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"You should’ve served US better and died!’ Debt collector berates disabled veteran
Russia Today ^ | 10/14/12

Posted on 10/14/2012 12:27:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Edited on 10/14/2012 12:30:59 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A debt collector, angered that a disabled US Army veteran was living off of disability payments, told him he “should have died” in war instead of "taking advantage of" other Americans.

“If you would have served our country better you would not be a disabled veteran living off Social Security while the rest of us honest Americans work our asses off,” one of the agency’s debt collectors allegedly told the vet. “Too bad, you should have died.”


(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collector; debt; disabled; disabledveteran; vetabuse; veteran

1 posted on 10/14/2012 12:27:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

I hope he goes to jail and ends up with a VERY angry vet (sadly, it happens) as a bunkie.

To berate one our heroes is lower than low.


2 posted on 10/14/2012 12:31:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (We canÂ’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: LibWhacker

That debt collector should go after all the civilians who have faked a disability and are living off it.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 12:34:37 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: freedumb2003

Hard to get much lower than some pestering phone debt hound.


4 posted on 10/14/2012 12:34:54 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: freedumb2003

All that you say is true. You got a beef with the vet, you go to court or do some other legal things— verbal assault is not called for. I do wonder about the loan, however. I don’t care if you’re Chesty Puller, if you take a loan you should pay it back, especially if you are on 100% disability, and therefore have cash coming in. Did he take the loan before or after the disability declaration, I wonder.


5 posted on 10/14/2012 12:35:14 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: LibWhacker; ExTexasRedhead
You bet! We all know that veterans who fought and died are not deserving. It is the Obama Phone crowd that deserves even more!

The Community Organizer agrees.

Obama Thanks Military for Service by Tripling Tricare Premiums


6 posted on 10/14/2012 12:35:36 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Most of those are nobama voters.


7 posted on 10/14/2012 12:36:20 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: LibWhacker

A lot of slimy ex-cons in the debt collection business. Also in roofing.


8 posted on 10/14/2012 12:36:44 PM PDT by Calpublican
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To: LibWhacker

Don’t make me get in my car and drive up there. I’m 6 feet tall and 300 lbs. Let’s see some pencil-necked bill collector get in my face. This makes me sick. Why isn’t the veteran receiving VA disability, I wonder? Or maybe he is and the reporter is confused.


9 posted on 10/14/2012 12:36:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: LibWhacker
"Gurstel Chargo"?

Where the hell did he come from?

10 posted on 10/14/2012 12:38:07 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: LibWhacker
The couple is now seeking compensation for actual damages, statutory damages, and punitive damages for violations of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA), privacy invasion, malicious infliction of emotional distress and conversion.
The FDCPA considers it abusive for a debt collector to make empty threats, misrepresent the legal status of a debt, or use obscene of profane language.

This crap is illegal, and I hope the vet OWNS these scumbags.

11 posted on 10/14/2012 12:40:05 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: LibWhacker

I’m not a veteran, but that bill collector is lucky I wasn’t standing there. He might be three feet taller than me, and outweigh me by 200 pounds, but believe you me, he would have remembered it.


12 posted on 10/14/2012 12:40:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: LibWhacker

“Kinda Rough!” Especially as the guy was really hurt due to real combat related injuries.


13 posted on 10/14/2012 12:41:05 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: LibWhacker

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-debt-collector-disabled-veteran-372/


14 posted on 10/14/2012 12:42:31 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: LibWhacker
On average, debt collectors make 20 cents for every dollar recouped. At this rate, the Colliers’ debt would be worth $1,200 to Chargo.

I'm a debt collector, and I don't receive even half of that. Although I make a living, I guess I have worked for the wrong agency all these years.

If the harassment victim has this on tape, he won't need to worry about paying this bill. His attorney should be able to have the collection company pay it for him.

My company takes violations of the FDCPA seriously. 100% of my conversations are taped. If anyone complains about anything I do, my supervisor must first listen to the call in question.

If a complaint leads to a discovery of a violation of the FDCPA, A) My company will pay debts and fines and lawyers fees, and B) I will be fired.

No licensed debt collector I know would do what was described here. This isn't to say it didn't happen. The thing of it is, is most debt collectors I know behave professionally and take the job seriously.

There isn't a reason to treat people this way because we have tools available to help those that are caught between a rock and a hard place yet want to try to salvage the situation.

15 posted on 10/14/2012 12:47:07 PM PDT by stevem
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To: MamaTexan; blam

So it’s illegal, there are any number of FReepers who will be along in a shortly to explain to you that the illegality of something has nothing to do with debit collecting.


16 posted on 10/14/2012 12:50:01 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: LibWhacker

Don’t worry. In a few more years, under obamacare, future vets like this one will be declared too damaged to keep alive.


