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Military ballots still AWOL as states fail to mail
Times 24-7 ^ | 10/15/2012

Posted on 10/15/2012 6:10:36 PM PDT by markomalley

Jurisdictions in Vermont, Michigan, Mississippi and Wisconsin have failed to mail absentee ballots to military members by the Sept. 22, 2012, deadline established by the [Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment] Act.

Rep. Buck McKeon, Republican from California, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee; Rep. Daniel E. Lungren, Republican from California, chairman of the House Administration Committee; and Rep. Lamar Smith, Republican from Texas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to the Defense and Justice departments reading: ...

(Excerpt) Read more at times247.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: military; militaryballots; militaryvote; mississippi; robthevote
Read the original article at the Army Times (Gannett -- cannot be posted to FR)
1 posted on 10/15/2012 6:10:40 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I am sure that a severe reprimand is in order; that will work as well as the sanctions did in Iraq and now Syria; NOT


2 posted on 10/15/2012 6:14:26 PM PDT by BillT (If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
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To: markomalley

Open vote fraud, and nobody cares.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 6:16:03 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: markomalley

Here in Michigan the SOS has ordered them to extend the deadline for counting of military ballots.


4 posted on 10/15/2012 6:18:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: markomalley

It’s time for a few class action lawsuits. That will bring this DemocRAT horsesh*t to a screeching halt. They can start by suing the ass off of Eric the Holder and his so called DOJ. It’s time for the ‘RATS to stop disenfranchising our military.


5 posted on 10/15/2012 6:21:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (This is America! Being dead is no excuse not to vote!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Am sure Soros’ SOS’s will do the same.


6 posted on 10/15/2012 6:22:18 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: cripplecreek

One trick pony move by the dumb’s. Served from 1970-1990 and didn’t receive ballot in 76,80, 82...filed election complaints each time. I might as well been talking to a wall. I usually received my ballot in December...


7 posted on 10/15/2012 6:24:17 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Mitt better grow a pair or this thing will be over soon.)
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To: markomalley; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ..

Active Duty Ping.


8 posted on 10/15/2012 6:28:22 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: wastedyears

Open vote fraud, and nobody cares.

Many care, unfortunately, the DOJ doesn’t care. This is criminal and should be prosecuted to the Nth degree. Algore started this crap in 2000 and it still hasn’t been addressed. It’s now part of the quadrennial dim strategy to not allow military votes


9 posted on 10/15/2012 6:29:37 PM PDT by Figment
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To: wastedyears
Open vote fraud, and nobody cares.

Not necessarily. I know some of the towns here in Michigan that are in this are rock solid conservative areas. Court challenges to things on the ballots cause delays in getting them out. Trouble tracking down soldiers has always been an issue. New people in office who don't know what they're doing.
10 posted on 10/15/2012 6:31:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: markomalley
Vermont, Michigan, Mississippi and Wisconsin have failed to mail absentee ballots to military members by the Sept. 22, 2012

Congress could get the names, overnight the ballots, and take the money out of the respective states' highway funds.

11 posted on 10/15/2012 6:31:26 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: WKB; Black Agnes; markomalley

Who’s at fault here in “Red State” Mississippi?

And yes, I did link to the article.


12 posted on 10/15/2012 6:36:56 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: wastedyears

If the election is really close, could there be an extension to get the military ballots in?


13 posted on 10/15/2012 6:40:33 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: onyx

We had one here in my township that his ballot application was sent out and returned 3 different times before he walked into the township office and asked for it in person. He was in Afghanistan and on the move and nobody could catch up with him and then transferred back here for some stateside duty at Fort Hood. He had a week’s leave and came home to visit his family before reporting.


14 posted on 10/15/2012 6:48:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

God bless him. This is beyond unconscionable. I’m livid about their horrid treatment.


15 posted on 10/15/2012 6:52:44 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: markomalley

NOTICE that only Republicans signed the letter.


16 posted on 10/15/2012 6:54:44 PM PDT by cookcounty ("When I speak, I say what I mean and I mean what I say!" ---Joe Biden, 10/11/2012)
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To: JohnD9207
One trick pony move by the dumb’s. Served from 1970-1990 and didn’t receive ballot in 76,80, 82...filed election complaints each time. I might as well been talking to a wall. I usually received my ballot in December...

You're lucky, I never received a single one. I asked about any others getting a ballot and I got that "one eyebrow raise" meaning shut up or your efficiency report will be hosed.

17 posted on 10/15/2012 6:55:22 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: onyx

We’ve just got to do something different with military ballots. I get the impression that they’ve always been a problem.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 6:58:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree, because our military primarily vote Republican, so the demonic-rats are not interesting in helping to rectify the problems.


19 posted on 10/15/2012 7:05:52 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: cripplecreek

NOT interested
(I should not try to post while talking on telephone).


20 posted on 10/15/2012 7:06:58 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

Its all right, the democrats aren’t all that interesting.


21 posted on 10/15/2012 7:08:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: markomalley

we should be able to kick all election officials out for gross and deliberate failure in office for this, with permanent loss of retirement and pensions.


