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Female soldiers fight Pentagon in court for combat positions
MSNBC ^ | 10/11/2012 | David Zucchino

Posted on 10/14/2012 5:47:31 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch

BRISTOW, Va. - Last year, Army Col. Ellen Haring thought she was finally getting her dream job. She was selected to supervise female soldiers who search and interview Afghan women in combat zones for special operations units.

Haring spent three months training at Ft. Bragg, N.C. Then, just before she was to deploy to Afghanistan, she got a phone call from a staff officer. "Ma'am, we don't think you're qualified," she recalled him saying.

The job went to a lower-ranking male officer. Haring was outraged. "How could I not be qualified?" she said. "I'd already been thoroughly vetted just to get to Ft. Bragg."

No one would give her a reason, she said. But she believed it was her lack of experience in combat, denied because she's a woman.

In May, Haring - West Point graduate, career officer, wife of an Army colonel, doctoral student - and another female Army Reserve soldier sued the military. The lawsuit says the Pentagon's exclusion of women from most combat positions is unconstitutional.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: combat
We all know, without doubt, that an all female battalion could never go head to head with an all male enemy battalion, Chi-Com or Russian.  Not physically capable of a match-up head to head against all male enemy forces.  In other words, female soilders are dependant on their male counterparts in the arena of combat.  But, male soldiers are in no way dependant on their female counterparts in the arena of combat.  There's your logical answer on the wisdom of allowing females in combat.  It's pure PC BS, dangerous PC BS.

 

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1 posted on 10/14/2012 5:47:36 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch

>> It’s pure PC BS, dangerous PC BS.<<

So have been the conduct of our operations in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the ROE for same.


2 posted on 10/14/2012 5:51:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (We can’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: CaptainKrunch

Court should defer


3 posted on 10/14/2012 5:52:15 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: CaptainKrunch

Its all about her, never mind the country, the people beside her or those that will die so she can build her resume.


4 posted on 10/14/2012 5:52:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

As soon as you can find the first woman who can carry a full combat load plus mortar rounds, then we can talk. Until then too bad!


5 posted on 10/14/2012 5:53:18 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Women do NOT have the same upper body strength as men. They would typically be overpowered in hand to hand combat.

Our military should NOT bow to pc-ness.


6 posted on 10/14/2012 5:58:03 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: CaptainKrunch

this is just as stupid as letting openly serving homosexuals.

Women cannot carry 100 pound, over 35 miles, and then fight, they have periods, they are not built the same and before anyone has a go at me then here is something which they need to know.

I was one of the guys who got put with a woman on a trial period in the Arctic.

She was not ass trong, she was on her period, we had an animals trackking us because of her, some of the men could only run after her instead of keeping their minds on the jobs.

I wrote an report saying all of this to the higher ups and I;m betting my report was ignored like so many other reports about homosexuals serving.

The problem in the military today but not as much as the marines is we have too much PC.

Many now join to get their VA, etc, they get their free school and many are useless today.

Go and look at how many out of shape navy, army folks are about, look at the state of their uniform, how they cant do their job.

Oh and why do women not do the same fitness test as men but then think they should do the same job?

Only two pull ups to get int he marines now, that is pathetic.
one for women.

While we have some good folks serving we also have many who are not and it is getting worse plus officers being promoted based on their poltics.

Perfect example the woman officer who was promoted to General or soemthing and she looks over Arlington , she has never bene to war, oh but she is a homosexual and who has lied for years about it.

WE CANNOT AFFORD 4 MORE YEARS OF THIS INSANITY AND WE HAVE TO FORCE ROMNEY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND OVERTURN MANY ORDERS , STOP THE PC etc


7 posted on 10/14/2012 5:58:45 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CaptainKrunch

This is just another front in the Democrat’s WAR ON BABIES. Women would, of course, then have to register for the draft. Once called up, most of the inner city women would have to go into the Infantry. They will suffer horrendous casualties. These dead women from the inner city will have no more babies. This is just a case of pre-pregnancy abortion. The Democrats are no friends to the blacks.


8 posted on 10/14/2012 5:59:22 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: CaptainKrunch

Last year, Army Col. Ellen Haring thought she was finally getting her dream job


Am I the only one who finds this statement ..... strange?


9 posted on 10/14/2012 6:00:44 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: manc

If Romney is elected don’t expect much or any of this to end. He’ll be no better about this stuff then GWB, who did nothing to reverse the trend of feminizing the military. Reagan was the last leader we had that put an end to any of this.


10 posted on 10/14/2012 6:01:43 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: CaptainKrunch

It looks like the picked a flawed victim and then wrote a flawed article about her.

