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Scottish Independence: Referendum Deal Signed
Skynews, UK ^ | Monday 15 October 2012 | Skynews

Posted on 10/15/2012 8:01:01 AM PDT by granada

David Cameron has signed a deal with Scotland's First Minister, giving him the power to hold a referendum on independence.

The Prime Minister and Alex Salmond met at the Scottish Government's headquarters to sign what has been called "The Edinburgh Agreement".

It declares that the UK and Scottish governments will "work together to ensure that a referendum on Scottish independence can take place".

The referendum will "deliver a fair test and a decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland", it adds, making clear that the result will be respected by all sides.

The agreement is the launchpad for a two-year campaign between Mr Salmond's Scottish National Party and the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems, who all oppose independence.

The referendum, in the autumn of 2014, is also likely to make history by being the first poll in the UK in which 16 and 17-year-olds will be able to vote.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; independence; referendum; scotland; uk

1 posted on 10/15/2012 8:01:12 AM PDT by granada
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To: granada

“The referendum, in the autumn of 2014, is also likely to make history by being the first poll in the UK in which 16 and 17-year-olds will be able to vote.”

We can all predict how that will turn out. The world is mad.


2 posted on 10/15/2012 8:08:49 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

I predict this will be good for England.

Scotland is by all accounts a Socialist black hole. The people there just want more and more and more in the way of government benefits. The sooner Her Majesty can cut loose from that burden the better.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 8:10:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: granada

Everyone is all for independence, until they realize how much they are getting in transfer payments from Southern England. Of course, a lot of Scots think they will get all the North Sea oil revenue but studies show that even that won’t pay for their bloated welfare state. And oil prices can go down too.


4 posted on 10/15/2012 8:15:33 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: granada
...is also likely to make history by being the first poll in the UK in which 16 and 17-year-olds will be able to vote.

Any nation/country/state/government that gives the vote to a 16-year-old deserves what it gets.

5 posted on 10/15/2012 8:23:04 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

The sad thing about Scotland is that a group of socialist hacks has captured the romantic nostalgia of the Jacobite cause, William Wallace, Robert the Bruce and Bonnie Prince Charlie, all dressed up with a kilt and bagpipes, on the pre tense that an independent Scotland would be more free and successful being apart from their historical oppressors, the English. What a crock. I love a good Walter Scott story as well as anyone who shares in the Scottish heritage, but the harsh reality is that the old defiant steak of Highland independence died off two hundred years ago or left for Canada and the US. What remains is a multi-generational welfare state with rusted out factories in urban hell holes like Glasgow. If Scotland goes, the Conservative party will have a huge advantage in future England elections.


6 posted on 10/15/2012 8:25:50 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: granada
Will Scotland be really independent (taking over their share of the UK national debt and creating their own currency), or will they be independent like an art history student with daddy paying for college is independent. England better keep a room in the basement ready for them in a few years.
7 posted on 10/15/2012 8:31:20 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: granada

With ancestors from both sides of Tweed, I will be sorry to see the end of the United Kingdom. I have to say I have a hearty dislike of David Cameron, and particularly his push for same sex marriage, which no party called “Conservative” has any business supporting. This latest initiative for the death of Britain does not endear him to me any further.


8 posted on 10/15/2012 8:45:47 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: granada

By my reckoning, anyone remaining in Scotland have accepted the leftist-nanny state - lock, stock, and barrel. Those who do not have already left.

I have met more Scotsmen in places like Singapore, New Zealand or Dubai than I can count.

It appears they have a relatively comfortable life in Scotland, although they don’t seem to make anything - so don’t know though who works and pays for it all, which is beyond my knowledge of the place. Am interested to learn more.


9 posted on 10/15/2012 8:46:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: littleharbour

” What remains is a multi-generational welfare state with rusted out factories in urban hell holes like Glasgow.”

Yep.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 8:46:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: KarlInOhio

“or will they be independent like an art history student with daddy paying for college is independent.”

Great analogy.


11 posted on 10/15/2012 8:48:07 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: granada; littleharbour
An extremely interesting post. Ruefully I can compare the referendum with the situation in Canada. Of course the referendum never came to fruition. (yet) The Quebecers were told that Quebec could still have regular Canadian currency. I daresay the spectre of a Quebec dollar floating against the good old USA greenbacks and our Canadian pictured money, was pretty scary for them.

I worked up in far North Scotland as a radio operator- cold war stuff in the 1950's. I got my pay from the local bank, before my two week vacation.It was a twenty pound note, beautifully done from the Clydesdale and North Bank of Scotland. Down in London, a teller looked at me like I was some sort of strange being. He said he would take off about 15 percent. I took the underground to inner London and went to the Clydesdale branch. Described as a "token branch".

I got the full twenty pounds English sterling for it. Ah, honest Scots! What a carry on (chuckle).

