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Cardinal causes uproar with "Muslim scare" video at Vatican
Reuters ^ | 10/15/2012 | Naomi O'Leary

Posted on 10/15/2012 6:51:14 PM PDT by iowamark

(Reuters) - A Roman Catholic cardinal has caused an uproar at the Vatican by screening a spurious YouTube video that makes alarmist predictions about the growth of Islam in Europe.

The seven-minute clip, called "Muslim Demographics," was the talk of an international gathering of bishops on Monday, two days after Cardinal Peter Turkson screened it during a free discussion period.

Turkson, a Ghanaian who is based in the Vatican and is president of its Council for Justice and Peace, sparked consternation among his fellow bishops over the clip.

"As we were arriving this morning I was asked several times 'Who planned it? Whose was it? Who is behind it?" Father Thomas Rosica said at a briefing for journalists, who are not allowed to attend the synod sessions, the first since the screening.

He said the clip had sparked "the most animated" discussion so far at the three-week conference, and one bishop said he would rebut Turkson by presenting a report with contrary data.

The clip has brought Islam to the top of the agenda at the synod, attended by 262 bishops. "Islam is the buzzword," Rosica said.

Turkson could not be reached for comment on why he chose to screen the video during the Vatican meeting, where the bishops are discussing ways of winning back lapsed Roman Catholics in developed countries...

The Holy See's relations with Islam have not always been smooth. In 2006 Pope Benedict gave a speech in Regensburg which was perceived by some Muslims as an attack on Islam.

Asked about his reaction to the cardinal showing the video at the Vatican, Yahya Pallavicini, vice president of the Islamic Religious Community of Italy, warned against a numbers war based on scare tactics by any side...

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; islam; vatican; vaticanmuslim
I assume that the Cardianl will soon be jailed for daring to criticise Islam.

I am guessing that this is the 'spurious' video referred to by Reuters:

Youtube: Muslim Demographics (7 minutes)


Cardinal Peter Turkson

1 posted on 10/15/2012 6:51:23 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Wake up call. Welcome from your slumber.


2 posted on 10/15/2012 6:54:13 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (christian.bahits.com)
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To: iowamark

It’s ridiculous that a freakin’ Ghanaian is required to wake these people up. He is saying ‘YOU ARE BEING INVADED’. Let’s hope the sleepy Europeans get the message.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 6:57:41 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: FreeAtlanta

And the truth will set you free!


4 posted on 10/15/2012 6:57:56 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (ZERO DARK THIRTY (coming soon to an embassy near you))
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To: iowamark

What is spurious about it?


5 posted on 10/15/2012 6:57:56 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

“Spurious” is a leftist bullcrap word used to defend Islam from reality.

Get back to me when an Islamic convocation shows the slightest tolerance of Christianity.

Their whole gig is worldwide domination and brainwashing.


6 posted on 10/15/2012 7:03:26 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: rmlew

PC censorship and self righteous liberal groupthink will bring on the demise of the west.


8 posted on 10/15/2012 7:05:03 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: iowamark

Those black fellows have a bad habit of speaking the unvarnished truth./s


9 posted on 10/15/2012 7:08:52 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: iowamark

Supposedly the next pope is the last pope and his name is Peter.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 7:09:52 PM PDT by Mercat (He was playing Words with Friends.)
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To: Viennacon

Looking at population growth and what is needed to sustain a country so far as births, I think it needs to be around 2.5 children per couple. Americans are at 2.1 but Hispanic births push the overall population growth in America to something like 2.7- it has been a while since I read the statistics so I might be a smidge off.

But.

muslims coming to the United States are breeding at around 8.1. Not sure if that is per wife or per man. But that is one of their goals, to breed infidels out of existence.


11 posted on 10/15/2012 7:09:58 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: iowamark
definitely papabile; he's a latter-day Urban II.
12 posted on 10/15/2012 7:21:13 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Muslims are commanded to breed like cockroaches once inside the host country. It’s all part of the global Jihad.


13 posted on 10/15/2012 7:22:15 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: iowamark

Maybe the Catholic Church should take a more active roll in the hispanic and black communities to improve their education so that they are not as susceptible to Muslim indoctrination. Christians worldwide need to step up to the plate in the education of our youth. The Catholic Church has been so easily led into the trap of “social justice” that they have lost tract of the church’s purpose. Not only do Christians need to go to church but they need to bring their families to church.


14 posted on 10/15/2012 7:51:29 PM PDT by mia
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To: The_Media_never_lie
PC censorship and self righteous liberal groupthink will bring on the demise of the west.
Cultural Marxism is Civilizational AIDS. It subverts education, the media, high culture, and women- the propegators and defenders of civilization- leaving not a utopia, but a dying self-hating wreck to be infected, colonized, invaded and replaced. The intention Gramsci and the Frankfurt School was to subvert the West and replace it with communism. They did not plan for Islam*.

* Strictly speaking, the second generation Frankfurt School intellegtual Franz "Ibrahim" Fanon would be a bridge. Fanon, famous for "Teh Wretched of the Earth" was a Third Worldist, who saw Islam or a form of it as liberation, and became a Muslim.

15 posted on 10/15/2012 8:06:48 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: iowamark

Nothing to see here, RCC. Just put your heads back in the sand.


16 posted on 10/15/2012 8:18:33 PM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: gop4lyf; mia

“A Roman Catholic cardinal has caused an uproar at the Vatican”

Methinks Reuters is causing an uproar.

The Vatican allowed a “Roman Catholic Bishop” to screen the movie. reuters uses words in such a way as to allow you to criticize the Church, as you are wont to do.

