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Boomer Power and the War on the Young
The American Interest ^ | October 4, 2012 | N/A

Posted on 10/14/2012 3:34:55 PM PDT by Publius804

The Economist ominously reports:

The struggle to digest the swollen generation of ageing baby-boomers threatens to strangle economic growth. As the nature and scale of the problem become clear, a showdown between the generations may be inevitable.

The statistics are frightening:

The average federal tax rate for a median American household, including income and payroll taxes, dropped from more than 18% in 1981 to just over 11% in 2011. Yet sensible tax reforms left less revenue for the generous benefits boomers have continued to vote themselves, such as a prescription-drug benefit paired with inadequate premiums. Deficits exploded. Erick Eschker, an economist at Humboldt State University, reckons that each American born in 1945 can expect nearly $2.2m in lifetime net transfers from the state—more than any previous cohort.

Boomers’ sponging may well outstrip that of younger generations as well. A study by the International Monetary Fund in 2011 compared the tax bills of a cohort’s members over their lifetime with the value of the benefits that they are forecast to receive. The boomers are leaving a huge bill. Those aged 65 in 2010 may receive $333 billion more in benefits than they pay in taxes (see chart), an obligation 17 times larger than that likely to be left by those aged 25.

The Boomers are a powerful, large group of both voters and policymakers:

More worrying is that this generation seems to be able to leverage its size into favourable policy. Governments slashed tax rates in the 1980s to revitalise lagging economies, just as boomers approached their prime earning years.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; federalspending; generationx; generationy; genreagan; genx; ponzischeme; seniors; taxes; themegeneration; workforce

1 posted on 10/14/2012 3:34:59 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: Publius804

You are over-simplifying.

What is needed is not just a generational shift. What is needed is a return to AMERICA.

America first.


2 posted on 10/14/2012 3:37:58 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Publius804

I’m a boomer. Damn those young!


3 posted on 10/14/2012 3:38:05 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yup!


4 posted on 10/14/2012 3:41:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Obama "foam"?)
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To: Publius804
Erick Eschker, an economist at Humboldt State University, reckons that each American born in 1945 can expect nearly $2.2m in lifetime net transfers from the state—

Well that's sure interesting, especially since the baby boom didn't start until 1946.

5 posted on 10/14/2012 3:46:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Publius804

“The boomers are leaving a huge bill. “
Yeah, but it’s worth it to be rid of us isn’t it?

What a wasted generation. We could have led mankind to the stars instead we chose the iron bowl.


6 posted on 10/14/2012 3:47:33 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Publius804
Boomers are still paying for the "Greatest Generation." After paying $20,000 a year in Social Security taxes, working two jobs, and paying outrageous costs for their kids' college, then watching their home value drop by 40%, by the time they retire, Social Security will be bust.

What a deal.

7 posted on 10/14/2012 3:48:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: Publius804
The first Boomer to come into power was Bill Clinton.

The first time conservative Boomers got a chance was the Republican Revolution of 1994. Those ‘conservatives’ went to Washington DC and started acting like elite RINOs.

You can't blame the rest of us for what has happened.

The Greatest Generation set it up and we've been fighting back ever since.

8 posted on 10/14/2012 3:48:38 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Publius804
Yet sensible tax reforms left less revenue for the generous benefits boomers have continued to vote themselves, such as a prescription-drug benefit paired with inadequate premiums.

Good grief! Boomers didn't vote in a prescription-drug benefit. Our dolt of a president and Congress did this to us.

This class warfare is no more flattering when well-meaning people on the right stoop to it.

Yes we need to address the issue of government handouts, and returning things to the private sector is the way to go. And studies on longevity reveal that it only takes about 20 years for senior programs to be completely swapped out.

That's what we should focus on.

Under the right replacement program, we could have a significant reduction on the cost of seniors on federal programs in ten years. Let's get on with it.

9 posted on 10/14/2012 3:49:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: mrsmith
instead we chose the iron bowl.

Sorry. Iron bowl is what?

10 posted on 10/14/2012 3:53:26 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Publius804
What absolute economic baloney BS.

I, card-carrying member of the Boomer generation, remember clearly the wailing and the gnashing of teeth in the early seventies by the media that there weren't enough jobs to go around to employ all the young Boomers entering the workforce.

There was also a great deal of worrying that there weren't enough shares of stock to provide Boomers with investment opportunities for their old age. Their selfish parents held them all.

These people still think there's a pie and we have to divide it. That we might bake another is beyond their ken.

11 posted on 10/14/2012 3:59:54 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Teach a man to fish and you lose a Democratic voter.)
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To: bill1952

“Iron rice bowl” is the term most frequently used-

Meaning cradle to grave government care of a citizen.

Actually Im thinking more generally of government responsibility for our needs. The epitome of that choice for my generation was abandoning space exploration and settlement to fund the ‘War On Poverty’.


12 posted on 10/14/2012 4:04:59 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Publius804
Blaming "Boomers" is crazy.

Blame FDR and the "New Deal".

The Kenyan must go.

