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Elderly man died after 'doctors proclaimed him DNR without consulting family' (death panel notice)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 10/16/12 | Hannah Furness and Jennifer O'Mahony

Posted on 10/16/2012 3:14:39 AM PDT by markomalley

A former Merchant Navy seaman died after doctors refused to resuscitate him because medics made him the subject of a Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) order without consulting him or his family.

John Flockhart, 79, suffered a cardiac arrest and died in hospital despite his daughter begging medics to revive him, an inquest has heard.

Doctors had previously ruled any attempt to revive him would be “futile”, despite the family claiming they had never been informed or consulted.

Sharon Flockhart "begged" a nurse to try to resuscitate her father. She said: "It felt that I was pleading for my father's life," but the nurse on the phone that night said she could not due to the DNR notice on his name. Miss Flockhart and her siblings were also unaware their father even had pneumonia.

An expert witness told an inquest Mr Flockhart’s illness was probably “survivable”, stating the care he received could have been better.

Coroner Caroline Beasley-Murray has now highlighted a series of errors in Mr Flockhart’s treatment at Basildon Hospital, Essex, finding staff did not communicate with one another.

The observation chart detailing Mr Flockhart's most recent medical updates went missing, meaning doctors and nurses were unaware of changes to his condition, the inquest heard.

Dr Riz Mohamed issued the DNR at 10.35am on the afternoon before Mr Flockhart's death, according to Miss Flockhart, and her siblings visited at 12pm but were not informed the order had been put in place. The family were later told Dr Mohamed had "intended" to inform them.

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TOPICS: Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2012; britain; england; nhs; obamacare; socialisthealthcare
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1 posted on 10/16/2012 3:14:44 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

And..... the government medical review panel (aka “death panel”) deemed that his life expectancy was not worth the investment in his care. sarc

Look at all the medical care and pension cost savings!


2 posted on 10/16/2012 3:19:29 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: markomalley

Dr. Mohamed who “intended” to inform the family should be subject to a DNR order.


3 posted on 10/16/2012 3:23:50 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: markomalley
Those liberal Democrat friends and acquaintances, neighbors, possibly even some relatives whom so many conservatives try to convince the error of their ways - but believe 'are nice people otherwise', will eventually be those same people on the 'death panels' that dole out life (or death) based on their idea of value vs cost to the collective. This isn't a philosophical discussion; it is a war between enemies.
4 posted on 10/16/2012 3:31:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: markomalley
The nursing home where I worked had a DNR order for pretty much every resident. They would just include it in the stack of admissions forms that needed to be signed, most people signed without noticing what it was.

I'm fairly certain this was a liability reduction strategy, as they definitely didn't want people to die. Empty beds don't produce revenue.

5 posted on 10/16/2012 3:37:48 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: markomalley

Dr. Mohamed...ooooo-kay. One infidel down...


6 posted on 10/16/2012 3:38:32 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: markomalley

Leftists understand and react to only three things:

* Threats of violence.

* Violence.

* Death.

Reagan understood that. Until these measures are liberally applied, leftists will continue their mass murder of humanity.


7 posted on 10/16/2012 3:56:43 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: markomalley

The entity paying the bill will always look after its own best interests.

Since the state is paying the bill, they will look to minimize costs in a case like this, because they will never get payback on a single dollar spent to extend the life of a 79-year-old merchant marine. This man is done paying taxes, and is a net burden on the state.

Frankly, if the state could get away with killing folks like this outright, it would. But for now it will have to content itself with withholding life-saving care (and food and hydration over the week-end).


8 posted on 10/16/2012 4:25:59 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: markomalley

OK Libs! Let’s all hear about “Crazy Sara” again!


9 posted on 10/16/2012 4:30:37 AM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: Gaffer

Why should the family have any say in the care provided to the patient? For that matter, why should the patient? They are not paying the bill!

The man who pays the piper calls the tune. Simple as that.

If you don’t pay for your own care, you don’t get any say in what care you get.


10 posted on 10/16/2012 4:31:47 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: markomalley

This happened to our mother right here in the United States 15 years ago. It is already here, you just haven’t heard about it from friends.


11 posted on 10/16/2012 4:33:51 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: markomalley

> Dr Riz Mohamed issued the DNR at 10.35am
This muzzie SOB should be the subject of a KIll On Sight order.


12 posted on 10/16/2012 4:36:42 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama loved the poor so much, he created millions more.)
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To: BuffaloJack

too quick.

Should be force fed bacon grease until he shits himself into dehydration,

cramping and other resulting discomforts.


13 posted on 10/16/2012 4:52:08 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: who knows what evil?

yep


14 posted on 10/16/2012 5:12:51 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: markomalley

If they keep it up, a spouse will have revenge on those who do such things.It will become epidemic.

Effing liberal fascist ba$tids!


15 posted on 10/16/2012 5:16:06 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Haiku Guy

Not so much. As disappointing as it is to amoral libertarians where all that matter is materialism, the American government can not murder people.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 7:05:55 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Haiku Guy

So, as long as the prospective ‘mother’ chokes up the cash, I suppose you don’t have any problem with abortion either, huh?

As for the rest of what you wrote, I don’t think I want to discuss anything with you. You’d make a great candidate for the coming death panels.


17 posted on 10/16/2012 9:12:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
As for the rest of what you wrote, I don’t think I want to discuss anything with you. You’d make a great candidate for the coming death panels.

