manage to have no problems associating with other sharp people.

12 posted on 10/13/2012 3:23:52 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: James C. Bennett

Med school would be a waste of time for her.


13 posted on 10/13/2012 3:26:29 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: James C. Bennett

Thanks for the clarification.. the two I referenced claim scores in the mid-160s.


14 posted on 10/13/2012 3:28:27 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I was at such a gathering once. People were actually putting little stickers on their shirts with their IQ written on them with a black felt marker.

One girl said to me “This is really stupid, like attending a party where everyone writes their bra size on a name tag”

I suggested she do just that and she did, it was 34B and caused an uproar since from across the room it looked like 348 ...lol


15 posted on 10/13/2012 3:30:37 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Bobalu

Thanks for the additional information.. the two I referenced above claim scores in the mid-160s.. my guess is if what you pointed out gets back to them they each will add 30 (at least) to their scores. :)


16 posted on 10/13/2012 3:32:04 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: James C. Bennett

She’s obviously a smart cookie good at solving those IQ test riddles. But until she turns those smarts into something productive, she’s still very much removed from the likes of Einstein or Hawking.

Lots of paper-smart folks out there who don’t amount to much in the real world, for any number of reasons. I hope she will be able to capitalize on her mental gift.


17 posted on 10/13/2012 3:32:27 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Bobalu

Q1- Distance, Time, and Speed An old car has to travel a 2-mile route, uphill and down. Because it is so old, the car can climb the first mile—the ascent—no faster than an average speed of 15 mi/h. How fast does the car have to travel the second mile—on the descent it can go faster, of course—to achieve an average speed of 30 mi/h for the trip?

what am i missing here?
why is the answer not 45 mi/h?
there is no time factor mentioned in the problem.
???


18 posted on 10/13/2012 3:35:43 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Well the I've enjoyed my career in Music, but now really regret ever having played a note. comment makes me sad. As far back as I can remember I have admired any and all who had the gift and/or worked extremely hard to learn the discipline. I made sure that all three of my children got piano lessons, mainly because I knew it would be good for them and because I never had that opportunity.
19 posted on 10/13/2012 3:37:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

I bet Dennis Miller’s IQ is quite high, most stand-up comics are brilliant.

James Woods seems like the smartest celebrity I am aware of.

Obama is a mental midget, no way is he more than just a little above average.


20 posted on 10/13/2012 3:37:30 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: James C. Bennett
High IQ does not make you smart! Maybe a smart ass. A recent study printed in the WSJ noted that the higher your IQ the more self delusional you are. My garbage man is smarter than most PhD’s.

Rational thinking is a rare trait. We are all victims of emotion overtaking rational thought - look at the Libs, it is terminal for them.

21 posted on 10/13/2012 3:38:52 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Bobalu
Q1- Distance, Time, and Speed An old car has to travel a 2-mile route, uphill and down. Because it is so old, the car can climb the first mile—the ascent—no faster than an average speed of 15 mi/h. How fast does the car have to travel the second mile—on the descent it can go faster, of course—to achieve an average speed of 30 mi/h for the trip?

I'm only in the 140s (U.S> scale), but it didn't take me long to figure this one out.

The problem is lends itself to easy calculation because it uses numbers that divide easily into 60.

The whole trip is two miles (one mile up and down). At 30 mph, we know that is one mile every two minutes. That means the trip has to be completed in 4 minutes. But at 15 mph, the car takes 4 minutes to make the climb, meaning the return trip has to be instantaneous to make the 30 mph mark.
22 posted on 10/13/2012 3:45:59 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: calljack

AS I said, with such questions you must get to what is actually being asked...careful attention to this will raise your score on any IQ test. This is one reason they are limited, because some people realize this and others do not.

What is asked here is, given two point separated by two miles, if it takes 4 minutes to go halfway can you cover the entire distance in exactly 4 minutes? Obviously not since even at light speed you cannot cover the remaining mile in 0.0 minutes. You could get very close but that is not good enough :-) i.e 29.99999...Avg Mph

The time factor is implicit in the phrase “average speed” i.e to have an average speed of 30mph you must cover two miles in exactly 4 minutes.

BTW, tho other question, the one that stumped Einsteins friend was this. (it seems rather simple to me)

2.Comparing Discounts Which price is better for the buyer, a 40% discount or two successive discounts of 20%?


