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Need FRiend Help -- Home Burglar Alarm
Self | 10/13/12 | Self

Posted on 10/13/2012 9:21:32 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom

There has been a big wave of home burglaries in our town and area lately, so we are finally going to get a home alarm system. I'm thinking of going with a local guy who does old-fashioned wired systems and uses Napco equipment. Mrs. POF thinks alarms are a nuisance and, after talking with friends, thinks that we'll use if a few weeks and then stop using it. I'm used to arming and disarming the alarm at our small business office (her, too, at a different office), so I think we'll have the discipline to use it all the time.

What are your experiences with home alarms? Too many false alarms? Too many payments to the PD for false alarms? Do you use it all the time? Or did you stop using it? Has it foiled burglars? Do you use wired or wireless? Do you use a monitoring service?

All thoughts and info greatly appreciated.

POF


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: burglary; crime; vanity
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1 posted on 10/13/2012 9:21:36 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

A home alarm is to tell you to prepare to defend yourself with whatever means necessary, preferably firearms.

This coming from someone that’s lived in NYC most of their lives. Over here, an alarm tripped by a few humans means you’re about to die.


2 posted on 10/13/2012 9:23:38 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Not sure why your still there...

When crime went up in my last homes area I didn’t buy an alarm.

I put up a for sale sign and moved.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 9:26:29 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I remember reading a survey of crooks a long time ago. When asked what was the #1 deterrent to them robbing a home, they responded with a wide range of answers. But a closer look at the results showed that almost to a survey, the crooks listed having dogs as a deterrence.

I recommend two dogs and if possible, a small noisy one along with a big mean one.


4 posted on 10/13/2012 9:26:51 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

http://www.alarmforce.com/

never used um myself. the dog is a great doorbell (if you want me to know your here or not) but their system looks impressive.

Be sure to do your own homework on who ever you chose.

I’d still move.


5 posted on 10/13/2012 9:28:32 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: taxcontrol

Little one with a deep bark works too..

I hear a NRA sticker on the door works too ;)


6 posted on 10/13/2012 9:29:43 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

PFL


7 posted on 10/13/2012 9:31:21 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Wired alarm, not monitored, used every exit since '77, had some skid marks out of the drive way the first week as they tried a back window, they got it up 1 inch and roared out of the drive way.

I set it off a few times a year so they know it's here.

8 posted on 10/13/2012 9:31:21 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

Every window and door, interior and exterior is alarmed.


9 posted on 10/13/2012 9:34:01 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

Ground the main panel to prevent / cut down on false alarms.


10 posted on 10/13/2012 9:35:35 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: taxcontrol
I recommend two dogs and if possible, a small noisy one along with a big mean one.

Very good advice. I have 130 lbs. of canine protection between two dogs that will have to be reckoned with before worrying what I have pointed at you. Their bark alone will send most running away. I'll gladly dispatch those that don't.
11 posted on 10/13/2012 9:38:58 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

We never stopped using ours. It’s a matter of self-discipline.

Make sure you get one that has a monster back-up battery that will last for a week or so if there’s a major power outage. Also, if your system is going to work through a phone landline, make sure the installer thoroughly buries or hardens the lines so they can’t be sabotaged from outside. Personally, I prefer the landline to wifi-mediated systems. In my area wifi goes out from time to time, and it’s hackable.

I also liked the feature that detects the sound of breaking glass or wood. In a large house you might not notice someone fooling around pretty far away.

When I first got my system, the actual alarm was in a central location in the house. One night the alarm went off, and since I was asleep in my bedroom upstairs with the door closed, the air-conditioner on, and a pillow over my head, I didn’t hear it. After that I got a supplemental alarm for my bedroom.

A final word of warning: if you have young male children or grandchildren, do not ever ever ever say, “Now, sweetie, don’t touch this button here, because if you do the police and firetrucks will come.” Ever ever ever. Ever. Ask me how I know!


12 posted on 10/13/2012 9:39:36 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

I’ve done the same with good results too. I covered the garage with a motion light wired to a salvage buzzer from a fire station. It was so loud it hurt your ears and I had a hidden switch. It went off once due to attempted theft but they flew away fast. After that like you said test a few times a year so they know its still there. Monitored can be expensive with false alarms. Also the IP cameras around your property are nice.