13 posted on 10/14/2012 4:52:30 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Publius804

Substitute progressives instead of boomers and the story will fly. Socialism in the US started with the Wilson progressives and continues to today.


14 posted on 10/14/2012 4:57:56 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: DoughtyOne

I don’t think those on the right espousing “warfare” are well meaning. They are trying to wage a divide, just like their Democratic counterparts.


15 posted on 10/14/2012 5:04:54 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Publius804

Younger folks, ready to be truly productive in factories, will find a way to dispose of government/services Baby Boomers, rich from government incomes/revenues, who aren’t self-sufficient or productive. And I’m a Baby Boomer. We’re the Useless, Thieving, Lying, Vain Generation. Oh, and did I say mouthy? More of my peers are mouthy, too. Except for my peers who are prior military service (like me, not really Baby Boomers at heart), my Baby Boomer peers also comprise the most cowardly generation.

[I recently quit smoking and started enjoying the extra grouchiness on top of becoming an old man. Deal with it.]


16 posted on 10/14/2012 5:05:59 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness smelled around the earth.)
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To: stilloftyhenight

I agree.


17 posted on 10/14/2012 5:06:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: DoughtyOne; Publius804; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; ozzymandus; Cringing Negativism Network; ...
...the generous benefits boomers have continued to vote themselves,...

This idea that baby boomers are into using Big Government to line their pockets at the expense of younger generations is contradicticted by just about all the presidential election polling breakdowns I've seen. It's the majority of the younger voters who are supporting the party foolishly advocating continuing Social Security and Medicare as they are, while the majority of the older voters support the party which realistically sees that that demographic trends will inevitably cause the government spigot to run dry unless significant structural change is made to these programs in the near future.

18 posted on 10/14/2012 5:13:26 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: ex91B10; All
Blame FDR and the "New Deal".

Yes, the major impetus for the start of Social Security in the 1930s was the feeling among the ruling Democrats then that giving seniors a little government handout would cause the elderly to vote for them for years to come.

Democrat politicians have continued to play on this theme up until today, and Obama and Biden are still using it. (Since the 1960s, they have added Medicare to the list of government goodies for the elderly.)

But the only problem is that today's seniors aren't necessarily buying the well-worn Democrat line, as polls now show.

19 posted on 10/14/2012 5:26:07 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Just stupidly continuing SS and Medicare “as is” is nothing more or less than continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result. (A Democrat talking point that they disavow when it’s convenient.) BREAD & CIRCUSES & CAKES & JELLYROLLS.


20 posted on 10/14/2012 5:26:56 PM PDT by Twinkie (HUSSEIN OBAMA GOTTA GO!!!)
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To: justiceseeker93
Yes, the major impetus for the start of Social Security in the 1930s was the feeling among the ruling Democrats then that giving seniors a little government handout would cause the elderly to vote for them for years to come.

As bad as it is, SS doesn't come close to equalling the collective damage attributable to the "New Deal" substantial effects doctrine of the Commerce Clause.

The "Greatest Generation" handed Congress a blank check.

21 posted on 10/14/2012 5:41:15 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: justiceseeker93
But the only problem is that today's seniors aren't necessarily buying the well-worn Democrat line, as polls now show.

I don't know about your thesis of seniors rejecting entitlements, given that the reason they are turning to RR may be Zero's $500 billion cut in MediCare.

22 posted on 10/14/2012 5:49:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: tacticalogic
The "Greatest Statist Generation" handed Congress a blank check.

FIFY

23 posted on 10/14/2012 5:59:43 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Fiji Hill
FWIW, I think they just did not understand what the consequences were going to be. They let fear get the better of them, and the politicians cultivated and played on it.

They should have shot Wickard, and sent Filburn to Congress.

24 posted on 10/14/2012 6:04:30 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: familyop

Guilt trip much?

I’m a boomer, vintage 7/46. My wife finds me pretty useful. I don’t steal, I don’t lie, as a rule, and I’m bald and overweight so vanity’s right out. I do tend to get a little mouthy with liberal idiots, that I do admit.

I’m a Vietnam combat vet. No medals but also, no PTSD, either. I did my time, came home and picked up where I left off without whining. My company had a pension plan once but decided to end it, and 9-11 and the latest recession have left my 401K in ruins. My wife of 44 years and I are getting by as best we can in retirement and ask for no more than that the promises our government made to us be honored. And if the bastards think they’re going to grind us down in our old age without a fight, they will find out I’m no coward, either, because I fully intend to take a few of them with me.

Boomer Power!!


25 posted on 10/14/2012 6:05:08 PM PDT by beelzepug ("0bama is a feckless crapweasel")
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To: tacticalogic; All
The "Greatest Generation" handed Congress a blank check.

If by "the Greatest Generation" you are referring to the generation that fought WWII, they were, for the most part, too young to be voting and participating in politics at the time of the "New Deal." It was their parents and grandparents who were largely politically responsible for it.

