Skip to comments.All-You-Can-Eat Food Forests: Coming to a City Near You
Posted on 10/14/2012 9:00:22 AM PDT by Donkey Odious
Consider it a modern take on the legendary tale of Johnny Appleseed. Vancouver, B.C., has announced plans to plant 150,000 fruit and nut trees on city streets, in parks, and on city-owned lands in the next eight years, reports the Vancouver Sun.
At the moment, the city has about 600 fruit and nut trees on city streets, and another 425 can be found in the city's parks, community gardens, and pocket orchards.
"Street trees play an important role in helping Vancouver adapt to climate change, manage stormwater run-off, support biodiversity, and even provide food," Mayor Gregor Robertson said in a statement to the city's council last week.
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In 5-6 years, the city is going to wonder why there are so many homeless people around in early fall.
Birds, raccoons, squirrels and insects will approve.
Can’t get a farm tag in the middle of the city.
Some “community organizer” will say, “see, I told you the republicans were trying to return you to your agraian roots. Pick fruit, next it will be cotton.”
I can just see people waiting and watching fruit ripen and then someone else coming in the night and getting it.
I don’t see any problem with it. In fact, I have thought of thing like this myself, along with having unemployed people on unemployment doing the harvesting as a condition of getting benefits. It would be unattractive work, but it would do something productive.
This should bring out a bio-diverse set of lawyers, once the homeless guy gets sick eating the city produce.
I think urban gardens and orchards are a good idea because one of the problems with inner city types is that they are completely clueless as to where and how food is really grown.
Anything that connects them back to the dirt is a good idea.
If they aren’t properly managed and present unexpected problems, well they just aren’t that hard to cut down and replace with more usual urban trees. They do have a higher upkeep cost, since they require regular pruning to keep them productive.
Closer and closer to eliminating private property, a cornerstone to our freedom:
“The organization, which also considers itself an artistic operation to the extent that it encourages the public to press the boundaries of urban shared space,....”
Urban shared space, a phrase I am sure we will be hearing a lot more often. It is the new “Global Warming”. They never, ever let up. Not ever.
An idea only lifelong city people wouldn’t see the futility of. Orchard owners don’t just sit around all year and have the fruit fall into baskets at harvest time.
What could possibly go wrong?
“”If they arent properly managed and present unexpected problems, well they just arent that hard to cut down and replace with more usual urban trees. They do have a higher upkeep cost, since they require regular pruning to keep them productive””
You nailed it. This is another example of government waste. Once the liberals find they actually have to work to harvest fruit and nut trees, the trees will be neglected and there will be a rat infestation until the trees are cut down.
>>>Anybody see any potential problems with this??<<<
When I lived in the Emerald People’s Republic (otherwise known as Eugene, Oregon), many of the plum trees, English walnuts, and blackberry bushes had gone wild, poking through fences and appearing here and there in alleys and empty lots. When these trees fruited, you could literally walk down the road, pick ripe fruit, and eat it. Cool. I never collected the walnuts, but my friends did.
On the other hand, that same fruit ripened, then rotted. The plums were a slimy mess, attracting mass yellow jackets. The blackberries, once established, needed a bulldozer to remove. And the stain from the outer cover of the walnuts was nearly impossible to remove. At the end of the season, what was once Nature’s bounty had become Nature’s landfill problem.
I’m a very avid gardener, and gardening requires lots of care and effort to prevent it from being a mess. Which I’m sure the good people of Vancouver will discover once their wonderful fruits trees drop endless tons of unpicked fruit on the ground, once the vegetation becomes an unruly mess, once some of the plants become The Day of the Triffids while others die in obscurity, and once various animals and pests, especially wasps, rats, and mice, decide that they like the urban landscape as much as Canadians, then they’ll either have to hire an army of city-paid gardeners or cut down the damn things and just plant Douglas firs.
I’m wondering what variety of orange tree they’re planning to plant in Vancouver, B.C. (See pic at site)
Anyone that says what Serve Man said is ignorant of the cattle business. Cattle being fed free range is tough and stringy.
So, big brother is mapping trees on private property who's limbs grow outside the property line. Strangers coming along picking from your fruit trees won't stop at the property line.
Wanna bet someone injects a poisonous substance into these public fruits (the plant as opposed to the human-kind). You're right, lawyers will get rich. Reminds me of the old story about a farmer getting mad over his watermelons getting stolen so he posted a sign that one of the melons was poisoned.
Because the city is not going to spray the trees with fungicides and pesticides, a lot of fruit will fill with worms, drop to the ground and rot while simultaneously creating an eyesore and slip hazard. The city streets and parks will reek of rotting fruit.
Luring people into a forest? I read a lot of tales about that when I was a child and I don’t recall it EVER turning out good.
re: #16 Silly me... global warming of course.
The character who was foraging, Andre, tried to have a dinner party consisting of only wild food. Well, the rest of the folks complained that the stuff smelled and tasted like sh*t and ended up eating takeout food instead.
There are tours of urban foragers that go through Central Park, NY picking stuff...hope they're up to date on their tetanus, hepatitis, etc. shots.
I think you pretty much nailed it.....
Before I escaped, I lived in Oregon for about 15 years, two of my sons graduated from the UofO and two still live in Portland. The “culture” along I-5 resembles bad fruit - rotten to the core.
Both two and four footed....
I can foresee big problems with this, especially out in the unprotected public.. Tampering with the produce, hording the outcome for profit, a mess with the unused, flies, bird droppings, rotting on the vine,..etc..
However, I have done something similar on a much smaller scale.. In my last home, I planted a herb garden in my front yard, with a sign, “SPICE UP YOUR LIFE, on the house”..
