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5 Engineers: Who is better for engineering and tech: Obama or Romney?
EDN ^ | 10/12/12 | Suzanne Deffree

Posted on 10/14/2012 11:13:02 AM PDT by null and void

In our most recent 5 Engineers post — part of this blog and our Fun Friday newsletter, where we toss out a question and invite our audience to respond with their wittiest answers — we asked: What question would you liked posed here in 5 Engineers to the community of engineers and management that visit EDN.com?

You’ll see some of the great questions that were presented in coming 5 Engineers posts. Visit this page to share your own question to be asked. -

This Friday, though, we find ourselves fresh off of the vice presidential debates here in the United States. That followed the presidential debates by a week and there are still more head-to-head debates coming.

At this point, we're just weeks away from voting and the election could go either way. As is the case, we’ve heard snippets here and there regarding technology and engineering from the candidates. We’d like your take on their positions.

So for this week’s question we’re asking: Who is better for engineering and tech: Obama or Romney? Strictly in terms of STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) and not regarding the hot button issues that seem to make up most political debates, whose election would do more to better the world? And we do mean the world. This may be a US position but America’s actions influence the globe.

Post your short, constructive answer below. Be sure to stay tuned to this blog for more 5 Engineers questions in the weeks to come.


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1 posted on 10/14/2012 11:13:05 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
Obama gutted NASA because it employed highly intelligent non-Eric Holder's people, and changed its mission to being an ambassador for Islamophilia.

Next question?

2 posted on 10/14/2012 11:21:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: null and void

Obama is a disaster for anyone in the STEM disciplines who relies on a dynamic , merit based system that fosters innovation, in scientific and technological research and development and strong economic and tech base to support those activities.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 11:25:51 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: null and void

“I got a bracelet too”


4 posted on 10/14/2012 11:27:16 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: null and void

Obama could create a bigger pile of BS, that’s about it.


5 posted on 10/14/2012 11:27:50 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: null and void

Romney wants more free trade which means more outsourced jobs including engineering.

Obama doesn’t seem to have a plan, except to spend taxpayer dollars to rescue companies once they have failed due to stupid trade policy.

Engineering forecast looks cloudy. But I see a strong demand 4 years from now for new politicians.


6 posted on 10/14/2012 11:30:06 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: null and void

A lot of Democrat talking points in there.


7 posted on 10/14/2012 11:37:00 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: null and void
One gives our technology to the chinese, the other sells it. What's the difference? Last time I checked, I wasn't living in china, so I'm not giving them jack shit, no matter what the parent corporation tells me to do. These “whore their souls to the chinese for shareholder value” types can go f!## themselves. If you want to be chinese slave drivers, do it on your own, you have no excuse to hide behind, and you'll get no sympathy from Americans.
8 posted on 10/14/2012 11:40:06 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: DannyTN
Obama doesn’t seem to have a plan, except to spend taxpayer dollars to rescue companies once they have failed due to stupid trade policy.

Screaming a lie louder rather then learning even a single fact about how the US Economy works does not change your emotion base ranting to fact.

The Truth About U.S. Manufacturing

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104576122353274221570.html

9 posted on 10/14/2012 11:49:34 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: factoryrat; DannyTN

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/truth-about-trade-history

It’s called Protectionism. It has failed every time it has been tried. Clinging to an emotion based opinion rather then learning a single fact about how the US Economy works is childish. US Manufacturing is dependent on imports of raw material and goods. Your protectionist ideas would destroy the base of our economy.


10 posted on 10/14/2012 11:52:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: rdcbn

My feeling is Romney is quite strong on trade.

Strongest in the GOP.

Just wait.


11 posted on 10/14/2012 11:52:13 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: null and void

This is an easy question to answer. In 0bama-land, there’s welfare and midnight basketball, that’s all there is.


12 posted on 10/14/2012 11:58:33 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: null and void

Considering the fact that the Democrat Party is controlled by Big Labor, and Big Labor are luddites, Obama can’t be good for engineers.

I remember as a youth in the 1980’s and a member of UFCW the rants in the union newsletter against scanners on the checkout line.

Labor unions hope to keep everything the same, the same people with the same job description.

That is nothing new, either. The 1877 railroad strike was largely about brakemen’s jobs being lost due to the Westinghouse air brake. The 1892 Homestead Works strike was about Henry Clay Frick seeking freedom to make innovations in the manufacture of steel in that industry’s early days.