22 posted on 10/15/2012 7:28:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: tbw2
If the election is really close, could there be an extension to get the military ballots in?

Do you think Democrats would allow that?

23 posted on 10/15/2012 7:56:29 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: markomalley; duffee; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; ..

Ping


24 posted on 10/15/2012 9:31:57 PM PDT by WKB (After 4 years of Obama I am ready for a little R and R!!)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL. You’re right about that and thanks very much!


25 posted on 10/15/2012 9:40:17 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: WKB

I’d truly love to know who to call! This is outrageous.


26 posted on 10/15/2012 9:41:21 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: markomalley

The Best these aholes can Do is write a Letter,This Country DESERVES Obama. The Military should Just Say F you and Come Home and March On Washington


27 posted on 10/16/2012 3:50:00 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: cripplecreek
18 posted on Mon Oct 15 2012 20:58:39 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by cripplecreek: “We’ve just got to do something different with military ballots. I get the impression that they’ve always been a problem.”

You are right... this has been a problem for a very long time.

Prior to the development of (relatively) modern mail technology, getting ballots to military personnel and getting them returned in time was all but impossible. I remember reading some World War I stories with women (who in some states could not yet vote) telling presidential candidates that if they could vote, they would vote for so-and-so candidate, the way their husband would have wanted, since it was just assumed that overseas military personnel would have no way to vote.

With modern email and fax technology, in all but a very small number of extreme situations (think special forces or behind-the-lines stuff), there is no technological reason that a ballot cannot be sent to a deployed servicemember, voted, and returned at some point during the period — typically about a month and a half — between the time the ballots are printed and election day.

The problem now is not how to get the ballot from the voting official to the deployed servicemember, but rather how to deal with state laws which were put in place to prevent election fraud but don't allow for modern technology.

Most of us understand that the controls in place on our military personnel are strict enough that commanding officers and NCOs are not going to be ordering their troops to vote for a certain candidate and sending through five hundred ballots for a single preferred candidate. Ain't gonna happen... no way, no how.

But once we open up those loopholes so modern technology can be used to the fullest possible extent, we can legitimately ask questions about how the “law of unintended consequences” will lead to abuses of the loophole.

28 posted on 10/16/2012 4:21:34 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: cripplecreek
We’ve just got to do something different with military ballots. I get the impression that they’ve always been a problem.

True.

It's too bad we don't have the technology yet to communicate world-wide quickly, or transfer documents via some kind of 'wire' service.

I guess if we had enough preparation 'time' (4 years isn't enough?) we could put some kind of Mobile Voting Machines on ships, and if the wind was right, the ships could deliver them to Military Bases.

Maybe when we get those new-fangled Steam Powered ships commercially available, we can even pick up the ballots and have them back a week or two after the election is over.

29 posted on 10/16/2012 11:07:38 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: darrellmaurina; cripplecreek

I heard that the biggest problem is that the soldiers don’t have the ‘required’ PHOTO ID.


30 posted on 10/16/2012 11:10:48 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: UCANSEE2; cripplecreek
The problems exist on a state-by-state basis. Some states are more problematic than others — and we need to remember that the state rules were often pushed by **REPUBLICANS** to prevent ballot fraud.

As conservatives, we believe in federalism. There are limits to how much we want the national government controlling state or local election authorities.

The secure technology problems are not minor, but they are solvable today in ways that were not possible even a few years ago.

The key complication is not the security of the ballots for military personnel, but rather with what happens next.

Once every state is on board with allowing voting via email and fax in both federal and state races by military personnel, we're going to have the same requests for Department of Defense and State Department civilians, and then for federal contractors. (Some of that is already happening.)

Then we're going to deal with civilians living overseas who aren't federal employees. What are we realistically going to say to an Army wife living in Germany, England, Italy or South Korea who has to vote via a mailed-in absentee ballot when her husband can vote via email? What about spouses of diplomatic personnel?

Then we'll have to deal with regular American citizens living abroad — and that will prompt the possibility for serious election fraud.

The security problems are solvable today with military personnel — officers and NCOs simply are not going to be ordering their troops to vote for a certain candidate. The same is probably true for DOD and State Department civilians.

I'm not so sure about contractors.

I'm much less sure about spouses and regular civilians.

What is the alternative? Telling Americans living abroad who are not military personnel, federal employees, federal contractors, or dependents of one of those categories that if they want to vote an electronic absentee ballot they have to go to a local embassy, consulate, or military base, or have special arrangements made to allow absentee ballots to be collected and sent by an authorized federal contractor who meets strict federal regulatory standards?

That might actually work, but if it doesn't, it will be **WE AS CONSERVATIVES** screaming bloody murder about foreign influence on our elections via election fraud.

This is a problem that needs to be solved on the state level, not the federal level, if at all possible. With improved technology it probably will get solved sooner rather than later.

31 posted on 10/16/2012 12:24:58 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: WKB; onyx

I’m surprised that you didn’t know to call your Secretary of State, who is in charge of the elections in Mississippi.

Call...ASAP!


32 posted on 10/16/2012 11:53:12 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (I can see November from my house! dc2k circa 2010)
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