The article states that she is a West Point Graduate who served on active duty for 13 years. She was probably a Major when she left, so certainly not a brigade commander as the article claims. When you bail and go into the Reserves (likely the Individual Ready Reserves) so that you can pursue your doctorate, you take yourself out of the race. Lots of other women stayed in and took the tough jobs that you elected not to do. Sorry, honey it works that way for men too. What you are saying is that those rules should not apply to you.

The article doesn’t say what her branch was or what other qualifications she had. I’m guessing that she got selected for the training because of her sex and someone finally came to their senses. I am also suspicious of the job itself. The women out working with combat units in villages are attached to those units. This sounds like some admin staff job in Kabul.


11 posted on 10/14/2012 6:05:57 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: CaptainKrunch
The lawsuit says the Pentagon's exclusion of women from most combat positions is unconstitutional.

You sign a contract when you join the Military. When you sign your contract you are agreeing to abide by the rules and regulations within the UCMJ. You also waive several of your constitutional rights.

Secondly, the military isn't a democracy. It is an hierarchal dictatorship. If they tell you to charge a hill, you charge a hill. If they change your assigned task, you follow the new task. You follow proper orders without hesitation. The orders provided to her were proper and did not infringe on her rights protected under the UCMJ.

12 posted on 10/14/2012 6:06:25 PM PDT by PJBankard (I told my friends I was heading to Octermocty for the weekend. They replied... "Wear the fox hat")
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To: Reddy

This crap will go on until something happens and we get our a$$es handed to us. Maybe it will be everyone at some base or outpost get massacred because of strict adherence to PC dictates.

The problem is that, even if PC rules cause something like this, it will not be learned from. Rather, it will be covered up. And the MSM won’t ask a single, critical questions. In fact, I predict it will be implied that it happened because we weren’t PC enough. So the Military will be forced to double down in order to make it look like all is well in Wunderland.


13 posted on 10/14/2012 6:09:03 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: CaptainKrunch

Nah.

Let them serve in the front lines. Let them come home with missing body parts and some horrible scars. Go ahead private- take the point.

Matter of fact, let a few of them get captured. Let’s what the enemy does with some captured females.


14 posted on 10/14/2012 6:11:04 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: PJBankard

We see here, that the liberal view is that the military should be some sort of democracy, and that the military should function under the same rules as the rest of society.


15 posted on 10/14/2012 6:11:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: manc

I agree with your analysis. And I hope Obama can be defeated. But, I see no evidence that Romney is going to turn back the clock on these issues, in fact he’s already said he won’t de-homosexualize the military. So if we’re going to force Romney to do somethine, we’ll need a lot of pressure.


16 posted on 10/14/2012 6:14:01 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: CaptainKrunch

You refer to the physical differences, which are obvious, but women think differently too. There is no reason to have women in combat other than to screw everything up.


17 posted on 10/14/2012 6:21:40 PM PDT by GrannyAnn
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To: Nachum
"Let them serve in the front lines. Let them come home with missing body parts and some horrible scars. Go ahead private- take the point.

Matter of fact, let a few of them get captured. Let’s what the enemy does with some captured females."

Well, that would be social justice (military style), but what about the poor schlubs who not only have to perform their normal functions, but also take up the slack of some dellusional fem-warrior who thinks she can do anything a man can do?  Put aside the danger the woman would be in, and think about the additional danger they put the men in for having to take up their slack in a combat situation.  Akin to baby sitting while simultaneously having to deal with combat.  Like having a super weak comrade who can't carry his own load.

18 posted on 10/14/2012 6:28:25 PM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom does not promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

This is radical egalitarianism from Marx. To make men and women interchangeable is the name of the game-—it is to condition men into killing women. Science PROVES they are NOT interchangeable.

It is also to destroy the nurture in women (as abortion does) and destroy the protectiveness natural in a male.

Natural Law Theory—the philosophy of our Constitution claims male and females have DIFFERENT natures—all science and biology proves it. If Natural Law goes—so does Reason and Logic—like in irrational Marxism. To do that, they have been trying to pervert males—promote homosexuality to boys—like they do in Afghanistan where little boys are put in harems and sodomized (like in all homosexual cultures/Samurai/Ancient Greece, etc.).

If they destroy the nurturing aspect of women—all children will be emotional cripples; children need tender love from a mother and attention and protection from a father. Without two parents they can not grow up as nature intended.

