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Muslims protest 'age of mockery' as thousands descend on Google HQ [London]
Telegraph - UK ^ | October 14, 2012 | Jennifer O'Mahony

Posted on 10/14/2012 1:36:26 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Protest outside Google HQ in Buckingham Palace Road organised by the Muslim Action Forum. Photo: GEOFF PUGH

A protest by 10,000 Muslims outside the offices of Google in London today is just the first in an orchestrated attempt to force the company to remove an anti-Islamic film from website YouTube in Britain.

Thousands had travelled from as far afield as Glasgow to take part in the demonstration,ahead of a planned million-strong march in Hyde Park in coming weeks.

....."Organisations like Google are key players and have to take responsibility for civility. You can't just say it doesn't matter that it's freedom of speech. It's anarchy."

Sheikh Siddiqui,a barrister from Nuneaton,said he wanted to form a coalition with the Church of England, Catholics, Jewish groups,Trade Unions and even Conservatives to encourage their ranks to join his "campaign for civility".

"We want everyone in society to recognise these people are wrecking our fragile global society....

As many as 800 imams in mosques across Britain helped to organise today's protest,which lasted four hours and blocked roads almost up to the Queen's doorstep on Buckingham Palace Road.

Muslims from Blackburn,Birmingham,Glasgow,Luton,Manchester and Peterborough were in attendance. When asked where where the women attending the protest were,one protester replied:"Right at the back".

Self-employed businessman Ahmed Nasar said he was worried the video could lead to violence in Britain in the same way as it had abroad."If you push people too far,"he said,"You will turn the peaceful elements into violence."

A YouTube spokesperson said:"We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions.This can be a challenge because what's OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere. This video-which is widely available on the Web-is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalnonspeech; googleislammovie; googleprotest; internet; islamicterrorism; islamism; muslimprotest
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1 posted on 10/14/2012 1:36:34 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

EVERYTHING P*ssses off these people.

2 posted on 10/14/2012 1:42:06 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"If you push people too far,"he said,"You will turn the peaceful elements into violence."

Actually, that is a true statement.

3 posted on 10/14/2012 1:42:32 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That's newspeak (Orwell) for agreement with the totalitarian order. Soon we will need to start counting how many people are killed in the name of civility.

4 posted on 10/14/2012 1:44:25 PM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No, we don’t hate you or your demented prophet.

You just turn our stomach. Now, go jump in the sea.

5 posted on 10/14/2012 1:44:48 PM PDT by Hardraade ( (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They need to have their book banned as hate speech....

6 posted on 10/14/2012 1:44:48 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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When asked where where the women attending the protest were,one protester replied:"Right at the back".

Gotta love it, they always revert to their mean.

7 posted on 10/14/2012 1:45:05 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Ann Archy

Notice all the printed signs that go so well with their faux complaining.

8 posted on 10/14/2012 1:46:33 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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They have a comical, incredible, benighted and anachronistic faith that makes them easily sent into a murderous hissy at the slightest dissent—which makes them dangerously immature as well.

Gee, got a lot to respect there...

9 posted on 10/14/2012 1:46:44 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("The good news? Obama lost--the bad news? Mitt won." have)
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Hey Great Britain, this is what you get when you let these pigs practice Sharia (sp) Law.

Sorry, but I have no pity for your country's liberal leaning stupidity! How's that diversity working out for you? Idiots!

10 posted on 10/14/2012 1:46:44 PM PDT by Artcore
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..."million-strong march in Hyde Park in coming weeks"...

Tactical nukes.

11 posted on 10/14/2012 1:47:28 PM PDT by carriage_hill (The 0bummer Penguin: I played this country like a harp from hell.)
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They keep trying to evade the problem ~ that there's a reason for that mockery ~ a very well deserved reason.

Without free speech they will never know why everybody laughs at them.

12 posted on 10/14/2012 1:47:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“A word to Muslims..
We don’t care if you’re offended, and we never will. Get used to it.”

-—Pat Condell

14 posted on 10/14/2012 1:49:36 PM PDT by Autonomous User (The Obama Doctrine: Blame America First.)
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Let’s not quibble over who hates who...

Let’s just ship them all back to the Middle East.

15 posted on 10/14/2012 1:49:44 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Winning is Everything.)
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To: carriage_hill

OMG! We are going to London in a few weeks and staying very close to Hyde Park!!! CRAP.

16 posted on 10/14/2012 1:52:33 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why are these cave people on the net anyway? To watch porn , like mohammed would have?

17 posted on 10/14/2012 1:53:38 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Terrorism is that islam exists.

Get rid of it.

18 posted on 10/14/2012 1:54:22 PM PDT by Hardraade ( (I will fear no muslim))
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"If you push people too far,"he said,"You will turn the peaceful elements into violence."