13 posted on 10/13/2012 9:40:06 PM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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Wireless all the way. We’re on an ADT monitored system and it’s worked well for us. Very reliable with exactly zero false alarms in 6 years. We’ve the system by accident, but when the central station calls up within about 10 seconds we give them our passphrase and that’s as far as it goes. No PD/FD calls dispatched.

Only downside to a wireless system is batteries fail after about 3-4 years. Get a bunch off eBay and replace ‘em youself when the original ones fail.

The best accessory you can buy is/are remote controls for your key ring. You can arm/disarm the system without touching the keypad. Great when you’re coming home with an armful of groceries!

Dogs and guns are good, too, of course, but I can’t stress how much peace of mind we have with a good alarm installed (and regularly tested). Alarm systems can’t be bribed with steaks or doggie treats. If you’re in a really crappy crime-ridden area, pay the extra amount for wireless radio backup (basically a cellphone connected to the panel, in case the vermin cut your phone line).


14 posted on 10/13/2012 9:41:37 PM PDT by NJRadioGuy (Which part of "shall not be infringed" confuses you?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

GSD or Doberman. But a little yapper would work too.


15 posted on 10/13/2012 9:44:28 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: taxcontrol

Forget dogs.

500 pound bengal tiger with vocal chords removed.

This way the bad guys get in......but they never leave!


16 posted on 10/13/2012 9:55:07 PM PDT by Roccus (ABLE DANGER????.......What's an ABLE DANGER????)
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To: NJRadioGuy

I had ADT for 20 years, alarm tripped at least 100 times....they never even called! ADT sucks. Go local with someone who runs a business in or near ur town.

Wireless is great if you live somewhere where the power never goes out.. or cable for that matter. Weather is always a factor.
Course I have a generator and a dog!


17 posted on 10/13/2012 9:59:48 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: ottbmare
Good idea about the phone line. Yea they do cut them. My dad was a phone tech. He had a regular call about twice a year to a guys home to put a dead drop wire back up to the guys house LOL. The drop was not connected but the crooks sure thought so :>}. The actual line connected elsewhere.

One other thing. Many alarms will SEIZE the phone line to phone the alarm company. That is something to consider. If you have a cell phone no problem. If you are wanting to call the alarm company and cancel you have to wait until the alarm releases the phone line.

18 posted on 10/13/2012 10:00:09 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: taxcontrol

>>But a closer look at the results showed that almost to a survey, the crooks listed having dogs as a deterrence.

I don’t live in the USA but even so was tempted to post the same thing. I know here in Thailand a pack (2 or more) of big dogs guarding the house is a terrific deterrent. Break-ins are rife but almost non-existent where there are guard dogs, except in isolated areas where there might be time to poison them unnoticed.


19 posted on 10/13/2012 10:03:10 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: cableguymn
Little one with a deep bark works too.. I hear a NRA sticker on the door works too ;)

Haha... I have a friend who is perfectly comfortable with his wife's toy poodles and his AK-47.
20 posted on 10/13/2012 10:03:20 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: NJRadioGuy
Alarm systems can’t be bribed with steaks or doggie treats.

Neither can my dogs, as they are sleeping on the floor on my wife's side of the bed. Any nocturnal sound will have a consequence decided by two very competitive canines on a mission. It's best to not be that guy that made the noise. Not a thing against alarm systems, just my two cents worth, backed by 40 years being protected by man's best friend.
21 posted on 10/13/2012 10:06:07 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: DJlaysitup

“the dog will bite you. The owner will shot you”

Or.

“Don’t worry about the dog. Beware of owner”


22 posted on 10/13/2012 10:08:33 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cva66snipe

But you don’t want the alarm to relinquish the line before calling the cops. In a home invasion situation, you do not want the bad guys to be able to in any way prevent that outbound automated call or inbound human call from the alarm company. You want the alarm system to seize the line and call out. Call the alarm company with your cell phone to cancel the alarm, if necessary.

Of course, the limiting factor on the protection the system gives is the response time of the local cops. If they are told an alarm has been triggered at a residence, they don’t usually lay rubber getting there. You need a dog and a bunch of guns.