23 posted on 10/13/2012 3:49:36 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: James C. Bennett

“...scored a remarkable IQ of 162 in this summer’s University of London’s (UCL) Mensa medical test. It is the highest possible score anyone can achieve in the UK and European test.”

That’s only because they haven’t measured Joe Biden yet.


24 posted on 10/13/2012 3:49:44 PM PDT by Zuse
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To: James C. Bennett

I only post on IQ threads because I like the term “standard deviation.”


25 posted on 10/13/2012 3:52:25 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Just mythoughts

“Well the I’ve enjoyed my career in Music, but now really regret ever having played a note. comment makes me sad.”

Ahh,,,, But I was born to be an Architect. Git the highest score ever achieved on the Architectural Aptitude Test. Kent State actually used my designs for a modular school building. Several were built in Ohio, and I don’t know where else. They never even informed me!


26 posted on 10/13/2012 3:52:37 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Bobalu

PLEASE tell me that the correct answer is “30mph”!


27 posted on 10/13/2012 3:52:45 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: Bobalu

40% discount is better


28 posted on 10/13/2012 3:52:50 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: LittleBillyInfidel

no it is not 30 mph

There is no answer, that’s the point of the question (which i just got (not on my own)


29 posted on 10/13/2012 3:55:02 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I scored very high on an IQ test and made the mistake of speaking of “genius level IQ”, my sister said “Shouldn't you actually accomplish something amazing before speaking of being a genius?”. Yikes! I play to a tough audience!
30 posted on 10/13/2012 3:55:30 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: LittleBillyInfidel
PLEASE tell me that the correct answer is “30mph”!

Nope, see post #22.
31 posted on 10/13/2012 3:55:52 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: calljack; Bobalu

Exactly what I was thinking.

Now... the exact number is unknown, due to the fact that the vehicle wouldn’t really have instantaneous acceleration.

The ‘time’ might help calculate the delta of the acceleration but that would only help on the uphill side.

Time is given in both cases, as speed is defined by ‘distance and time’ (mph).

Assuming ideological (and impossible) conditions...
1 mile at 15 mph +
1 mile at x mph = (15+x)/2

(15+x)/2=y

Given y=30
x=45

So.... what are we missing ?


32 posted on 10/13/2012 4:03:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Sheldon Cooper has a higher I.Q.


33 posted on 10/13/2012 4:07:32 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (,)
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To: Dr. Sivana

meaning the return trip has to be instantaneous

I got the same answer but now I’m stumped on how I can achieve instantaneous, I’m still working on it. The car is still at the top of the hill.


34 posted on 10/13/2012 4:08:31 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Dr. Sivana
That means the trip has to be completed in 4 minutes.

And just where does it state that the trip has to be completed in four minutes?

35 posted on 10/13/2012 4:12:44 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Joan Kerrey

Where does it say you only have four minutes ?


36 posted on 10/13/2012 4:16:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Northwood College School pupil, Fabiola Mann, of Harrow on the Hill, scored a remarkable IQ of 162 in this summer’s University of London’s (UCL) Mensa medical test. It is the highest possible score anyone can achieve in the UK and European test. The 15-year-old beat physicists Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein, who both scored 160 when they took it.

Oh, that's nothing. A couple of years back, we had a FReeper who claimed to have an IQ of 170. This same FReeper lost a $40,000 civil case, countersued the State of Washington for $15 million for being in collusion with the winning side based solely on a "knowing look", and predictably lost every appeal. He then tried to make a citizens' arrest against state Supreme Court Justice CJ Alexander, on RICO charges for not hearing his final appeal.

Let's just say that IQ numbers aren't all they're cracked up to be.

37 posted on 10/13/2012 4:22:03 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Bobalu
One girl said to me “This is really stupid, like attending a party where everyone writes their bra size on a name tag”
I suggested she do just that and she did, it was 34B and caused an uproar since from across the room it looked like 348 ...lol

I don't know who she is, but I like her. :)

Good/funny story, thanks for sharing it.

38 posted on 10/13/2012 4:24:45 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Alex Murphy

True, but this was on the UK scale, different from the US scale.


39 posted on 10/13/2012 4:25:06 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: calljack

You’ve got me scratching my head here and laughing. How can the car make it?


40 posted on 10/13/2012 4:25:23 PM PDT by golux
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To: UCANSEE2

And just where does it state that the trip has to be completed in four minutes?