12 posted on 10/15/2012 8:52:16 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

I was there in the 60s. One time I had four one pound notes in my wallet, all different from each other. The British Linen Bank note was the only one that I could have counted on to be good anywhere in the UK.

I was there when the Chancellor of the Exchequer devalued the pound by 14.7%. It was announced on a Saturday, so nobody could run on the banks. My yankee dollars were worth that much more.


13 posted on 10/15/2012 9:12:02 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: KarlInOhio

They may end up joining Newfoundland as the only nations to spend their way out of independence.


14 posted on 10/15/2012 9:25:55 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: granada
Shake Loose the Borders!

Kinmont Willie would be well pleased.

If this is successful, each country will reestablish the March Wardens.

15 posted on 10/15/2012 9:32:13 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: CPO retired
Interesting to get your post #13.

I did some checking and find your British Linen Bank note was of an Edinburgh bank. I had only vaguely heard of it previously. Of interest is the rate of $4.83 cents to the British pound just prior to WW2. I know the London slang for the half crown piece (two shillings and sixpence) was "arfadolla". (One half of a US dollar). Five shillings being roughly a dollar.

The war shattered the pound, as had WW1 shattered the gold sovereign as currency. The British government issued paper money in it's stead. Forcibly took the public's sovereigns. You may know all of this, but it might be a matter of interest to others.

I pray for all our sakes that the US dollar stands firm. Sort of troubling when one reads of deficits and printing monies . I am well versed in the German tragedy of monetary collapse. Hitler eventually followed.

16 posted on 10/15/2012 1:14:22 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Unam Sanctam

Dave didn’t really have a choice, the SNP had a mandate to call a referendum, and refusing to allow one would have been a blatant act of tyranny.

He did however, manage to get Salmonella to drop the ‘Devo-Max’ option, which would probably have gotten the most support and would have screwed the rest of the UK...


17 posted on 10/15/2012 1:52:56 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: TexasRepublic

Actually, the latest poll has 16/17 yr olds heavily AGAINST independence. Tee hee.

The Olympics and the year of British sports triumph after triumph, added to the Royal Wedding and the Queen’s Jubilee, has caused a big upsurge of Britishness in Scotland.

Also people have seen the SNP plans for independence and have seen what a few years of (minority) SNP rule at the Scottish Parliament has meant. And add to this a recession and the parlous financial state of the world at the moment.

And all told, ‘freedom’ dosent seem all that appealing.

Most Scots want a strong Scotland, but within the UK.


18 posted on 10/16/2012 5:45:31 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; Buckeye McFrog

Scotland is not subsidised by England.

That is a myth. And I say that as a Unionist who will vote NO in 2014.


19 posted on 10/16/2012 5:47:58 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Flycatcher

They will.
See my earlier post to Texas.


20 posted on 10/16/2012 5:48:51 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

A Scottish politician said something to the effect that 9 of 10 Scottish are subsidized or something.

“Independence” means ruled from Brussels??


21 posted on 10/16/2012 5:54:39 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: KarlInOhio

The former.

Scotland CAN go it alone. The question is whether we are stronger out or punching above our weight within a strong UK. IMO the latter. A strong Scotland in a strong UK.

If Scotland votes yes in 2014, we WOULD survive. But would we thrive?.


22 posted on 10/16/2012 5:58:40 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: granada

If there is no blood spilled, there will be no separation.

Hundreds of years of history can’t be wrong


23 posted on 10/16/2012 5:59:50 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: GeronL

9 out of 10 technically get more from the public purse than they pay in.

IE they get more spent on them by local councils and govt on things like road sweeping, bin collection, health, education etc, than is taken from them by local and regional and national taxes.

But that dosent mean 9/10 are unemployed or on benefits. Most Scots work, like anyone.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 6:06:20 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
I'm an Englishman and I agree completely. Much is made of this by certain English newspapers, but the figures don't show it.

Personally I'm in favour of Scottish independence, as are the majority of English people.

25 posted on 10/16/2012 11:07:25 AM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: the scotsman
Sorry, firts comment was apropos of England supporting Scotland financially.
26 posted on 10/16/2012 11:13:11 AM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp

I dont think most are, I think the majority of English would like the UK to stay together.


27 posted on 10/16/2012 11:57:13 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Well thats a separate point. If Scotland becomes independent, what kind of government system will they have? Queen Elizabeth is queen of Scotland as well as of England. In fact, she’s queen of Scotland before she’s queen of England, specifically.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 4:23:34 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

The latest polls show that most Scots are not for independence.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 4:30:10 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: littleharbour

Bloody mel gibson stirring it.


30 posted on 10/17/2012 4:31:34 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: muleskinner

Holy crap I hope not. I live on the borders. I dont want to see all that happening again. The times of the reivers were NOT good.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:49 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: GeronL

Exactly. Its utterly bizarre. The SNP is an independence movement that wants to cut its ties with London so it can be tied even closer to the EU. Try and figure that if you can.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 4:36:52 AM PDT by Vanders9
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