Our neighbors and the general public walkers, and bicyclers, would stop and pick a few sprigs, along with the note cards that I furnished with recipes, that I placed in jars under each spice and herb.. It was a hoot, and caused a lot of fun between all of us..
I had a neat man cave in my garage, (complete with all of the know indemnities that any man would need), in the driveway, so I would be there in sight when they wanted to talk, and ask questions..
However, there was one downside, I lost any privacy, including constant interruptions during sports, and shows, and movies, etc, that I was engaged.. Met a lot of great folks and had a blast trading stories, and super recipes.. :)
Rats? Hmmm. Free meat, fruit, and nuts!
Really, they are going to plant (and maintain) some sort of tree, why not something that could produce food? Have Boy Scouts or church/community groups pick trees for food pantries, whatever, but I'd bet some of it would be eaten, anyway--by humans.
I have seen several episodes of Grimm (which is set in Portland)......Spooky things are out there!!
So will there be hotdog-trees?
I’m going to be the lone (or almost so) voice of approval. Why? Well I do agree about the idea of fruit trees making a mess, but I’m looking at this a different way: from the standpoint of a SHTF incident. Right now, stores only have food for a few days without restocking via truck, and people usually don’t have more than a week worth of food at home. What if that system is interrupted by an EMP, severe geomagnetic storm, a trucking strike, a cyber attack or an economic catastrophe? What happens is mass rioting when people realize that they and their kids might starve. Having a bunch of fruit trees will provide ample Vitamin C and other nutrients, and nut trees will provide lots of calories, protein and essential fats. It is not a substitute for individual preparedness, but it buys time to restore the system before the mass population starts rioting and going after those who have prepared.
To me, government’s primary job is to defend society - and this isn’t limited to deterring or fighting an invasion. Other things, mentioned above, can be as devastating or worse.
You are too logical and practical.
Fifty years ago, this idea would have merit and some enterprising people would have figured out how to pick, pack and profit.
Not any more - the gubmint is too restrictive and domineering and the public too lazy or litigious.
Yes this could help in a food emergency, provided it happens during harvest season.
Yes this could help in a food emergency, provided it happens during harvest season.
I don’t see the homeless having any interest in fresh fruit unless they can figure out how to ferment it.
They’ll have to hire their relatives to take care of the trees. This is a big liberal scam right now.
“Trees are beautiful! They help us! Speaking of help, these trees will need to be taken care of. My brother Steve needs a job.”
I predict that most of the fruit will either rot, or will be eaten by vermin. And I don’t mean the 2-legged kind.
In the city I live in there are already thousands of fruit and nut trees. No one harvests them. Well, except me and one or two other resourceful preppers.
Just a couple weeks ago mom helped me pick 2 grocery bags of apples from a stand of trees that grows just around the corner. In previous summers I’ve gotten black raspberries, hazelnuts, hickory nuts, black walnuts, plums, grapes, black cherries, elderberries, and more, all from public lands. When I was a kid the first “wild food” I ate was from a mulberry tree at the edge of the park near my house.
People who see me picking think I’m crazy.
mulberries.......mmmmmmmmmmmmm, my favorite
“In my part of the country fruit trees need to be sprayed for insects/parasites”
Probably the same everywhere. Around here, if a tree isn’t sprayed for insects, squirrels have a feast on the unwormy nuts.
It would also multiply 10X the pests and blight that produce farmers have to contend with.
Unless agreed to in advance that the trees would be sprayed, this is STUPID writ large in neon lights!
“Anyone that says what Serve Man said is ignorant of the cattle business. Cattle being fed free range is tough and stringy.”
Like dairy cows getting into wild onions make the milk practically undrinkable.
“Reminds me of the old story about a farmer getting mad over his watermelons getting stolen so he posted a sign that one of the melons was poisoned.”
You left out the rest of the story:
The would be thief added his own sign. “I poisoned one too, so now there are two”.
What a wonderful idea! Was this herb garden in the front yard, or on the parking strip?
As a one-time pecan orchard manager, I can assure you that, if these trees are not maintained properly -- and that means, at a minimum, fertilizing and spraying -- they will never produce any meaningful fruit. And the birds will get whatever there is before any humans do.
With some fruits, that means pruning and thinning, as well.
For example, has anybody ever found any edible fruit on a wild cherry tree? Or a wild hickory? In the woods, they're relatively common.
If Vancouver believes they're ever going to have "a crop", they're dreaming.
Idiots. Having lived in So Cal for years and having citrus and stone fruit trees which I inherited from previous home owners, I can tell you that fruit trees require lots of attention.
Citrus need to be fertilized and iron added. Otherwise, they get chlorosis and the leaves turn yellow and fall of.
Stone fruits - peaches, apricots, etc., and other fruits like cherries all ripen and need to be picked within a couple of weeks. Otherwise, they ripen and fall off leaving a mess.
Fruit and nut trees attract skunks, squirrels, rats, etc., especially if the fruit is not removed when ripened. What a mess these trees will become. All fruit trees require regular maintenance. That is quite different from evergreen and broad leaf trees which only require occasional trimming.
They should plant mulberries. The pigeons will thank them.
For every one of you (us) that might make good use of such a “plan” there would be hundreds who would watch the fruit drop and rot and bemoan the fact that no one delivered it to them in a reuseable box or bag. The “feed a man a fish...” story holds.
And thanks for mentioning your mulberry tree. I used to have one across the back fence where I grew up! Pretty good....
anybody see the affect fermented fruits have on wild life-
This graphic isn't new but it tickles my funny bone, so pardon me if you've seen it before:
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