In addition, you need to think about and rehearse how you will deal with cops when they do show up so that everyone involved is safe. The cops will probably ask you to leave the house and walk away from it with them so they can make sure you’re not being constrained.


23 posted on 10/13/2012 10:09:19 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Instead a of a siren, how about a PA system that plays the sound of a 12 gauge racking a round into the chamber, with a Biden giggle voice-over...


24 posted on 10/13/2012 10:13:49 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1362 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; xzins

I just put up some signs from an alarm company (I don’t actually have an alarm) and a “Beware of Dog” sign (I have a cat) and I park my truck that has an NRA sticker in the back window in the driveway.

So far the only intruder I’ve encountered was a raccoon who came in the cat door.

I don’t think the raccoon could read. He left before I could shoot him.


25 posted on 10/13/2012 10:15:56 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: ottbmare
"A final word of warning: if you have young male children or grandchildren, do not ever ever ever say, “Now, sweetie, don’t touch this button here, because if you do the police and firetrucks will come.”

You brought back a great memory from when my oldest son was 3. Exact situation you describe! I have pictures of him sitting in the fire truck pretending to drive, and the police man showed him all the switches in the car, and he got a tour of the ambulance ... Great lesson that was :~)

I'm just glad everyone was in a good mood and understanding that day.

Thanks for making me laugh again about that ottbmare!

26 posted on 10/13/2012 10:16:42 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: taxcontrol
after my husband passed away on the farm, I had ADT put in, had it go off once, and the cops were there pretty fast especially for a rural area....also consider a motion detector in a vulnerable place....being rural, they also put up a outside alarm, and had a battery backup...your phone line gets cut, your alarm doesn't go off (but that was about 20 years ago...I had 5 doors wired, but what surprised me is the company said more break ins are via a window....I had downstairs about 15 windows and was informed not to wire the windows, a bird flying into a window can give a false alarm (happens frequently in the country) Even an extreme wind storm might set off a window alarm... I had wood double hung windows and my instructor said to drill a hole that will go through the top and bottom, get a 3 or 4 inch nail, drill where the upper and lower windows meet.(in other words, with the window closed...Insert nail just a little smaller than the hole drilled. You can take the nail out to open the windows during the day and put the nail in during the night...most window break ins they will bust the window on top and unlock the window and open it.....Cannot do that if you have the nail in place, window won't open....if you have aluminum windows your on your own. I didn't put window alarms in, saved me money with that little tip...just did the doors, 5 of them... If you have a 2 story house you will need a pad upstair and downstairs...
27 posted on 10/13/2012 10:17:59 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Either a 45, 357 or 9mm!!! Large dog to warn you!


28 posted on 10/13/2012 10:18:12 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: jy8z

The one downside to a mean dog is, if he takes a chunk out of an intruder, the guy could sue you and he could win big time money. It has happened.


29 posted on 10/13/2012 10:25:20 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

My favorite was the freeper who suggested a BIG dog bowl on the front porch (or in easy sight of intruders) with the name “Brutus” painted on it and a heavy chain with a broken link beside it, and a note saying, “Hey, Bubba-—we went to go get more beer and ammo. Don’t go in the house. I think Brutus injured somebody ‘cause there’s blood all over his muzzle so I put him in the house. I wouldn’t go in ‘til we get back and Brutus has a chance to settle down.”


30 posted on 10/13/2012 10:32:37 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
This is all the warning an intruder gets...


31 posted on 10/13/2012 10:33:04 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Very interesting timing. The house next door was burgled yesterday. My 88 year-old Mom got between the perp and his exit; he just jumped around her instead of bulling her over.

There is now a video system around the house.

We use ADT and have been very happy with the service and security. I highly recommend them.

When you get a system, make sure that the crooks know it. Stickers everywhere and some goods in sight. Deterrence is a good thing. You may notice that many people prefer confrontation. You have 50/50 odds should that happen.


32 posted on 10/13/2012 10:40:26 PM PDT by Loud Mime (arguetheconstitution.com)
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To: fatnotlazy

My dogs are not mean. They are super protective of my wife and grandson. Any confrontation would be inside our house. The dogs live here, the bitten intruder does not. TX courts recognize this.