It’s in the question itself. You must average 30mph the whole trip.

30mph is 2 miles per minute. The whole trip is two miles therefore at 15mph going up the hill it’ll take the entire 4 minutes doing the first uphill mile. There is no time left to do the second mile. It’d have to be a “beam me up Scotty” moment.


41 posted on 10/13/2012 4:28:02 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: James C. Bennett
abiola Mann's IQ has put her in the top 1% of intelligent people in the world

Actually, an IQ of 163 puts her in the top 0.0018%, or one person in 18,750. Anything over 135 is in the top 1%.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx

Many moons ago I scored 165 on a Mensa IQ test. The person administering the test read a long passage on an extremely obscure subject, in this case the minute details and terminology of ancient Greek religious practice (priests and sacrifices and such, as opposed to mythology) then I had an hour to complete a long timed multiple choice exam on the subject covered.

Unfortunately for the accuracy of the test at measuring my IQ, I had just the week before finished a long book on the subject at question.

Aced the test. The monitor about stroked out. LOL

42 posted on 10/13/2012 4:33:37 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: James C. Bennett
Umm, if there's a maxim,um score, then it isn't an actual "IQ"... the Intelligence Quotient is one's "mental age" divided by their physical age. If the 15 yr old has the ability of a 45 year old, then her IQ should be 300.

(Also, anyone who says their IQ "is" a certain number because of a test they took earlier in life, they are mistaken. That number was an indicator of their ability, divided by their physical age, but only AT THAT AGE AND THAT MOMENT IN TIME. The next year/month/week/day, their physical age changed, and thus so would their IQ (unless they advanced their mental acuity by the exactly correct proportion during that time).

Just sayin'.

(And yes, I had high scores as a child and as an adult, and was admitted to MENSA just for my SAT scores, way back when I was a much thinner 317.)

43 posted on 10/13/2012 4:33:50 PM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: UCANSEE2

To travel at an average speed of 15 mph means you will take 4 minutes to travel each mile.

To travel at an average speed of 30 mph means you will take 2 minutes to travel each mile.

Therefore, to average 30 mph for the 2 mile trip you must travel the distance in 4 minutes.

If you travel the first mile of the trip at 15 mph it will take 4 minutes.

So at the completion of the first mile you have already used up all the time available to average 30 mph.
Therefore it is impossible to complete the trip in the necessary time to average 30 mph.

If you travel the second mile at 45 mph, as has been suggested, it does not give you an average of 30 mph.

At 45 mph it will take an additional 1 min. 20 seconds to travel the second mile.
(60/45 = 1.333

That means the total time for the 2 mile trip is now 5 minutes 20 seconds.
(4 minutes for the first mile plus 1 1/3 minutes for the second mile)

Therefore the average time per mile is half of that, or 2 minutes 40 sec. (2.666 minutes).
That equates to an average speed of 22.5 mph for the 2 mile trip.
(60 minutes / 2.6666 = 22.5)


44 posted on 10/13/2012 4:36:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: Joan Kerrey
meaning the return trip has to be instantaneous

You are assuming facts not in evidence. The question is about that particular trip on that particular 2-mile section of road; there is no "return trip" mentioned.

45 posted on 10/13/2012 4:36:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

There is a short story by Aldous Huxley very much like this.


46 posted on 10/13/2012 4:38:13 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: stubernx98
My garbage man is smarter than most PhD’s.

Your garbage man isn't going to send humans and things to space, develop life saving medical treatments, wreck the economy on a massive scale, and etc...

47 posted on 10/13/2012 4:40:44 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: OneWingedShark

the “return trip” is the downhill trip back to the starting point. hence “return”


48 posted on 10/13/2012 4:40:47 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Iron Munro

There is no limitation on ‘time’ given in the ‘test question’.


49 posted on 10/13/2012 4:43:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Attended one and only one Mensa meeting.

Several people were sitting around reassuring each other that the world’s problems would be solved if Mensa members were given absolute power.

I pointed out that my goals for society were diametrically opposite to their’s.

Intelligence is a tool, it is only a tool. Like any other tool, it can be used wisely or foolishly. The major difference between a really smart person and anyone else is that the smart guy has greater potential to do good, or to cause a lot of damage.


50 posted on 10/13/2012 4:43:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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