17 posted on 10/14/2012 1:00:08 PM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: Doogle; LibWhacker; freedumb2003; 1_Rain_Drop; X-spurt; Doctor 2Brains; SkyPilot; Calpublican; ...

Did you see these comments at the link?

kuplungmaster (unregistered)October 14, 2012, 23:19

This Faker isn’t the only US military veteran living off Social Security while the rest of us honest Americans work. As paid Mercenaries they Volunteer for the military because they’re too stupid to go to college and too lazy to get real jobs. Working for the military they learn theretofore unknown skills like basic hygiene, how to make their own beds and polish their shoes. Once discharged they get free education, affirmative-action in hiring and promotion for civilian jobs, free lifetime healthcare at the VA and a host of other benefits. Once civilians, the many that are criminals, drug addicts and drunks now have the lifetime excuse — “I was traumatized in the service”. We need to bring back the draft and eliminate all exemptions so that the military better reflects the regular society and is not comprised so disproportionate of society’s dregs.

*****

eric (unregistered)October 14, 2012, 04:01 quote

The debt collector is right. American wars help no one and soldiers are criminals...

******


18 posted on 10/14/2012 1:03:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are a whole lot of people out there our society would be a lot better without. And I’m not referring to our ex-military members.

There are tens of millions of people who haven’t done squat in life who are pulling in government program on top of government program. My take is the animals attacking the ex-military couldn’t care less about them.


19 posted on 10/14/2012 1:09:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Consider the source!
Comments like that are from our E.N.E.M.I.E.S.


20 posted on 10/14/2012 1:10:02 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Too bad our enemies aren’t limited to Russia, China, the Islamic world and North Korea. Those comments could’ve easily been written by millions of people in this country and I’m not so sure the first one wasn’t. Remember: The Internet is everywhere. Just because the site is called “Russia Today” doesn’t mean everyone there is Russian...


21 posted on 10/14/2012 1:15:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: LibWhacker

My son who does not live with me owed on student loans.... I was being harassed by a debt collector for weeks....

I finally solved the problem....

1. Before you talk to them ask for a name and call back number in case you get disconnected...
2. Explain you do not owe the debt and I need to be taken off your call list
3. If they can’t or won’t ask to speak to a supervisor...
4. Keep going up the ladder until you get the person with the authority to remove your name from their call list... Remember at every level get a name and all back number with extension
5. When you finally get the manager with the ability to remove your name and won’t simply explain that for every time I get a call I will personally call your extension and harass you every hour on the hour...until you do...

Never failed to work... I promise them they will rue the day they don’t take me off the call list....


22 posted on 10/14/2012 1:24:03 PM PDT by Popman (November 7th...will be a good day for America..)
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To: Kartographer
there are any number of FReepers who will be along in a shortly to explain to you that the illegality of something has nothing to do with debit collecting.

I've had several Freepers in the past try to explain that certain things are 'so' contrary to logic, law AND reason.

Sometimes being ornery can be a good thing. :-)

23 posted on 10/14/2012 1:25:10 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Vets who are 100% disabled don’t need student loans. They can go to school on the VA’s dollar. So I’m guessing it was before he went into the army.


24 posted on 10/14/2012 1:27:29 PM PDT by jim35 (Obama: the second sabateur-in-chief.)
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To: LibWhacker

Sounds like the debt collector graduated from the ‘Biden School of Jerkdom’...


25 posted on 10/14/2012 1:28:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: LibWhacker

The comments below the article are more disturbing than the article.


26 posted on 10/14/2012 1:30:49 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; LibWhacker
This makes me sick.

It's articles like these that my wife refuses to read Free Republic. I can't show this to her. Our night would be ruined. She just doesn't/can't get over sh!!te like this. It takes her days. She would be in tears.

Me? I'm so frickin mad that I'm shaking! I swear that my blood pressure is through the roof right now.

27 posted on 10/14/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LibWhacker

Russia today?

The comments below the article are disgusting.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 1:52:06 PM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: jim35

Yes, if they’re service-connected veterans. I went to college on VA vocational rehabilitation as only 10% (at that time) but usually it’s 20% or more. The article is leading us to believe that the veteran is on SSDI, not VA disability, where in reality he’s probably on both and the reporter either knows nothing about the VA or didn’t bother/didn’t know enough to inquire about the other program. Most journalists have trouble spelling “military” and have no first-hand experience with it.


29 posted on 10/14/2012 1:58:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: jim35

Plus, IIRC, serving in the military absolves your student loans, though I don’t recall what the formula is.


