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Biden's Kennedy Crack Was Hot Debate Moment
ABC OTUS News ^ | Fri, Oct 12, 2012 | ABBY D. PHILLIP

Posted on 10/14/2012 12:38:07 PM PDT by presidio9

Vice President Biden's sharp retort to Rep. Paul Ryan's invocation of President John F. Kennedy was by far the single biggest single moment of the debate according to Twitter metrics.

"Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy?" Biden quipped when Ryan asserted that Kennedy had successfully lowered taxes to foster economic growth.

After Biden's retort, Twitter erupted with 58,275 tweets per minute, more than at any other point in the debate.

Biden's comments brought to mind the other famous Jack Kennedy debate moment in which Democratic vice presidential candidate Lloyd Bentsen slammed his Republican opponent Dan Quayle for comparing himself to Jack Kennedy with the retort: "Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

Thursday's debate was in essence a Lloyd Bentsen moment for tax and budget wonks.

Ryan was right that Kennedy advocated lowering taxes, but it may have been Ryan's appropriation of Kennedy's legacy that stung Democrats.

"There is this tremendous love for Jack Kennedy for reasons hard to explain," said Alan Brinkley, a Columbia University American History professor who has written a book about Kennedy. "But Democrats still believe that Jack Kennedy is their great messiah and so I think that's what made so many Democrats angry."

On the tax policy, at least, Ryan was mostly right.

Kennedy did propose lowering taxes early on in his administration, a step he said was necessary to bring the country out of an economic recession.

"If we are to prevail in the long run, we must expand the long-run strength of our economy. We must move along the path to a higher rate of growth and full employment," Kennedy said in his 1963 State of the Union address. "To achieve these greater gains,

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1 posted on 10/14/2012 12:38:12 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

That comment was forced, awkward, and out of place. Having said that, republicans should know better than to ever mention that mediocre president’s name in a debate.


2 posted on 10/14/2012 12:40:53 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: presidio9

Yeah, yeah.

“58,275 tweets per minute,” of which 58,274 were from Obama’s and Biden’s handlers.

Funny, this is the first we heard of it. They’re still desperately looking for a way to prove that Biden won.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 12:41:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: presidio9

The Kennedy “jab” was a joke, meaningless and infantile. Ryan didn’t let it ruffle him at all.


4 posted on 10/14/2012 12:41:33 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: presidio9
Well, the LEFT wants us to be intimidated by this.

I think Romney should tell Obama:

“JFK Cut tax rates
JFK fought Communism
JFK said, ‘ask not what your country can do for you’
Mr. President, you are no Jack Kennedy”

5 posted on 10/14/2012 12:41:45 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: presidio9

This is a great Ad from GOP...

http://thehayride.com/2012/09/maybe-the-best-ad-of-the-political-season-so-far/


6 posted on 10/14/2012 12:42:06 PM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Send Obama back to Chicago/Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia wherever)
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To: presidio9
All Biden had to offer the other were misdirections, deflections, and catch-phrases. The Dems love catch-phrases and metaphors because that's all they have. So let's use a metaphor that pretty close to reality...

The ship of state has struck an iceberg but appears to still be afloat and moving. Captain Obama and Co. are totally unprepared to answer for what they have done and do not articulate any remedy because they have none. Obama and Co. ARE the problem. They have no plan to repair the damage and have absolutely no plan to change course. It's full speed ahead in the midst of an ever-growing ice field. They believe the ONLY COURSE is to replace wealth-creating capitalism with poverty-creating socialism.

When called into question or debate, socialists have difficulty with the substance of ideas and reality. The best they can do is sling metaphors or catch-phrases ("we're in this together") around and hope something sticks. Their best effort is to distract from reality like a dog and pony show on the deck of the sinking (or limping) Titanic and maybe pretend to "help" by rearranging the chairs (in this case handing out Obama phones).

Romney and Ryan need to ignore the Dems flashy distractions (except cursory mention of their purpose to distract) and continue spotlighting Obama's ruinous acts to date and his plans to continue so he can "finish what he started" (sink the ship, so he can get reassigned to a command post in the New World (Socialist) Order ).

7 posted on 10/14/2012 12:42:34 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: presidio9

The premise is silly. Why is it the number of tweets generated by some comment newsworthy?


