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Two SEALs ruin October Surprise
Author ^ | 10/14/2012 | Kozy

Posted on 10/14/2012 8:28:48 AM PDT by Kozy

The murder of Ambassador Stevens at Benghazi is Obama's October surprise gone bad thanks to two former SEALS who were not supposed to be at Benghazi. But then I ran to the end of the story so let's back fill the datapoints.

First President Morsi first public statement to us was that he wanted the blind iman who first bombed the WTC released. Now Obama forever dedicated to appeasing the muslim world, bowing to them comes natural to him, knew that he had to obey Morsi's request however he couldn't release Omar Abdul-Rahman. There had to be a reason powerful enough to warrant his release. What better than to return to the Carter era of American hostages?

Obama sees a way to release the iman and secure his reelection in one act. So the wheels are set in motion. So he needed a cover story. Oh, the You Tube video that no one has seen, released in July. America could be shamed into releasing the iman because someone posted an obscure video and we have to follow Obama's lead and bow to muslims.

Next weaken the security at Benghazi by removing the security teams and employing Libyan bodyguards for the ambassador. In effect the embassy could not defend itself. The back channel had to be from the WH to the iman's legal representatives. It was suggested that Obama needed a reason to release the iman that America could agree to. What better than hostages? They were informed that there were no security forces at Benghazi to defend Stevens so over run the embassy and take him hostage. Really easy.

What was not planned for were former SEALS Donerty and Woods. They were not part of Stevens security detail; they happened to be in Benghazi working for the CIA to located missing surface-to-air missiles.

So the terrorists plan the assault on the embassy thinking there would be no resistance. Well two SEALS never back down from defending America and Americans. These two heros gave their lives fighting to protect our embassy and our ambassador. No telling how many peaceful muslim they transported to the after life however the terrorists who thought this was just a walk in the park protect now sought out the Americans to kill them not hold them captive. The over throw went from hostage taking to killing.

Now the WH knew the plan had blown up. There were no hostages only dead Americans. How to cover? Roll out the 14 minute video, no one has seen, as the cause. The WH cover up was in play.

With the killing of Ambassador Stevens, there could be no exchange, no October surprise. Oh what was the October surprise? Well Obama would spend a month negotiating with the terrorists for the release of Ambassador Stevens and finally and after his focused efforts on saving Stevens' live, Stevens would be released just before the election. Obama would have sucked out all the energy from the campaign as everyone would be watching him, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, negotiate for the release of Stevens. The world would applaud him, the muslim would have their murderous iman back, he would be reelected and the destruction of America who go on.

We can only thank every day these SEALS for defending America with their lives.

A lot of datapoints, Benghazi, President Morsi, SEALS, blind iman, 14 minute You Tube video; withdrawal of security from embassy, October surprise and Obama's October surprise.

Wonder which story makes more sense? Mine of the one the WH spins every day that keeps changing as the lies are exposed.


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To: skeeter
The libs always thought Reagan won by doing something similar.

Reagan had Carter looking weak and stupid because our embassy was being held hostage. Carter won no points by having hostages taken then doing nothing....appeasement in giving up the blind creepy terrorist would have gone over worse than sitting around and taking it!

51 posted on 10/14/2012 9:57:27 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: gaijin
The whole made for tv script came apart because two SEALS were at Benghazi. No one had planned for that. The SEALS became the ambassador's security and rewrote the script thus saving America.
I do not believe Stevens was part of the plan. A good plan works when few people know what is going on. Also more realistic in negotiations that he doesn't know of the plan. When questioned afterward he will tell the truth according to what he knows and block any further digging into exactly what happened. He was no in the plan as a designer of said plan.
52 posted on 10/14/2012 9:59:08 AM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: gaijin
Eric Nordstrom said 'the Taliban is inside the building"....what building, the WHITE HOUSE with Hussein, the Muslim.....the State dept, with Hillary, who hired the released GITMO Al Queda detaineee named Qumo... and Muslim Brotherhood HUMA ABEDIN???? The Pentagon? The CIA with the LYING General Patraeus??

WHO, ERIC?? What building, ERIC??

53 posted on 10/14/2012 10:00:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kozy

Yes, it makes sense. And you can add that there have been some pretty plausible suggestions that the guy who MADE that video was actually a Muslim terrorist himself, not a Copt as the White House keeps telling us. It was made ahead of time, ready to be brought out and used for the October surprise.

