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Libertarians could be spoilers in key Senate races
Politico ^

Posted on 10/15/2012 2:30:04 PM PDT by Arthurio

Democratic hopes of maintaining a razor-thin Senate majority may hinge on an unexpected outside force: Libertarians.

In the battlegrounds of Montana, Arizona and Missouri, polls show the Libertarian nominee poised to siphon a fraction of the vote — a small fraction, but potentially enough to tip the outcome in a cliffhanger. And with the battle for the Senate shaping up to be a coin-flip proposition, no factor — not even fringe candidates with little more than a Libertarian label to propel their campaigns — is too insignificant to dismiss.

Given the small-government mantra of Libertarian voters, Democratic officials see the development as a major boon.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82379.html#ixzz29PEPJZAA

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1 posted on 10/15/2012 2:30:07 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Why do they always blame the voters? Is it the fault of people that want small government that the GOP never runs small government candidates? Put the blame where it belongs, the party and its candidates.


2 posted on 10/15/2012 2:33:49 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Arthurio

If Libertarians want to do something profound, then they need to go get converts and not just be smug spoilers.

Europe is proof enough that handing the socialists victories does not end in a public epiphany to go in the opposite direction.

Leftists have been very successful being incremental and libertarians should keep that in mind. They should push to get more and more libertarian candidates, not take their ball and go home.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 2:36:05 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: discostu

I agree with you. And I’m not going to vote for Romney either. So what if Obama is re-elected?

/s


4 posted on 10/15/2012 2:40:43 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Arthurio

Grr!!! This makes me mad as this is exactly how we lost Slade Gorton to Maria-Can’t-Vote-Well. Some never to be remembered again Losertarian siphoned off Slade’s margin of victory (only 20 or 30K) and now we’ve had nearly two terms of Senatorial flatulence as a result. Slade wasn’t perfect, but he was a solid conservative. This was a big-big deal back in 2000 as it resulted in the 50/50 Senate split that hamstrung GWB’s first term, legislatively speaking, and now we’re going to pay again because the Bush tax cuts that would have been permanent with 51 Republican Senators are going to expire at the end of the year.


5 posted on 10/15/2012 2:41:20 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: SampleMan

Libertarians need to stop spoiling in the generals and start working more in the primaries to get libertairan minded Dems and Repubs on the tickets..


6 posted on 10/15/2012 2:41:59 PM PDT by GraceG
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As a libertarian, I recommend they wake up and realize the only answer is to take control of the RNC. No 3rd party candidate can win a national vote ever. That was taken care of decades ago. Check the criteria for getting on enough ballots to get enough electoral votes. It simply cannot happen. As to state elections, stop fooling yourselves. Take back the RNC. It is the only path to victory for your cause.


7 posted on 10/15/2012 2:47:41 PM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: discostu

is Rand Paul libertarian enough for y’all? Who is he backing in these races?


8 posted on 10/15/2012 2:49:57 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t see much difference between the two. Obomneycare will stay, the spending will stay, the EPA will stay.


9 posted on 10/15/2012 2:54:59 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Don’t know or care who he’s backing. I do my own research.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 2:56:25 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Arthurio

I am a libertarian myself and anyone who votes for anyone besides Romney has s**t for brains.

The next president is going to be either Obama or Romney. NO ONE ELSE!!

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama and anyone who says there is no difference is not a serious person and just not even worth debating.

If you are not happy with Romney (as I am not) then WORK THAT MUCH HARDER in the next election cycle to get someone closer to your beliefs nominated.

So go ahead and pout libertarian. Go ahead and vote in a manner that helps get Romney defeated.

You are a loser anyway.


11 posted on 10/15/2012 2:59:03 PM PDT by 429CJ (.)
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To: discostu

I don’t see much difference between the two. Obomneycare will stay, the spending will stay, the EPA will stay.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And Obama thanks you for your support.

Damn! If you don’t see much difference then you are BLIND. Was Romeny LYING when in the first debate he said he will repeal Obamacare? He might be. But still... You need to lose the lberal mindset and vote for Romney.


12 posted on 10/15/2012 3:20:04 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes he was. It’s based on his pride and joy. And frankly even if he wasn’t he wouldn’t be able to pull it off. He’s not getting a super majority, any attempt to over turn will die in Congress.

There’s no liberal mindset about it. Quite the opposite. I have the CONSERVATIVE mindset of never voting for a socialist, period.


13 posted on 10/15/2012 3:23:20 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Arthurio

Oh, great. Libertarians siphoning the vote. I shrug every time I heard the word Libertarians. Because I don’t know what they think they’re doing.


14 posted on 10/15/2012 3:25:40 PM PDT by righttackle44 ( I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine . . .)
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To: discostu

I never enter political debates with children or idiots. People who don’t think BO will be FAR worse for America are one or the other. And unworthy of debate.


15 posted on 10/15/2012 3:33:10 PM PDT by 429CJ (.)
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To: Sparticus
"...Losertarian..."

With such compelling dialogue I find it hard to imagine that they don't embrace your point of view.
16 posted on 10/15/2012 3:35:45 PM PDT by j_k_l
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To: 429CJ

If all you’ve got is name calling you don’t enter debates, just flame wars. You also clearly don’t know history.

In the long run the numbers work out better for conservatives with a truly opposing president than a liberal with an R after his name. It’s all about midterm elections, the party of the sitting president loses seats in midterms, and the second midterm is a bloodbath (the dems hit par in 2006 half the time it’s bigger). So if obie wins the dems take a major bath in 2014, then an actual conservative R can take the White House in 2016 with workable majorities. If Romney wins he continues most of obie’s policies AND the dems gain seats in 2014, then if he wins reelection in 2016 the dems get major gains in 2018, and because sitting VPs often win the nomination but almost never win the presidency a dem gets the White House in 2020 with a workable majority.

You’ve got to understand the difference between the battle and the war. Some battles aren’t that bad to lose. I’d prefer a good republican in the White House, but none ran. So this is what we’ve got, 2 guys with very similar mindsets, 2 guys that will continue the run away spending, 2 guys where the only noticeable difference is the letter after their name, 2 guys that quite simply don’t deserve my vote.


17 posted on 10/15/2012 3:40:53 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Thanks for helping the obunghole to SCREW ALL OF US.
If you can’t see the difference between these two people, I would recommend you get your eye glass prescription checked.
And any other meds you are on.
Just remember to tell me how happy you are when Obunghole doesn’t even have the courtesy to bring the K-Y when he screws you to.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 3:47:43 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Arthurio
Democratic officials see the development as a major boon.

That says it all.

19 posted on 10/15/2012 3:51:28 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Arthurio
polls show the Libertarian nominee poised to siphon a fraction of the vote — a small fraction, but potentially enough to tip the outcome in a cliffhanger.

L. Neil Smith's 2% solution. He's the first one I can recall proposing it as a strategy. Give me some time and I'll find the article.

Don't like it? Don't let RINOs run.

20 posted on 10/15/2012 3:53:11 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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