Destroy the idea of mother and father-—the family unity-—you destroy the next generation. Only loving parents transmit morality and the ability to deal with all people, not half of the human race like homosexual cultures, like Afghanistan. Political Correctness was invented by Mao. Why do we allow Marxism into our military? Radical feminist, Betty Friedan, was a Communist. Sodomy is a Vice—the founder of the movement, Hay, was a Communist and sodomized as a boy and backed man/boy “love”! Why do we have dysfunctional, vile ideas being forced through UNjust law onto our troops?

Just reeducation camps now—destroying Virtue-—what Machiavelli said was necessary in a military if one was to keep power! Must be Marxists in charge of our military now.


19 posted on 10/14/2012 6:31:50 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: GrannyAnn

I think back to my youth when I was really in shape and could have kept up well. But my emotions would have stopped ruthless behaviour.

I think of today when I could cheerfully fight an enemy and give no quarter. Sadly, the mind is willing but the body is weak.

So I must agree..women in combat may not be such a good idea.


20 posted on 10/14/2012 6:34:34 PM PDT by berdie
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To: CaptainKrunch

If this keeps up for long, the military will be nothing but for show, fabulous for parades and good for little else


21 posted on 10/14/2012 6:38:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: driftdiver

When the femi-nazi’s first started on the jobs females could do in the military and why they pushed so hard to get females in certain positions is due totally to the money they can retire with....they admitted it once on TV and I didn’t forget it....especially experience during war time...and how high a commission they could get....


22 posted on 10/14/2012 6:45:42 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: berdie
“I think of today when I could cheerfully fight an enemy and give no quarter. Sadly, the mind is willing but the body is weak.”

Same here - I would have no trouble pulling the trigger but would have a hard time holding the gun! At my age, I know what I'd be fighting for - my grandkids.

23 posted on 10/14/2012 6:57:29 PM PDT by GrannyAnn
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To: CaptainKrunch

“West Point graduate, career officer, wife of an Army colonel, doctoral student “

Who she screws at night is one of her “qualifications”? Insane. Evil Bit@h is condemning soldiers and little girls to death with this selfish lawsuit.

The ONLY reason women can legally be excluded from a draft, is that there is a legal bar against combat assignments for women. Remove that and EVERY daughter in America can be drafted. This is sick beyond belief and i don’t care who disagrees. Lot’s of girls are still actually raised as girls. It’s a crime against nature to dehumanize them and force these future grandaughters to go to war.


24 posted on 10/14/2012 7:03:44 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: vpintheak

Google her photo. Looks like she should be making candles at the crafts fair. Insane insane insane.


25 posted on 10/14/2012 7:06:59 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: CaptainKrunch
i guess some women just like vaginal and urinary infections from lack of proper female hygiene in the field... go figure
26 posted on 10/14/2012 7:26:47 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: manc

You’re right. I once spoke with a commanding officer in the military. Said his outfit NEVER “bugged out”. When they got a bugout order, the women simply COULDN’T pack up to do so - so they didn’t. - This is the result in part of little girls being raised to have “big outside voices” and bull over everybody in order to BE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BE!! No consideration of reality. - The Soledad O’Briens of the world are proud; and that’s all that matters I suppose.


27 posted on 10/14/2012 7:32:15 PM PDT by Twinkie (HUSSEIN OBAMA GOTTA GO!!!)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Sincere question: BristoW, VA? Might that be BristoL, VA. And just as a continuing education thing, if it IS Bristow, I would appreciate learning in what part of the state it’s located. Thanx.


28 posted on 10/14/2012 7:44:02 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: blueunicorn6

Maybe this girl is an Amazon and can do the job. If she could she w/be 1/100 or more.

The problem is they would use her as an example and require all women to serve in combat units. This will lead to a disaster.

You know this is where this is headed. Equality is their religion.


29 posted on 10/14/2012 8:32:13 PM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: morphing libertarian

We’ll see, but never count on the Courts to get it right. If it goes to the Supreme Court, there are four sure votes to force the military to open up front line ground combat units to women. I think we can count on Scalia, Thomas, and Alito to get it right and vote to defer to the President, Congress, and the military itself.

However, who knows what John Roberts or Anthony Kennedy would do? And if the worst happens and Obama were to win reelection, and he gets to replace a non-liberal, then it is a sure bet that the Sup Court will give the Left yet another victory in the Culture War.


30 posted on 10/14/2012 9:21:58 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: CaptainKrunch

Ya can’t have female cops. Correct?


31 posted on 10/14/2012 9:45:51 PM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Actually, women in combat fraud is not so much based on physical or hygienic problems as trust problems. It’s possible to turn a woman into some sort of hystorectomized pseudo-woman. Their lightweight can help outclimb men on hills in Afghanistan etc... notwithstanding, of course, the horror of modifications many of these women undergo and are condemned by during their service. However, as an inhumane practice as women in combat is, imo, political trust is the worst price of all.