That "substantial effects" doctrine of the Commerce Clause came in a 1942 Supreme Court case, Wickard v. Filburn. You can't really blame "the Greatest Generation" for that because they had much more pressing concerns as they were actively engaged in a world war at the time. The seeds for Wickard v. Filburn were sown starting about five years earlier when Roosevelt started to appoint his pals to the SCOTUS. "The Greatest Generation," as I said, was too young to have much political clout when that occurred.

26 posted on 10/14/2012 6:16:18 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

If they weren’t part of the “Greatest Generation”, what “generation” were they? The “Boomers” are their children.....


27 posted on 10/14/2012 6:25:03 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Publius804

Racial demographics determine the future success of America when boomers withdraw from the workplace more than anything. Education levels, work ethic, crime rates, socialization for individual liberty and constitutional government, etc. will determine the economic and social success generations following boomers.

Boomers have a lot of amorals and socialists running our institutions; but they were beaten back by American conservatives in political power or things would be much worse.

The younger generations don’t have the benefit of that strong group of educated and socialized American-American conservatives. Liberal boomers culturally cleansed the joint while flooding America with foreigners and globalization.

The more Americans that look at themselves as ‘racial victims’ with free stuff coming to them and have no clue about personal responsibility, morality, constitutional government and ideals, the more this country will dive.

These people would be wiser to remove the left from American institutions than whinning about too much success among boomers. You can not rob and cheat one generation to make the next generation of foreigners, losers and resenters wealthy. We can steal all of the boomers’ retirement money and push them out on the streets but that won’t make for wealth and success for the younger generations.

Don’t worry too much, though. Bamster and his pals has them lined up for institutionalized murder in the name of rationed death care.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 6:53:57 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Publius804
“Deficits exploded. Erick Eschker, an economist at Humboldt State University, reckons that each American born in 1945 can expect nearly $2.2m in lifetime net transfers from the state—more than any previous cohort.”

My father receives $600 a month SS. He wants to know when he'll receive the rest of his $2.2 million.

29 posted on 10/14/2012 6:59:58 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tacticalogic
They let fear get the better of them, and the politicians cultivated and played on it.

But I thought that Roosevelt declared that "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."/(sarc.)

They should have shot Wickard, and sent Filburn to Congress.

Have to confess that I chuckled at that one. But literally speaking, I don't think that shooting Wickard would have helped the cause of freedom at the time, since he would probably have been replaced by another bureaucrat of the same ilk. As for Filburn, he should be admired for his pursuit of his very important case to the Supreme Court, but I don't know if he had any interest in a political career.

30 posted on 10/14/2012 7:21:52 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

In my area it is contradicted by the enormous property taxes used to primarily fund the school lobby. Many older people in my area are being driven from their homes.


31 posted on 10/14/2012 8:16:19 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Carry_Okie

Amen! We are the ones going to be left holding the empty bag. The problem is not Boomers; it is government programs that rob from one set of people to give to another. This is what pits groups of Americans against one another. It wasn’t the Boomers who voted for FDR.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 8:54:53 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Publius804
What war?

Is this the generation gap redux to go along with the '60s Marxist meme?

We're all in the same boat, here, and sinking one end of it will only raise the other for a moment before it all slides under.

33 posted on 10/14/2012 11:45:11 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Publius804

34 posted on 10/15/2012 4:01:49 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: beelzepug
"Guilt trip much?"

Nope. Being a little more like our fathers and grandfathers than most of our drug-addicted peers, I don't "trip" on anything.


35 posted on 10/15/2012 8:18:48 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness smelled around the earth.)
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To: justiceseeker93

I think the younger voters are being gamed to hate the people on Social Security and Medicare. It as if they were evil, for paying into those systems their whole life, and are now taking the younger people’s money unfairly.

There is truth to the idea that older folks are taking money directly from workers. What’s lost in all this, is that money was taken from today’s retirees during their careers too. It’s just the way things worked. And today’s seniors didn’t set up the game.

I support this all being returned to a self-contained savings program for future retirees. I do so with the knowledge that if set up correctly, future retirees will live far better retired lives, and in some instances be able to retire much sooner.

Instead of folks looking at today’s retirees and having some animus toward them, they should look at them and feel sorry that retirement planning wasn’t privatized decades sooner, so today’s retirees could have a better standard of living.

Thankfully, it no appears reform is on the radar, and today’s young people will have it much better by the time they retire. And I’m happy as can be about that.


36 posted on 10/15/2012 10:07:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Let’s not let facts get into the way of reality here.


37 posted on 10/15/2012 10:09:06 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: tacticalogic
They should have shot Wickard, and sent Filburn to Congress.

(standing ovation!)

38 posted on 10/15/2012 10:12:34 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: justiceseeker93

Agreed. The real damage started with the early century progressive generation that brought about the 16th (income tax) and 17th ( direct election of Senators) Amendments. Those were the two enablers for what they then allowed FDR to do with the New Deal.


39 posted on 10/15/2012 10:34:28 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

And let’s not forget the Federal Reserve.


40 posted on 10/15/2012 2:10:47 PM PDT by beelzepug ("0bama is a feckless crapweasel")
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