30 posted on 10/14/2012 1:59:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: LibWhacker

info@gurstel.com


31 posted on 10/14/2012 2:02:46 PM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: Popman

You can sue them for $1000 per incident after the first call if you’ve told them to cease and desist. I have done so in the past and it works like a charm. FReepmail me if you want the link to the law firm I used.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 2:07:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Popman

I tried most of what you listed twice and it had no effect; they actually started calling more. What did work was telling them I used my contacts in the FBI to get a trace on their location and I knew who leased the space in the building they were calling from. That got their attention and presto - no more calls.


33 posted on 10/14/2012 2:49:55 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Popman
Verizon compromised my account information and was emailing it to another party....not once, not twice......try four.

I sat on the phone with them for hours as they closed all of the online account information and made new accounts. Each and every time, an email would go out with updated account info.....thankfully I was cc'd on the email or I wouldn't have known. This happened over the span of a week and all the techs could tell me is some, one, ? of their servers might not have the updates to the account processed.

Enough was enough, I finally spoke to a supervisor to have the account closed and early cancellation (for three lines) waived. I was informed that this was a "non-waiver event." I asked him if violating the Privacy Act of 1974, you know federal law, wasn't enough then what was? Well, they agreed to cancel the account and waive all the fees.

Except I had $90 in credit on the account; the check was in the mail (supposedly). Verizon's internal collections began to call and harass me for the early cancellation fees (apparently yet again their servers didn't update) even though they owed me money. I asked nicely for them to stop calling me and provide me my refund. Each conversation ending up being 1 1/2 hrs+ as I talked to "supervisors" trying to "fix" the problem.

Finally, I had enough. I got the number to the collections department (gotta love caller id) and I began to call them repeatedly throughout the day. As I also had the normal customer service numbers and several supervisors' desk numbers, I took the liberty of calling them and asking "where's the money?" I also made sure to tell them that I was a happy Sprint customer.

It took two days, but I got a call from two different (customer service and one from collections) supervisors apologizing and the tracking number for my check.

34 posted on 10/14/2012 3:10:46 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any person with such low regard for those that sacrifice, often all, on their worthless behalf is not worthy of any mercy.

What was the official and unofficial treatment given the Loyalist Tories following the Revolution? That is how today’s liberals should be handled today.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 4:51:29 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt

As I understand it, student loans are forgiven when one receives disability.
It worked that way for me.


36 posted on 10/14/2012 6:01:08 PM PDT by arjay (NOMOBAMA)
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To: sneakers

I didn’t know it was Russia Today. The Moderator filled in that bit of information for us after I posted it. I simply posted it as an article from the mysterious source rt.com, because that’s all I could find out about their identity.

I know one thing, I’ll never post anything from them again! Freeper comments have convinced me there are a lot of fishy things about this story. I now even doubt the story is true and wish I hadn’t posted it. Reading it now, it reads as an unfounded hit piece on the collection industry as a whole which, of course, is needed in any free market capitalist society.


37 posted on 10/14/2012 6:10:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: GreyHoundSailor

There’s an audio out of a guy who always answers these calls by saying that the person they are trying to reach has just been killed and that he is a member of the local police and needs to know how the caller knows the decedent and all of his contact info so that they can send a member of the local police where the telemarketer lives to interview him. It’s a riot!


38 posted on 10/14/2012 6:32:23 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: X-spurt
What was the official and unofficial treatment given the Loyalist Tories following the Revolution?

My family has letters and other records from my Great-great-great-great-great-great (I think that's the correct number of 'greats') grandfather and his sons. They fought for Washington and stayed on after the British surrender at Yorktown, to hunt down and apprehend Tories.

One letter I read clearly indicated that many Tories were summarily executed, hanged, by their pursuers when caught.

IMO, we never should have allowed them to find sanctuary in Canada, but I understand Washington not wanting to fight another war in Canada after just barely, and luckily, winning the most important one to the south. One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

39 posted on 10/14/2012 6:38:05 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

How fantastic to have letters of one’s history during the Revolution!

If R2 were forced upon us, I would suspect the “loyalists” could expect the same treatment.


40 posted on 10/14/2012 7:00:15 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: vette6387
Here is what you are talking about. Its hilarious. Its not a bill collector but a telemarketer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_420523&feature=iv&src_vid=mkdoogjic4I&v=-7OgWcwgB50
41 posted on 10/14/2012 7:18:29 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: X-spurt
If R2 were forced upon us, I would suspect the “loyalists” could expect the same treatment.

Absolutely, and now knowing my family "tradition" (we were completely unaware of it until quite recently when a distant female cousin, whom we do not know, got married and received as a wedding gift from her new father-in-law family trees done on both families by a really good genealogist), I'd do everything I possibly could to make sure I served in one of the units charged with hunting them down and apprehending them -- or bringing them to justice, as the case may be! I'd look at it as a great honor.

42 posted on 10/14/2012 9:28:17 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reprehensible!


43 posted on 10/15/2012 5:14:58 PM PDT by Calpublican
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