They could care less how many Christians in Egypt get killed in retribution, just as long as Obama gets re-elected. In fact, the more the merrier, as far as Hussein is concerned.


54 posted on 10/14/2012 10:01:25 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Kozy

Hillbuzz did an article and radio spot about this on the 8th. It does make sense of a lot of questions and I TOTALLY believe that obama would be cocky enough to try something like this.

http://hillbuzz.org/did-obama-deliberately-try-to-stage-a-hostage-taking-in-benghazi-as-an-october-surprise-pr-stunt-that-blew-up-in-his-face-listen-live-at-330pm-cst-to-find-out-52149


55 posted on 10/14/2012 10:01:36 AM PDT by Linfell
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To: griswold3

Sean Smith MUST have known the plan since he sent out the message “If we live thru the night” or something close to that.


56 posted on 10/14/2012 10:02:02 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kozy
Stevens would be released just before the election

In trade for a utility terrorist to be named later?

Your theory, sadly, sounds plausible.

57 posted on 10/14/2012 10:02:14 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You definitely sound like a true spineless lib.


58 posted on 10/14/2012 10:02:22 AM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of a 8 yr old son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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To: gaijin

I think the relesed Gitmo Al Queda’s name is Qumo.....according to an article “Weapons Hunting”.


59 posted on 10/14/2012 10:04:29 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kozy

Another piece of the puzzle I have been looking for is who did the “apology in advance” (of the 9-11 attack)?

I recall it coming from the Embassy itself. Anybody have that? tnx...

.


60 posted on 10/14/2012 10:05:08 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: bronxville

What pictures....and who were they sent to??


61 posted on 10/14/2012 10:05:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kozy

This sounds plausable, more so than whatever else is circulating. Except for a few glitches. I don’t understand how a known exchange, a proof of dealing with terrorists, would come close to guaranteeing his re-election. Reagan’s deal wasn’t described as Arms for Hostages until well after he became president. Who would believe that Obammy struck fear into the hearts of the enemy? Secondly, the timing is far too obvious, especially now that most of the facts are known by those who really wanted to know the fact. Third, what are the chances that Stevens was brought into this “surprise” and acquiesced? How reliable would his actions have been if he had NOT been brought into the picture? And who in this administration would have dared expose him (and his preferences) to the homophobes in Libya and thus to the American media? Lastly, the two Navy Seals could have been “handled” and apparently were.

As to a different surprise? Too late and too obvious.


62 posted on 10/14/2012 10:06:18 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: bert
FReepers fail to give the enemy credit for the ability to act and conduct a war.

While others choose to ignore facts right in front of their faces.

The simple solution is that there is a war and the incident was a well planned and successful enemy assault that killed a high level target.

What makes you think terrorists would think a single ambassador was a desirable target? No matter how 'popular' he was with some of the people there, he would just be replaced.

You're underestimating the enemy if you think they would make such a maximum effort for a minimal result.

Had they continued to occupy the embassy...maybe. Had they held the bodies and submitted a list of demands for their return....perhaps.

But just to kill less than a handful of Americans and parade the dead ambassador bare-assed through the streets?

Sorry. I'm not buying it.

63 posted on 10/14/2012 10:06:55 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Travis McGee

A penny for your thoughts.


64 posted on 10/14/2012 10:10:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Ann Archy

Good question, Ann

For those who do not know who Eric Nordstrom is, here is a brief quote from the Washington Times:

“Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified he was criticized for seeking more security. He said conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was “abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?””

“He said his exasperation reached a point where he told a colleague that “for me the Taliban is on the inside of the building.””

Read more: FACT CHECK: Slips on Libya, Syria, auto bailout in vice presidential debate - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/11/fact-check-slips-libya-syria-auto-bailout-vice-pre/#ixzz29II2crfR
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


65 posted on 10/14/2012 10:12:38 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. EdmondBurke)
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To: Kozy
This scenario makes lots of sense. Connecting the dots with your explanation is better than the garbage coming out of the white house.
66 posted on 10/14/2012 10:17:52 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: Kozy

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/09/21/boldly-into-the-breach/

Kozy,
Thanks for that link. Those two SEALs are TRUE HEROS.


67 posted on 10/14/2012 10:21:23 AM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (Choootem Lizabith Chooootem)
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To: MamaTexan

Had you been paying attention you would know the testimony in front of the Congress was something to the effect that All the others were gone, we were the last flag flying and they were coming after us.