8 posted on 10/14/2012 12:43:48 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: presidio9
It would be great if Obama tried something like that and Romney just said, "Whoa! How desperate are you?? That came out really forced, didn't it? I bet you feel pretty foolish now, don't you?"

I think Obama would implode from open ridicule like that.

9 posted on 10/14/2012 12:45:15 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: presidio9

In case Obama brings up Reagan or Lincoln (which he likes to do) Romney will know what to do.


10 posted on 10/14/2012 12:45:22 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: JohnBrowdie
That comment was forced, awkward, and out of place. Having said that, republicans should know better than to ever mention that mediocre president’s name in a debate.

Concur on both points

Biden spent his prep time memorizing lines and was just trying to get them in; he did not have substantive arguments; he did not present a rationale to continue the Obama regime into a second term other than fear.

11 posted on 10/14/2012 12:45:28 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Because the Left is desperate, and this is all they’ve got.


12 posted on 10/14/2012 12:46:17 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: Kansas58; Cicero

JFK said, ‘ask not what your country can do for you’

Actually it was Marcus Tullius Cicero who "said" that. But JFK liked the sound of it so much he quoted it. John Kennedy would probably have to run as a Republican today.

13 posted on 10/14/2012 12:46:31 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Biden’s Pavlovian non sequitur was utterly predictable. One of his two or three working brain cells was certainly programmed for that response. A Republican is not allowed to utter the name John Kennedy in any context, lest he be accused of pretensions to deity.


14 posted on 10/14/2012 12:46:38 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Kansas58

Dang! I LIKE that!


15 posted on 10/14/2012 12:47:11 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: toddausauras

It was a non-event, and all the more so because Biden couldn’t even deliver the jab with precision.

It was a pathetic attempt to turn Ryan into Quayle, and instead it turned Biden into a geriatric out-patient.

Note the mention of the flourish of Tweets, but no mention of which way those tweets leaned.


16 posted on 10/14/2012 12:47:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: JohnBrowdie

I was surprised when FOX News began reporting on Twitter traffic during the conventions. The demographics of people who regularly “tweet” is overwhelmingly liberal.


17 posted on 10/14/2012 12:48:53 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
On behalf of Godzilla and Mothra Godzilla vs. Mothra: The Battle for Earth (1992) Pictures, Images and Photos we extend our sincere condolences on the occasion of your vice president what'shisname losing his mind.
18 posted on 10/14/2012 12:49:05 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: presidio9

Thomas Sowell frequently cites 4 presidents who lowered tax rates which resulted in increased tax revenue. He cites Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, and I forget the other. No one has accused Mr. Sowell of thinking he is Kennedy or Reagan for doing this.


19 posted on 10/14/2012 12:50:25 PM PDT by Reddon
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To: presidio9

I watched the debate and somehow managed to miss this “hot moment”. I guess Joey Buffoon’s sophomoric smiling, smirking and cutting up antics had me distracted.


20 posted on 10/14/2012 12:51:24 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Obama "foam"?)
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To: presidio9

Joe Biden is a walking Silver Alert.


21 posted on 10/14/2012 12:51:45 PM PDT by Atticus
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To: presidio9

“Mr. Vice President, I served with Lloyd Bentsen. I knew Lloyd Bentsen. Lloyd Bentsen was a friend of mine. Mr. Vice President, you’re no Lloyd Bentsen.”


22 posted on 10/14/2012 12:53:55 PM PDT by x
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To: presidio9

It was almost like Joe was just waiting for Ryan to utter the name of some other famous politician so he could respond “Oh so now you think you’re blah blah...”


23 posted on 10/14/2012 12:53:58 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: presidio9
Debates are not intended to educate the auditors. They are intended to best the opponent.

Biden applied a willful and conscious method of belittleling his opponent. In my opinion Biden succeeded in diminishing Ryan. Bidens behavior has not changed my vote but he clearly made Ryan look small and weak.

24 posted on 10/14/2012 12:54:16 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: presidio9

Ryan is soooo much better than that drugged out, womanizing, mafia controlled, ineffective potus that it is laughable that Biden would make that comment. Please someone tell what JFK accomplished in his presidency that make him memorable other than the overhyped Cuban missle crisis or getting himself shot. Not much of a legacy other than Camelot. Remember camelot is a fairy tale as is JFK;s legacy.