33 posted on 10/13/2012 10:41:38 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

A chihuahua and a pump mossberg 20 ga. The dynamic duo.


34 posted on 10/13/2012 10:44:48 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

err 12


35 posted on 10/13/2012 10:45:31 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Just a little tip a friend of mine learned the hard way.
His alarm system notified him via cell phone that someone had entered his home without invite.
He made sure that his 9mm was ready to run and headed home to confront the intruders. They entered his home (2 of them) with only a knife, but by the time he arrived and rushed through the door, they had found his Colt 1911 and his Mossberg 500, making them much better armed than he was. He did survive the incident, but learned a valuable lesson about locking up the guns you don’t take with you in a secure safe before leaving the house.
A large percentage of criminals do not enter a home with a gun. No sense handing them your own firepower to use against you if you beat the cops there when the alarm goes off. :-)


36 posted on 10/13/2012 10:50:30 PM PDT by Chance Hart
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To: P-Marlowe

Well, deers can read so why wouldn’t a raccoon?

http://thestir.cafemom.com/home_garden/144958/ditzy_woman_begs_to_move


37 posted on 10/13/2012 10:58:58 PM PDT by peggybac (Hope and Change has become Divide and Conquer)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I am very lo-tech. I have about a 5 feet wide band of leaves around the outside of the house, so it'll be hard to sneak up to the house without making noise. I've also installed one-way internal locks on three rooms such that an intruder will be confronted with a locked door between him and the rest of the house.

I have 2 dogs, a security front door, lighting around the house, and of course, accessible firearms.

The only time I'll call police is to remove a body. I prefer as little contact as possible with public employee union members of any type.

38 posted on 10/13/2012 11:10:52 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ottbmare
But you don’t want the alarm to relinquish the line before calling the cops. In a home invasion situation, you do not want the bad guys to be able to in any way prevent that outbound automated call or inbound human call from the alarm company. You want the alarm system to seize the line and call out. Call the alarm company with your cell phone to cancel the alarm, if necessary.

Of course, the limiting factor on the protection the system gives is the response time of the local cops. If they are told an alarm has been triggered at a residence, they don’t usually lay rubber getting there. You need a dog and a bunch of guns.

In addition, you need to think about and rehearse how you will deal with cops when they do show up so that everyone involved is safe. The cops will probably ask you to leave the house and walk away from it with them so they can make sure you’re not being constrained.

I'm a retired maintenance mechanic and worked in a retirement/assisted living/health care facility. I was first responder to all alarms on the complex when I was working. We had about 40 houses that had alarms. The phones would stay seized sometimes even after I got there {several minutes later} or while I was trying to call and cancel. That was especially true if it was a power issue such as the battery or a storm was in the area etc. If you have cell phone service no problem. All I had was a radio to my dispatcher {switchboard operator} who didn't have the codes.

For my home I'm low tech. I have 2-3 outside motion sensors set up on different chanels on the driveway. Crooks won't see them. I also have a 24/7 Two Terrier Security Service ativated inside the house when we're home. Two Terriers have very sensitive hearing for detecting Rats. Two Terrier System though alerts me to cars coming up the diveway and phone ringing especially my cell which I can't hear that well when asleep and my hearing aids out. I'll have pistol in hand before anyone can gain entry though. :>}

I also have a sign on my entry door "To All Responding Agencies" then some radio communication codes in case I'm not home. LOL.

39 posted on 10/13/2012 11:22:18 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

check with your local PD re: annual/bi-annual permit costs -around here a false alarm with no permit means a fine; with a permit the locals allow two false alarms per year before the fines fly. cost of permit is minimal-your mileage may vary.

I don’t pay a monitoring service but I do spend a small fortune on goodies for my 4-legged monitors. My neighbors down the valley can hear the (more than one) sirens and they all carry long guns anyway for rabid coyotes, bigfoot and other such varmits. In town, tho, I’d definitely have monitoring - and a safe room, if at all possible.

I’m not a fan of wi-fi systems but they’re useful for gates/outbuildings. I prefer hardwired interior walls/windowframes, motion detectors, break sensors, electronic interior/exterior door locking, and cameras - with redundant battery backups and more than one control point.