Then others on the thread say the Church needs to evangelize among certain communities.

Take a breath and read it.

reuters is NOT GOING OT BE FAIR TO THE VATICAN.

It will spin.

You all jump right in.

But think.

The Vatican wanted to see this.

Do people ascribe Hil., Bill, Bracky & Mooch’s love of power & perks to the hierarchy of the Church.

Stop.

Read George Weigel’s bio on JPII. He lived in absolute humility. Gave away EVERY gift anyone ever gave him & lived in a smallroom with a bed and a nightstand.

These people can take the truth. In fact it’s why they are gentle with it. No one in the world knows suffering and persecution like they do.

There’s your education and evangelization.

Watch how it gets flamed and put down then consider the challenge.

Feel free to join in anytime. THe only ones who’ll try to stop you will be the enemy.


17 posted on 10/15/2012 8:32:22 PM PDT by stanne
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To: iowamark

Watch the video!

Now -- ask yourself...

Why are ØHussein and his leftist supporters PUSHING ABORTION???


18 posted on 10/15/2012 8:37:45 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: iowamark

The “predictions” are accurate and 20 years late!

Europe has been contracepting and aborting itself out of existence for 40 years.


19 posted on 10/15/2012 8:51:02 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: iowamark
(Reuters) - "A Roman Catholic cardinal has caused an uproar at the Vatican by screening a spurious YouTube video that makes alarmist predictions about the growth of Islam in Europe."

Alarmist???

Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.”

“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any "social values" whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence.

There are such "social values" today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do - that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.”

20 posted on 10/15/2012 8:51:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TXnMA

Well, to gain votes from idiot women who are under the impression that they are thinking.

But, duh. Now that you mention it.

And read anything truthful about Margaret Sanger, their late leader. you can find such in the annals of any scholarly, authentic Roman Catholic collection


21 posted on 10/15/2012 8:52:36 PM PDT by stanne
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To: iowamark
(Reuters) - "A Roman Catholic cardinal has caused an uproar at the Vatican by screening a spurious YouTube video that makes alarmist predictions about the growth of Islam in Europe."

Alarmist???

John Quincy Adams wrote:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle.

Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind.

THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)…

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men."

22 posted on 10/15/2012 8:56:52 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Viennacon

>Let’s hope the sleepy Europeans get the message.<

.
Is not going to happen.

Europe and the US seem to be in the same coma.


23 posted on 10/15/2012 9:18:51 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: Windflier

That is an weighty and sound appraisal, but being a bit of a collector of such it is my practice to try to documented it and its authorship by older sources, and the only one i have found it in was in “The American Annual Register for the Years 1827-8-9,” (1830) by an unknown author, and edited by Joseph Blunt: http://books.google.com/books?id=7GoTAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA269&lpg=PA269&dq=In+the+seventh+century+of+the+Christian+era,+a+wandering+Arab+of+the+lineage+of+Hagar+the+Egyptian,+combine&source=bl&ots=P78-Q2daAX&sig=uI6pRqMdD2w5JEN4cQ6P9MO17ks&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BN18UJa8BceY0QGggYGICg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=In%20the%20seventh%20century%20of%20the%20Christian%20era%2C%20a%20wandering%20Arab%20of%20the%20lineage%20of%20Hagar%20the%20Egyptian%2C%20combine&f=false

Then i found it in Wiki quotes, which lists it as Misattributed, saying

Passage on Muhammad by an unknown author in The American Annual Register for the Years 1827-8-9 (1830), Ch. X, p. 269; wrongly attributed to Adams in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) (2005) by Robert Spencer, p. 83 (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Quincy_Adams)

But it is a good quote anyway. Thanks


24 posted on 10/15/2012 9:23:09 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Windflier
And that is indeed by TK, the source being Fear God and Take Your Own part - Page 70

It is also of note that the rather extensive article Wikipedia has on TK has zero on his religion, even though some see him as the most religiously observant President of all. This has more, and with others here: HISTORICAL QUOTES IN CONTRAST (PDF)

25 posted on 10/15/2012 9:40:07 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Americans are at 2.1 but Hispanic births push the overall population growth in America to something like 2.7

Hispanics are family oriented and Christian.

I am thinking maybe we should thank God for them.

26 posted on 10/15/2012 11:24:37 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Mercat

The pieces begin to come together. Possibly.


27 posted on 10/16/2012 12:04:37 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: iowamark

At the very end of the video, after all the demographic panic, it says “Spread the Gospel.” And that is, of course, the answer—not trying to outbreed another group.


28 posted on 10/16/2012 12:09:44 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: iowamark

They need to be worried. Many prophecies by catholic saints tell of a massive war in which the Muslims and Communists will lay waste to western Europe.

No catholic is required to believe these prophecies but they sure are accurate in describing the state of the world today. I personally think that WW3, is on our doorstep.

Many predicted that 3/4 of humanity would be killed.


29 posted on 10/16/2012 7:15:43 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: firebrand

AMEN to that and SECOND IT!

The best way to take the west back is to “spread the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ” and get it (the west, USA, Europe, etc., back to its) Judeo/Christian heritage.


30 posted on 10/18/2012 4:33:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: iowamark

The begining of a bringing back of the Gospel to the west via missionaries from the “global south” who are Christain.


31 posted on 10/18/2012 4:36:36 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: iowamark

Doing what Jesus COMMANDS of him, preach the GOSPEL.


32 posted on 10/18/2012 4:38:05 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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