13 posted on 10/14/2012 12:04:07 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: ConjunctionJunction

A lot of Democrat talking points in there.

Especially about the alleged support of STEM in education. Alleged since the real intent the Democrats have for education is to dumb it down even further to create more clients for the Welfare State, while throwing more money at the teachers unions without expecting any meaningful results. Did not one teachers’ union leader say that they will start caring about the students when the students pay union dues?


14 posted on 10/14/2012 12:08:02 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: DannyTN

R’s are pro-H1B because they want cheap skilled labor (engineers).
D’s are pro-H1B because they want more immigrants.

Either way, I no longer encourage my children to pursue engineering. And that is quite sad.


15 posted on 10/14/2012 12:30:29 PM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: Fred Hayek

IIRC, that was an outgoing legal counsel (attorney) for the teacher’s union. But I’m sure he just said what they all think.


16 posted on 10/14/2012 12:47:10 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: MNJohnnie
Your protectionism card is maxed out, didn't mention protectionism once. Transfer MILLIONS of jobs overseas, transfer as much technology overseas as possible, and then turn around and WHINE because now you have to support a bunch of unemployed people, who USED to have those jobs you just shipped offshore, and then tell them to get a job at walmart or mc donalds. How about we send the banking, financing, trading, medical, accounting, and all of the back office jobs overseas too? Let's put their heads on the chopping block, and see how they react. No job is safe in this economy, not even yours. Watch out for that viscous cycle, it can bite you right in your ass.
17 posted on 10/14/2012 12:49:39 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: DannyTN

If Romney is elected and frees up the oil drilling industry, I see lots of demand for engineers in petroleum, manufacturing, etc.


18 posted on 10/14/2012 1:50:03 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: RugerMini14

MS Google and Amazon all support more H1B for the stated reason that they bring expertise that expands their buisnesses, hence increasing sales and profits.

What they don’t state is that they prefer to acquire young talent, cheaply, and grow that talent within their own corporate cultures.


19 posted on 10/14/2012 1:55:38 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (Gentle but bold...)
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H1Bs are used as slave labor in my area of engineering.

I’m competing not only with them locally, but with the Chinese slave labor.

I predict that there’s less than 10 years left for American jobs in my particular field. My company is already ramping up a 500 employee design center in China. All job openings within the company are in China, not here. We’ve been told specifically that any position eliminated here by firing or layoff goes to China.


20 posted on 10/14/2012 2:07:13 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: null and void

I saw some video from the control room for the recent Mars landings. The people looked horrible. Obvious gays, men with earrings, slovenly dress. It looked like a kindergarten staff meeting.

R.I.P. NASA.


21 posted on 10/14/2012 2:11:16 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: DannyTN
"Romney wants more free trade which means more outsourced jobs including engineering."

You couldn't be any more wrong on this point. I am an engineer, working for a small (100 employees) US company. Because of free trade, we manufacture products in the US (only), and we export about half of our sales to China and Japan.

22 posted on 10/14/2012 2:45:30 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: null and void

Obama has an iPhone, right? So of course he would be better for high tech. /s


23 posted on 10/14/2012 3:15:38 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: DennisR
Obama has a BLACKBarry...
24 posted on 10/14/2012 3:22:24 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1363 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: MNJohnnie
"It has failed every time it has been tried."

Patently False. It was used by the founding fathers and was in place the first 170 years of our country's existence.

The facts are that we have 25% unemployment and everything in Wal-mart is made in China. There is nothing wrong with Protecting the American Market so that Americans employee other Americans. It's cheaper in the long run than employing Chinese and paying for Americans to sit idle.

You need to read something other than libertarian CATO institute crap.

The real history of free trade is that it devastated England's industrial base in the 1800's. It's devastated our's now. And protectionism has actually a long history of success.

The facts are that we embarked on a record era of lowering of import tariffs in the 1970's and the 1980's and now have the worst unemployment since the great depression.

Kicking Away the Ladder: The “Real” History of Free Trade

Free trade has devastated American Industry

Candidate Hurt says free trade agreements devastated Va. industry

OFFSHORING THE MISSOURI ECONOMY: FREE TRADE JOB LOSSES AND THEIR IMPACT ON MISSOURI WORKERS

I could do this all day.

PS. I've had graduate level courses in Economics. Don't tell me I need to learn how things work. You need to get beyond the basics. Take something besides economics 101. Or just look around you at what has happened to our country since we've implemented free trade policies.

25 posted on 10/14/2012 7:17:39 PM PDT by DannyTN
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