It’s easy for a woman or a gay man to accept rape instead of fighting, to become “friends” with the enemy and to betray the mission. Our men are trustworthy because they are hated by the enemy, and only fighting is their option, but it is not so with women and gays who can become “likeable” or, that is, corruptible.

Even men of combat were demoralized by Tokyo Rose or the booming voice of female communist propagandists in Vietnam, telling the men to not fight and make love, or telling them they were being betrayed at home and should give up. Let us think about what this would do for gays and women in the military and how it can be manipulated: instead of merely calling it quit, they could ask them to switch sides.


32 posted on 10/14/2012 9:53:47 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Tucker39

Bristow, VA is located in Prince William County. It’s not a large town, but by now has probably been built up as a bedroom community for the greater Northern Virginia area. Considering the proximity to Ft. Belvior, Ft. Meade, Quantico, and the Pentagon, it wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a good number of military living there.


33 posted on 10/14/2012 9:54:01 PM PDT by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: Theoria

Police officers are about representation of the citizen and are hired accordingly in both genders.

The military is a different mission of destruction and mandate against foreign enemies, not one based on a private citizenry’s organization of its own security and law enforcement for all types.


34 posted on 10/14/2012 9:57:35 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: freedumb2003

Idiots thinking they are men or something.


35 posted on 10/14/2012 9:57:56 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: manc

>>ass trong<<

We all know you have to have ass trong to make it! ;) I sense a possible FR meme here... ;) :)


36 posted on 10/15/2012 4:55:14 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (We can’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: manc

Not to take away from your 100% correct set of observations. The PC in the military is weakening us as a power AND getting very real people very dead.


37 posted on 10/15/2012 4:57:31 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (We can’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: CaptainKrunch
We all know, without doubt, that an all female battalion could never go head to head with an all male enemy battalion, Chi-Com or Russian. Not physically capable of a match-up head to head against all male enemy forces.

This push comes from female field-grade OFFICERS, who want to get their tickets punched for senior positions. They would not be carrying 100 pound loads. You also never seem to see this from female second lieutenants, who would actually need to be in positions where they get shot at.

If you want to see mass resignation of female military enlisted and junior officers, make it mandatory that they be deployed to nasty places for 6 months, immediately after they finish their training.

38 posted on 10/15/2012 5:06:00 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Theoria

"Ya can’t have female cops. Correct?"

Oh, the laws says we have to have them.  Lucky thing for hardened criminals.

You think this criminal would have tried this on a male cop? 

She was the weaker sex, a female, an easy target for a criminal who didn't care what dellusional fantasy the dyke entertained about herself being able to go toe to toe with a man. 


39 posted on 10/15/2012 7:21:06 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom does not promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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To: JudgemAll
Not at all. It comes down to the ability of a female to handle a situation physically better than a male.

Naturally, a male will almost always be stronger and faster than a female. So, at the start a female will already be out 'manned'.

40 posted on 10/15/2012 8:07:32 AM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Twinkie

exactly

In the Arctic doing mountain and arctic warfare we had this woman assigned to us and it was a massive failure like I said ion th eother post.

When you have to bug out and we did many many times plus moving every night to dig a new snow hole to sleep in as you can;t sleep in one for more tha one short night then you have to be on the ball so to speak and be switched on.

We dont have the time or luxery in the Arctic with temps going down to -70 with the wind speed added in to be waiting for those who cant even get out fo their sleeping bag .

We’re all waiting to go and she is messing about with her time of the month, we’re freezing and she can;t’ carry her back pack or extra ammo and rations and then half the guys want to carry it for her because they want to get into her panties when they get back and boy she did flirt to have tem do this.

It was me who said no , she is here, she does the job just as we do.

Like I said massive failure and I;m hearing off pals who still serve that they are pissed off with the openly serving homosexuals and cross dressing now.


41 posted on 10/15/2012 12:36:29 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Theoria

Faster I am not sure. Some females are pretty fast on foot and climbing hills as 50 lbs of additional bones and flesh do real energetic damage on a male, whereas the female does not have to contend with such high consumption. If not some are quick witted.

However, under intense combat situation, they are prone to use their “out”, which is the “hope” of Obama, to mate with the enemy instead of fighting it. Of course, with Islam and communism, that is utter horsecrap, but many still believe the lies of the feminist narcissist systems out there.


42 posted on 10/17/2012 7:05:12 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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