Hey, I'm not sayin' it's a good thing. I'm just sayin' that's the way it is.

If the government is paying the bill, the government is going to arrange things for its own benefit.

You see, the problem is not that the government is a self-interested party, because that will always be so. Human nature, and all that. The problem is that free people have decided to take the King's coin, and now they will have to live by the King's rule.

Far better for each person to take care of his own needs, and that way each person can make his own choices and there will be no need for Death Panels.

18 posted on 10/16/2012 9:22:59 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: Haiku Guy
Far better for each person to take care of his own needs, and that way each person can make his own choices and there will be no need for Death Panels.

I'll break my earlier inclination and respond this once.

Laissez-faire Libertarianism. The problem is that real life is not as cut-and-dried. Obamacare was not passed in normal deliberative fashion; it was NEVER read beforehand except by the colluding schemers that wrote it.

We have not yet begun to realize the destructive implications left in its implementation via spurious regulations by a bunch of lackey Democrat bureaucrats. It contains penalties for out of network (i.e., private healthcare), and ultimately (with the single payer goal - Government) relegates healthcare for individuals with absolutely no options outside its realm. Their system wouldn't last a decade otherwise.

19 posted on 10/16/2012 9:30:43 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I suspect that Obamacare is designed to destroy the private market for insurance and then fail. The FedGuv will then move in and impose Single Payer to fill the void, which was the plan all along.


20 posted on 10/16/2012 9:34:08 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I have no quarrel on that point, but only to add that goal also includes no other option for the person who wants to prepare for himself, to ensure his own way. And, that is where I have a problem with a King’s Coin, King’s Rule attitude.


21 posted on 10/16/2012 9:39:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: markomalley

Do you know what the success rate of in-hospital CPR is, for non-myocardial infarction patients?

Wanna take a guess?

I ran a code team for a year in a general hospital. Obviously, CPR is a major advance in managing the initial 48 hours of a heart attack.

Other than that, there are two major categories of in- hospital arrest- first, people whose heart stops because of inability to control or reverse underlying diseases (cancer, liver failure, GI bleeding); second, elderly people who are found dead in bed on nurses end-of-shift rounds (almost always between 4 and 5:30 am).

The success rate of CPR in these two large groups is zero, except that occasional patients will remain alive with major instrumentation for around 24 hours.

This is what “futility” is about. It’s not really a RTL issue, it’s an issue of common decency.

And 30 years of asking permission for DNR has created an awful situation for families. Obviously, being asked “do you want CPR for so-and-so” implies that CPR might actually keep so-and-so alive (everybody wants THAT), when in fact nothing could be further than the truth.


22 posted on 10/16/2012 9:53:38 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Gaffer

Given the option, I would choose to buy medical insurance from an insurance company that meets my needs. But that insurance would not look like what is being offered by Obamacare. I would only insure against very large expenses that I could not cover out of savings. Everything else would be out of pocket.


23 posted on 10/16/2012 11:09:54 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I specifically remember back in the days of Hillary Care wherein a patient trying to get out-of-network care paid for by himself was imprisonable for the doctor and patient.

This wasn’t implemented, thankfully, but with a couple thousand pages of yet-to-be implemented liberal healthcare dogma by insurgent Democrat loyal bureacrat ideologues, I don’t put it past them ONE Fricking bit!

IOW, you wouldn’t be allowed to spend your own money, get your OWN doctor. To the government it would be blackmarketeering and punisable by imprisonment, period.

Those two thousand plus pages of ObamaCare legislation didn’t appear overnight. They didn’t come flying out Nancy Pelosi’s butt. They were written by rabid ideologes, very likely the same ideologues that SECRETLY prepared HillaryCare back in 93-4....

It is two thousand pages of guidance that can be interpreted by whoever is in charge, and in actual control of the insurgents we have in government now. Belief that they have our highest and best interests at heart is naive.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 11:18:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I have a niece who is a “Sandra Fluke” voter. The only thing she cares about is contraception and abortion on demand.

I try to explain to her why Obamacare is a bad idea. Finally I asked her if she would be comfortable having President Mike Huckabee’s Secretary of Health and Human Services wield the kind of power that Kathleen Sebelius currently holds.

That got her thinking...


25 posted on 10/16/2012 11:58:39 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: Haiku Guy
The only thing she cares about is contraception and abortion on demand

Then ask why she thinks other people should pay for it?

26 posted on 10/16/2012 12:01:25 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
Then ask why she thinks other people should pay for it?

I would not say she is the kind of person who thinks things through...

But she thinks other people should pay for everything, so in this she is consistent.

27 posted on 10/16/2012 12:28:24 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: Haiku Guy

lol


28 posted on 10/16/2012 1:31:23 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: markomalley; Black Agnes
Both of my maternal grandparents were murdered.. er involuntarily euthanized, by the Swedes. Actually, thats not true. My grandfather was killed with morphine the minute he was left alone, and my grandmother was dehydrated and then given morphine when her organs started to fail.
29 posted on 10/16/2012 4:16:30 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Jim Noble

Thank you for those sober and well-informed observations. The implication of many of the posts on this and similar threads, that DNR notices and their consequences are uniquely a product of state-run health systems, is unfortunate nonsense.


30 posted on 10/17/2012 2:01:59 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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