He got his presidency because of the Chicago mob (Daly, et al). Nixon really won the election. And Kennedy was taken out by the Chicago mob. They have been in control of the Democratic party for a long time.


25 posted on 10/14/2012 12:56:35 PM PDT by dirtymac (`Ryan is soooo much better than that)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Wanna bet 58,270 of the tweets came from WH.....;)


26 posted on 10/14/2012 12:56:43 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: presidio9
Oh Bullsh*t. Democrats reliving Loyd Benson's famous put down of Dan Quayle.

Made plagerist Biden sound like a rude plagerist.

27 posted on 10/14/2012 12:59:41 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: presidio9

Do you agree with this analysis? I notice you posted it without comment.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 1:01:31 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: presidio9
Bovine scatology.

Back in the days when debates had one person at a time talking -- surely you remember those? -- Benson's comment left Dan Quayle deer-in-headlghts looking and speechless.

Ryan pretty much ignored SloJoe Butt-In's comment-barely-noticed-because-he-was-incoherently-rambling-all-the-time.

29 posted on 10/14/2012 1:01:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I think there is a new generational lens thar has to be applied.

Bidden was seen by younger viewers as why there is polarization in Washington, and why nothing gets done. Ryan is seen as the next generation that isn't tainted by historical party baggage, and who just wants to solve problems and get things done.

-PJ

30 posted on 10/14/2012 1:02:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't I naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: presidio9

The perfect response:

No, Mr Vice-President, I do not think I am Jack Kennedy. I was only pointing out that Jack Kennedy supported and implemented tax cuts to spur economic growth, just as Ronald Reagan did.

It is YOUR policy of raising taxes during weak economic times that is in direct contradiction to the legacy of President Kennedy.


31 posted on 10/14/2012 1:05:55 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: presidio9

JFK would get kicked out of the Democrat party today for these comments alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAEp0J_hzU


32 posted on 10/14/2012 1:07:23 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Not really. Ryan commented on two example where a tax cut has expanded revenues. He mentioned Reagan, then he mentioned JFK made a similar move.
In no way did he insinuate that he was the new JFK, similar to JFK, etc.

Joe’s response made no sense whatsoever. It certainly did not best him. AT BEST, he was like that TV commercial for the detergent. The stain on the shirt keeps shouting and interrupting the conversation. Joe only succeeded in making himself look like he had no ability to win by simply refuting what Ryan said. Romney bested Obama in that manner. Biden simply looke impossible to have a disscussion with. In his 45 minutes, Ryan was interuped over 80 times by Biden, and interrupted over 20 times by the Moderater. That simply was not an environment where anyone could prevail. So Ryan won by using his politenes to illustrate the two nazi thugs at the table with him.

BTW, i cannot tell you how many women i have already heard say how they HATED Bidens smug, dissmissive, and insulting tactics. Instantly reminded them of ex-husbands.


33 posted on 10/14/2012 1:07:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: presidio9

Not very creative thinking on Joe’s part to recycle an old line, but the dumb suckers watching must have thought it was cool, so it was a good idea.

Ryan knew this was coming sometime in the debate and should have come back with, “No, not any more than you are, Joe, but he knew a lot more about how to fire up an economy than present day democrats and the obama administration.”

That would have brought the roof down!


34 posted on 10/14/2012 1:10:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: presidio9

If Kennedy were alive today, he’d be a RINO and the left would detest him.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 1:10:14 PM PDT by peggybac (Hope and Change has become Divide and Conquer)
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To: chris37
It was almost like Joe was just waiting for Ryan to utter the name of some other famous politician so he could respond “Oh so now you think you’re blah blah...”

Certainly. Just like Lloyd Bentsen had preprepared his "You're no Jack Kennedy" retort to Dan Quayle for the 1988 vice presidential debates (Bentsen didn't actually know Kennedy and they certainly weren't friends, but they were in Congress at the same time; in any case, it's not factually accuracy that counts in such encounters, but drama and appearances).

Bentsen found an appropriate moment to deliver his zinger. Biden didn't but unleashed his anyway. Because the moment and circumstances weren't quite right, Biden's retort didn't have the same effect as Bentsen's. I'd be surprised if both Biden and Ryan weren't aware of that 1988 moment.