Good, that's when you machine-gun these Muslim vermin to flesh pulp.

Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists are mocked / made fun of all the time, but they don't go rabid-brained like these Kaaba-kissing, Mecca-circling bastards.


Tolerating Islamist intolerance

 by KPS Gill

A great deal has been written on the 'cartoon controversy', but it is far from enough. The current storm of orchestrated violence and intimidatory protests across the world is symbolic of a deep and sustained intolerance among Muslims, and of rising levels of tolerance of Muslim intolerance, that jointly undermine the possibility of freedom in large parts of the world.

Crucially, it is precisely this tolerance of intolerance that has allowed vocal and violent radicalised Islamist minorities to silence Muslim majorities and to transform the global image of Islam into the grotesque parody of the faith that the Danish cartoons sought - perhaps indelicately - to reflect.

Offensive though these cartoons may have been - and they were not offensive to at least some Muslims, who saw in them, not an insult to the Prophet or the faith, but rather a critique of the unrelenting violence that has become the defining character of much of the Muslim world - the criminal incitement and calls to 'butcher/kill/behead those who insult Islam' have only reinforced the images the cartoons reflected, "allowing mass hysteria to define Islam's message".

What dishonours Islam more? A few irreverent cartoons? Or the acts of remorseless murder, of relentless violence against people of other faiths, of the intimidation and abuse of all other faiths and communities, which the Islamists - including states adhering to the Islamist ideology, such as Pakistan - routinely engage in? Why, then, does the Muslim world not rise up in rage against these fanatics and political opportunists who are bringing disgrace and disrepute to their faith? Why are the voices of criticism against extremist Islam and Islamist terrorism so muted?

Indeed, why is it that all occasional and invariably qualified criticism of these terrorists is accompanied by vague justifications of the need to 'understand root causes' and the 'hurt' caused to the 'Muslim psyche'? Is the 'Muslim psyche' uniquely susceptible to injury?

Venomous characterisations of Hindus, Jews, Christians and, generally, all kafirs, are the stock-in-trade of the discourse in some Muslim countries, often communicated through official media, such as national television channels. The ideologies of hatred against other faiths are systematically propagated in so many Muslim states - we in India are familiar with the Pakistani case, where school curricula routinely demonise non-Muslims.

And do the words or pictures or caricatures by non-Muslims do more injury to the 'Islamic world' than the hideous acts of terrorism that Islamists have been inflicting on non-Muslims - and, indeed, on so many Muslims - all over the world? Worse, after so many Muslim-majority states have simply wiped out their own minorities, or are, even today, in the process of doing so, these very states go shrieking around about 'hurting the sentiments of minorities' when something is said against Muslims or Islam.

Indeed, 'Islamic' states oppress even their own sectarian minorities - be they non-Wahabbi Sunnis in some cases, or Shia, Ismaili, Ahmadiya, or Sufi, in others - not only through systematic denial of elementary religious rights to these sects, but, as in the case of Pakistan, through state sponsored terrorist movements against such minorities - recall that the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan was set up by General Zia-ul-Haq to target Shias in the wake of the Iranian revolution, and continued to enjoy the support of the state under successor regimes, till it got mixed up with the Al Qaeda and anti-US terrorism, and lost its status as a sarkari (state supported) jihadi organisation.

Many 'Islamic' countries have institutionalised this intolerance, outlawing the public practice of any other Faith, and made the possession of any religious icon, other than Muslim, a punishable offence. Non-Muslim minorities live in abject terror of blasphemy laws in Pakistan, as in many other Muslim countries.

The truth is, the state lies behind much of the Islamist extremism and frenzy that we are witnessing today. To return to the case of the Danish cartoons, there was no 'spontaneous outburst' of popular sentiment; it was only after the Organisation of Islamic Countries decided to whip up emotions around the issue, and states like Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Saudi Arabia began to incite the rabble through official statements and actions, or statements by religious leaders tied to the regimes there, disseminated through official media, that the violent street protests commenced.

In Pakistan, the protests and the violence have principally been led by the Jamaat-ud-Dawa - the reincarnation of the purportedly 'banned' Lashkar-e-Toiba - which has flourished under state patronage, and that was cast by the Musharraf administration into a 'leadership' role recently in the relief operations after the earthquake that devastated parts of Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

But the 'cartoon crisis' is not unique. Even while this controversy was raging across the world, Shia minorities were being attacked by Sunni terrorists in Pakistan; in the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, a case was registered against the local chapter of the Bible Society of India for the 'grievous crime' of distributing "gas cylinders, three water bottles, audio cassettes and a copy of the New Testament in Urdu" to earthquake victims in a village in Uri.

In Ladakh, riots were engineered between Muslims and Buddhists because some torn pages of the Quran were recovered, leading to allegations of sacrilege. In the Aligarh Muslim University, a young girl was being threatened with collective rape for daring to protest against a diktat against wearing jeans and a T-shirt. These are only a few current and proximate examples of a remorseless oppression over the decades.