40 posted on 10/13/2012 11:28:19 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: cva66snipe

Sounds like we subscribe to the same school of thought on homeland security!


41 posted on 10/13/2012 11:28:51 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Sounds like we subscribe to the same school of thought on homeland security!

Yea more or less. My dad and I once built our own system though. A very basic and very reliable burgular alarm with a motor driven siren. We built it when I was about 14 years old out of some discarded relays he got from work.

The codes on my door aren't for the crooks benifit although it would make them stop and think LOL. It simply informs a cop, fireman, or parimedic, that in the event of a medical or fire emergency someone may be in the front bedroom and to do a welfare check. It's so they can get my wife out of the house. It also has two phone numbers one is my cell always with me. On the other hand if I had put up a wheelchair symbol outside that leaves her more vunerable. The codes only tell those who need to know what they need to know. Oh and she can single action a 38 SP I leave her with. When I'm home the 357's go back in. :>}

42 posted on 10/13/2012 11:52:43 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: JDoutrider

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43 posted on 10/14/2012 12:39:41 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

(AWW! just realized I didn’t get a Never Mind The Dog, Beware of Wife sign for our anniversary :-/)

Have you considered the travel kind? Several people on 2 other forums I belong to have recommended them in the past. My experiences with alarms & security companies have been less than stellar. My experience with car alarms in the 80s was a nightmare. Although 2 of my boys & one of my girls are dangerous, uncrated, to anyone who came in unexpectedly (or otherwise), I actually got armed to protect the dogs.

I’m assuming you want an alarm for the warning value, rather than a help-is-on-the-way.


44 posted on 10/14/2012 12:51:02 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The whole idea is to make your house look more difficult than the neighbors. Alarms work as do dogs but it depends on local conditions the dogs and you.

We’ve had an alarm for 14 years and recently had a breakin. We think its because the bushes had overgrown the sign. They weren’t in the house long probably due to the alarm. Internal measures also help by making it difficult to find valuables. They did take the $20 I left in a top drawer as a distraction but left the .45 sitting next to it. They also dropped my brand new HDTV in the driveway.

Cops responded quickly and cleared the house then left fingerprint powder everywhere. Then there’s the “how many guns do you have sir?” questions.


45 posted on 10/14/2012 3:27:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The best has chemical detection down to ppm single digits! And motion detection to pretty low levels. Mobile and hides in the shadows. At 105 lbs he is a bit large but he comes with significant, shall we say “offensive” capabilities, that are deterrent. Of course he eats quite a bit and one has to clean up poop. His name is Ryder. He is a Doberman.


46 posted on 10/14/2012 3:43:20 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“What are your experiences with home alarms?” Have used them since 2001.

“Too many false alarms? Too many payments to the PD for false alarms?” Never happened with us.

“Do you use it all the time? Or did you stop using it?” We arm all the time when leaving the house, and at night before bed. When DH travels and I’m home alone, I arm when inside.

“Has it foiled burglars?” Not sure; perhaps the signs have deterred potential burglars.

Do you use wired or wireless? We used wired because of our remote location; celluar isn’t dependable for the provider most security companise use.

“Do you use a monitoring service?” Yes.

Also, we have guns. In Tennessee, it seems that almost every home has guns. Just that knowledge alone should deter burglars, but there are areas were drugged out meth cookers don’t think logically and continue to rob homes.


47 posted on 10/14/2012 4:28:43 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Have ADT monitored as a deterrent. Have guns and ammo as a solution.


48 posted on 10/14/2012 5:13:12 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The only alarm systems I see advertised are good for white criminals who run away as soon as the alarm goes off.

I haven’t seen any advertised as good for black criminals who will rape, kill and rob you before the police show up.


49 posted on 10/14/2012 5:57:57 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: acapesket

About a year ago I read an article about how criminals love to break into houses with ADT signs in the yard.

The reason was that they could break into the house and it would take about 15 minutes before anyone came to investigate why the alarm went off.

It takes only 5 minutes to go to the master bedroom, get all of the goodies and leave.

I have a vicious mini-dachshund that is the best alarm one could have....and signs on my doors and windows stating that a break-in will result in death.


50 posted on 10/14/2012 6:25:35 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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