36 posted on 10/14/2012 1:10:44 PM PDT by x
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To: Reddon
"He cites Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, and I forget the other."

According to JFK in his NY Econ Club speech it was Eisenhower in 1954.

Maybe it's because I was around in 1962, but Biden simply made Ryan's point, without inflicting any damage.

37 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:04 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: presidio9

Oh, so now you think you’re Cicero!


38 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:26 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: JohnBrowdie
Well the fact is there were two fiscal conservatives in most of our lifetimes.
Kennedy did what Reagan did and Ryan was pointing that out. Biden was already interrupting Ryan before he could get half way through the sentence about the taxes being reduced by Kennedy.

Maybe next Obamy will call out to Martin Luther King and Romney can mention he was a Republican....

39 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:38 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: presidio9

Ryan missed the rebuttal:

“Mr Vice President, my policies are almost identical to President Kennedy’s while your policies have very little in common with his.”

The truth is that Kennedy’s policies, especially his economic policies, are much more similar to Romney/Ryan policies than to Obama/Biden.

If Kennedy was alive today and had the same policies as he did in 1960 the democrats would be calling him a far right extremist.


40 posted on 10/14/2012 1:13:57 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: tumblindice

Oh, so now you think you’re Godzilla!


41 posted on 10/14/2012 1:14:17 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: presidio9
"But Democrats still believe that Jack Kennedy is their great messiah and so I think that's what made so many Democrats angry."

Hard to believe that anybody was actually seriously mad about this -- or even pretending to be mad.

42 posted on 10/14/2012 1:14:37 PM PDT by x
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To: Kansas58; JohnBrowdie

Well, the LEFT wants us to be intimidated by this.
I think Romney should tell Obama:

“JFK Cut tax rates
JFK fought Communism
JFK said, ‘ask not what your country can do for you’
Mr. President, you are no Jack Kennedy”


This bears repeating. Shove it right back to ‘em!


43 posted on 10/14/2012 1:14:41 PM PDT by shove_it (DNC = perpetual emotion machine)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, so now you think you’re Lazamataz!


44 posted on 10/14/2012 1:15:20 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Reddon

Probably the Mellon tax cuts, named after the Treasury Secretary of Harding and Coolidge.

Top marginal rate was cut from over 70% down to 24%. This along with Harding cutting government spending to exactly half of the previous administration led to the Roaring Twenties.


45 posted on 10/14/2012 1:15:25 PM PDT by OA5599
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To: entropy12

Gotta agree, nothing says “stuck on stupid” any better than that!


46 posted on 10/14/2012 1:15:42 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Iron Munro
Ryan did fine. Identifying himself more closely with Kennedy would have given Biden’s remarks some semblance of reality.

Let's face it — if JFK were alive now, and not utterly senile, he'd say and do and think the same things the rest of his family says and does and thinks.

And wrapping one's self in any Kennedy's mantle wouldn't necessarily appeal to a lot of Republican voters. So Ryan was right in not making more of the JFK thing.

47 posted on 10/14/2012 1:21:12 PM PDT by x
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To: presidio9

Obama is going to have to smoke a bunch of crack and bath salts, on a binge starting right now, if he is going to match Biden’s weird performance in the next debate.


48 posted on 10/14/2012 1:21:32 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Winning is Everything.)
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To: DesertRhino

Apparently it is a 50-50 opinion split. Many believe as you do. My impression was derived from watching the debate-as did others. I just happened to fall on the side believing Biden’s “Technique” worked. I will not change my vote from Republican to Democrat because I believe Biden won.


49 posted on 10/14/2012 1:23:55 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Kansas58

[ JFK fought Communism ]

NO he should say, JFK fought SOCIALISM not Communism..
Most Americans have no idea Communism “IS” Socialism..
but the NAZI’s and Italian Fascists were also Socialists..

Best not to bring up the “Bay of Pigs” fiasco..
Kennedy FUBAR’ed that like any democrat would..
He recruited, trained and sent many Cubans to be slaughtered there..

He was completely as dumb as Teddy was, Bobby was marginally smarter..


50 posted on 10/14/2012 1:23:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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