Such thuggeries are, of course, not unique to Islam. There are extremist groups drawing dubious 'inspiration' from other faiths who ape such conduct as well, and Valentines Day this year - as in the past few years - attracted the ire and violence of Hindu extremist hooligans. But these remain - fortunately - aberrations in the larger context of conduct among adherents of other faiths. They have increasingly become the dominant form of public articulation in the Muslim community.

There is an American Indian saying: 'it takes an entire village to raise a single child'. Similarly, it takes a very large community, often entire nations, to raise a single suicide bomber. For far too long, extremist Muslim discourse has been tolerated - to the point of incitement to murder - in the belief that acts of terrorism are distinct from such ideologies of hatred. But it is the wide acceptance within large sections of Muslim communities in many countries of these ideologies of hatred that produce the environment within which groups can mobilise, recruit motivate, train and deploy terrorists and suicide bombers.

Muslim liberals have long advocated 'understanding and tolerance' when dealing with Muslim sensibilities, but have seldom been known to aggressively argue for greater 'understanding and tolerance' for other faiths in 'Islamic' countries, where the record of intolerance towards and oppression of religious minorities is utterly revolting. There is a great 'Muslim exceptionalism' at work here.

The 'Muslim world' demands an absolute freedom without limits, but confers no freedom whatsoever, either on other faiths, or on dissent within its own faith. The 'tolerance' advocated by certain passages in the Quran is only something to parade at inter-faith conferences, and constitutes no part of the practice of most Muslim majority states - no doubt with occasional exceptions.

The demand, today, to impose a selective censorship in Europe on speech that is insulting to Muslims - when similar speech against other faiths enjoys full freedom - is an effort by Muslim minorities to impose, through mass violence and intimidation, their belief systems within the larger systems they have come to inhabit.

Europe would be, not only foolish, but suicidal, if it succumbs to this terrorism and coercion to invent new curbs on the media and on the freedom of speech. The democratic world must remain committed to its enlightenment values and ideals, and to the rough-and-tumble of free discourse in the 'marketplace of ideas'. All communal thuggeries, whatever faith they may claim to 'represent', must be brought to an end, and every available means must be bent to this purpose.

Personally, I think, the more fun we make of our own religions, the better it will be for the whole world, and, indeed, for our respective Faiths. I am immensely proud of being a Sikh, and am confident that no jokes or cartoons can ever undermine the eternal verities of my religion.

(Published in The Pioneer Newpaper, India - February 18, 2006)


Kanwar Pal Singh Gill

Kanwar Pal Gill, was born in Ludhiana, Punjab, India. He began his career as a police officer in the north-eastern state of Assam, quickly earning a reputation as a tough officer. He became a household name across the country as Punjab police chief in the early 1990s, when he was credited with crushing a separatist revolt in the Sikh-majority state.

Widely given credit for addressing the terrorism in Punjab, Mr Gill was dubbed “Super Cop” after his success in that state. He publishes the Faultlines journal and runs the Institute for Conflict Management, as well as advising governments and institutions on security related issues. He was asked by the government of Sri Lanka last year for similar advice. Mr Gill has also written a book, “The Knights of Falsehood”, which explores the abuse of religious institutions by the politics of freedom struggle in Punjab.

He got involved in sports administration after retirement and is currently the IHF ( Indian Hockey Federation) president.

He has also been appointed as a consultant by the Chattisgarh government to help tackle the Naxalite movement in the state.


“Democracy and liberalism are not a sufficient defence and this is a fact that the ideologues of ‘freedom’ need, equally, to comprehend. There is a fatal flaw in the liberal mind. Having established, in structure and form [though seldom in substance], a system of governance that corresponds to its conception of democracy, it feels that nothing more needs to be done. The ‘Truths’ of the liberal ideology are, as the American Declaration on the Rights of Man expresses it, ‘Self Evident’. They require no proof, no reiteration, and no defence - certainly no defence by force of arms. Once democracy [or even the ritual of quinquinneal elections] is established, according to liberal mythology, the mystical ‘invisible hand’ keeps everything in place; the ‘superior wisdom of the masses’ ensures order and justice...”. This is just so much rubbish. As we should know after living with falsehoods for fifty years now. Truth does not triumph; unless it has champions to propound it, unless it has armies to defend it.”

From his book, ‘Punjab: The Knights of Falsehood’


For some critics his success is a part of the story started by predecessor Julio Francis Ribeiro who started the “Bullet for Bullet” campaign of hitting back at militants and the strong hand in dealing with militancy adopted by Chief Minister Beant Singh.

19 posted on 10/14/2012 1:54:41 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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20 posted on 10/14/2012 1:56:34 PM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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