The scenario proposed is merely the most recent of many many FReeper conspiracies that are argued infinitum but have no basis in fact.


68 posted on 10/14/2012 10:26:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Persevero

“It’s 9/11 anniversary in Libya. Why on that day, or on ANY day, would we not have Marines guarding our embassy?”

Exactly! Instead, we had “security” from “The February 17th Martyrs’ Brigade”. Libya basically said don’t worry, our guys can protect your embassy...WTF? This administration is a TREASONOUS disgrace!!!


69 posted on 10/14/2012 10:26:59 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Ann Archy

All the above.


70 posted on 10/14/2012 10:27:08 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kozy

The missing manpads are the key. Follow them. There is the story.


71 posted on 10/14/2012 10:30:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kozy

We’re going to pay to get those manpads back. Oh, how we’re going to pay. Obama and Hillary lost those weapons. Be sure to thank your friends and neighbors who vote Democrat.


72 posted on 10/14/2012 10:32:43 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kozy

Those Americans were killed to protect the manpads and drive up the extortion money we’ll have to pay to get them back. And they’ll use that extortion money to fight against us. Obama and Hillary lost them.


73 posted on 10/14/2012 10:35:39 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: JDoutrider

mark


74 posted on 10/14/2012 10:41:35 AM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Bizzy Bugz; mickie; flaglady47
Thanks, BB, for the link. I might have missed this thread.

This theory, if correct, makes my blood run cold. It runs cold because with this administration in charge, it is SO possible the theory is correct.

In any event, I get emotional when I think of what our heroes went through in their last hours of life in that embassy before they were mowed down fighting to their last breaths. What horrible, unnecessary deaths!

I say close down all our embassy compounds in each and every third-world, dangerous enemy hell hole,

Why should we taxpayers be paying through the nose to support the local economies of terrorists and savages who are just biding their time to storm an American diplomatic compound and murder everyone in it?

Leni

75 posted on 10/14/2012 10:47:09 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Mach9
I can't see Obama handing over the blind sheik before the election. Of course the mainstream medi would be effusive in their praise for such a deal, but it wouldn't go over with ordinary Americans, and both sides are trying to get as many independents as possible.

After the election, he will have more flexibility.

76 posted on 10/14/2012 10:50:23 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kozy

Interesting.


77 posted on 10/14/2012 10:51:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MamaTexan

But just to kill less than a handful of Americans and parade the dead ambassador bare-assed through the streets?

Sorry. I’m not buying it.


Their real mission was to free The Blind Sheik and their ally was/is Vallerie Jarrett.


78 posted on 10/14/2012 10:51:58 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Kozy
What you say makes so much sense...very believable. Maybe that that's what all the "Allah be praised" when they found Stevens still alive.

They got him to hospital (their story on hospital) but he was dead.

So, "shit, shit, shit". The plan unraveled with Stevens death.

By the way, the video was posted in July? Who knew enough about this video to parade it about at this particular time for what looks like a particular situation - the video narrative starting "riots"?

79 posted on 10/14/2012 10:53:23 AM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A SCAM.)
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To: Kozy

Bump


80 posted on 10/14/2012 10:54:58 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Ann Archy

“Assuming we don’t die tonight,” the message, which was first reported by Wired, read. “We saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/diplomat-killed-in-libya-to-fellow-gamers-assuming-dont-die-tonight/#ixzz29IQfDOhF

Sorry, I don’t know who they were sending them to I’m assuming the terrorists. And why were they taking pictures?
Did they want to ID all fo them or someone specific.


81 posted on 10/14/2012 10:55:18 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: Kozy

Thank you, this makes all the pieces fit together.


82 posted on 10/14/2012 10:57:25 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Kozy

I agree —i think it’s VERY unlikely Stevens knew of the plan.

It just adds more risk to an already risky operation.


83 posted on 10/14/2012 10:58:03 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: MissMagnolia

“My “dream” scenario .... Seal Team 6 perp walking Obama & The Mooch out of the White House”

MAY YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE!


84 posted on 10/14/2012 11:04:46 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: Kozy
"A lot of datapoints, Benghazi, President Morsi, SEALS, blind iman, 14 minute You Tube video; withdrawal of security from embassy, October surprise and Obama's October surprise."

A lot of datapoints, and yes, your theory makes more sense than anything the Whitehouse is selling. The only thing that plays against your theory, IMHO, is that it occurred on 9/11. I think this was just to strike a blow against the US, and little more. Also, RPGs and mortars are hardly precision weapons, and generally not the kind of things one would use to sieze an HVT - although you might have some to assist in the getaway.

Had this been any other day than 9/11, I'd be even more inclined to agree with you, but I think the date was chosen to send a deliberate message.

85 posted on 10/14/2012 11:05:08 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: bronxville

hmmmm.... maybe they were sending the pics to HILLARY or OBAMA!!


86 posted on 10/14/2012 11:07:41 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: bgill
"Heck, just fence off D.C. with razor wire and call it a day."

DC was never meant to be permanent living arrangement with Congress.

With all electronic media at hand, there is no reason why any member of Congress needs to live in DC.

Scatter Congress to their districts and watch the cronyism and kick backs die quickly.

Hold Congressional feet to the fire on a local level where sun can shine on everybody.

87 posted on 10/14/2012 11:12:20 AM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A SCAM.)
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To: Stayfree
"kidnapped Stevens was the October surprise...why else would you send him to such a danger zone stripped of all protection...nothing else makes any sense!"

Even Hillary said something about how we helped liberate them and then they do this to us...not her words. Her words are chillingly naive.

I thought she was being stupid at first but maybe she is unintentionally swaying into the truth anyway which fits above quite nicely.

88 posted on 10/14/2012 11:16:23 AM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A SCAM.)
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To: Kozy

They meant to kill the seals! It was an al-Qaeda operation to stop America from taking back the manpads! Obama and Hillary lost those missiles! If those missiles get fired, it’s Obama and Hillary’s fault! It will have been their Democrat designed policies and actions that put those missiles in our enemies hands! The real story is that Americans died because Obama and Hillary’s incompetence gave anti-aircraft missiles to al-Qaeda! Obama needs to increase hs personal security now! The Democrats got rid of Kennedy for less!


89 posted on 10/14/2012 11:19:25 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: tsowellfan

BUMP VIDEO.


90 posted on 10/14/2012 11:20:19 AM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A SCAM.)
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To: BastropBarbie
"This would definitely offer additional support for why Obama went to bed, thinking he knew exactly where the “missing” ambassador was."

You are making good sense here, BB. Very intriguing.

91 posted on 10/14/2012 11:21:44 AM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A SCAM.)
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To: Kozy
So the terrorists plan the assault on the embassy thinking there would be no resistance.

With over a hundred armed men, grenades, and rocket launchers? They expected some resistance.

92 posted on 10/14/2012 11:30:35 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Please capitalize "SEAL" in the title.

Thank you.

5.56mm

93 posted on 10/14/2012 11:33:55 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: gaijin
Their real mission was to free The Blind Sheik and their ally was/is Vallerie Jarrett.

Valerie Jarrett, Hillary's handler (forgot the name) and probably over half of the various 'czars', appointments, and contracts.... from what I can tell.

94 posted on 10/14/2012 11:34:26 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Cicero
"Yes, it makes sense. And you can add that there have been some pretty plausible suggestions that the guy who MADE that video was actually a Muslim terrorist himself, not a Copt as the White House keeps telling us. It was made ahead of time, ready to be brought out and used for the October surprise."

BUMP.

95 posted on 10/14/2012 11:35:10 AM PDT by hummingbird (Lather, Rinse........BUT DO NOT REPEAT - REPEAT IS A SCAM.)
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To: Fully Awake DAV
No Presser by Present Obama....curious..

you're right! Obama has always called a presser for any reason

96 posted on 10/14/2012 11:38:14 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Let's Roll

My point is the libs thought Reagan stalled the release of the hostages to embarrass Carter. In your scenario, they live out their fantasy that unlike Carter Obama obtains the release just before the election.


97 posted on 10/14/2012 11:47:36 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Let's Roll

Kozy’s scenario...


98 posted on 10/14/2012 11:48:23 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Kozy

I would not be surprised if that was the plan. Obama is scum.


99 posted on 10/14/2012 11:51:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: blueunicorn6

These same criminal enterprise demoncrats fashioned Fast & Furious in hopes of political empowerment for cancelling our Constitutionally defined rights. Never under estimate their evil to create a cover for future murderous acts by them against political enemies, under the false guise of ‘terrorists used the Hillary mistaken gifts to al qaeda’, it just happened to be against our foes.


100 posted on 10/14/2012 11:56:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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