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Historian must answer questions about lacrosse case (DukeLax)
The (Durham) Herald Sun ^ | October 15, 2012 | Ray Gronberg

Posted on 10/16/2012 4:01:49 AM PDT by abb

DURHAM – A historian who’s written about the Duke lacrosse case must answer questions from Duke University lawyers defending the school from lawsuits filed by two groups of former lacrosse players, a federal court in Maine says.

U.S. Magistrate Judge John Rich III said Brooklyn College professor K.C. Johnson has to give Duke’s legal team a deposition and turn over documents about his dealings with the players.

Johnson invoked a form of journalist’s confidentiality privilege as he fought Duke’s subpoena. Rich acknowledged that such claims can be valid, depending on how the interests in each case balance out.

In this case, Duke wants to know what players told Johnson, the co-author of a book, “Until Proven Innocent,” that was sympathetic to their point of view.

“People who bring suit must expect that their prior statements that are relevant to their claims cannot be hidden from those whom they are suing,” Rich said, holding that what the players told Johnson is fair game for Duke’s inquiry.

He added that Duke had already agreed to focus its questions on the events that happened between March 13, 2006, and March 28, 2006.

That covers the early stages of the police investigation that began in 2006 after stripper Crystal Mangum falsely accused members of Duke’s 2005-06 men’s lacrosse team of raping her at a team party.

It also covers a string of discussions or meetings between team leaders and a trio of key Duke administrators: school President Richard Brodhead, Executive Vice President Tallman Trask and Dean of Students Sue Wasiolek.

The players – separate groups of 38 and three, represented by different teams of lawyers – are suing Duke for fraud.

Their lawsuits say campus leaders relayed to police information the players told them in confidence. They also allege that Duke tried to cover up the fact that, without waiting for a subpoena, it had given detectives data about the players’ whereabouts on the night of the party.

Rich’s ruling was the second on an evidence-gathering dispute to go Duke’s way in as many weeks.

Another federal magistrate judge, in Washington, D.C., previously halted Durham lawyer Bob Ekstrand’s attempt to subpoena information from lawyers representing the group of 38 former players.

Ekstrand is representing the other three players who are suing Duke. The lawsuits are proceeding on separate tracks with separate evidence gathering. Lawyers for the 38 made a deal with Duke in January to keep what they learn confidential, save for what they have to include in future court filings.

Duke’s lawyers want to question Johnson because he was in close communication with the players and Ekstrand from early on. His book included detail about what allegedly was said between the players and Brodhead, Trask and Wasiolek.

Rich noted that Duke’s original subpoena of Johnson hadn’t asked for any information the historian might have received from the players’ parents. Though subsequent filings from the school have voiced curiosity about those exchanges, Rich said point-blank that they’re not covered by his order.

He also cautioned Duke’s lawyers to focus their inquiry on the fraud claims.

The dispute over Johnson’s subpoena played out in a Maine courtroom because he lives in that state.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; lacrosse; nifong; nifongism; savethemales; witchhunt
Pertaining to the civil cases.
1 posted on 10/16/2012 4:01:52 AM PDT by abb
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To: abner; Alia; beyondashadow; Bitter Bierce; bjc; Bogeygolfer; BossLady; Brytani; bwteim; Carling; ..

ping


2 posted on 10/16/2012 4:02:53 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

The mothers of the Duke players should sue EVERY faculty member who signed that infamous document.


3 posted on 10/16/2012 4:04:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

The federal judge overseeing the several lawsuits now underway is hopelessly compromised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Beaty,_Jr.


4 posted on 10/16/2012 4:08:22 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

wikipedia yanked it


5 posted on 10/16/2012 4:09:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: LS

The faculty has still not apologised for their actions,and nothing was done to force such an apology. They attempted a lynching of innocents, and should face some sort of reckoning.

Supposedly educated people who fell victim to the stupidity of white guilt, and liberalism. They all should have been removed from the University. It is my wish that this suit bankrupt the college as it isn’t fit to remain an institution of higher learning.


6 posted on 10/16/2012 4:13:11 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: HiTech RedNeck

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/James_Beaty


7 posted on 10/16/2012 4:14:16 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb
I'm a backer of the players, and think the Duke administration is scum but

Their lawsuits say campus leaders relayed to police information the players told them in confidence.

Under what legal concept would the admin have any duty not to inform police of information given to them by players. I thought that was spousal, medical and legal only?

8 posted on 10/16/2012 4:23:47 AM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: sharkhawk

the “campus leaders” were attorneys.


9 posted on 10/16/2012 4:26:08 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Were they the players attorneys? I’m sure the lawyers were scum, but when I get called into the banks legal department, I wouldn’t expect any lawyer/client protection for my statements. I realize the players probably didn’t realize the situation, but they were not clients of these attorneys, and I would guess they had no duty to keep the conversations quiet.


10 posted on 10/16/2012 4:35:47 AM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: sharkhawk

I wouldn’t expect any account that the police got from these low lifes was exactly boy scout honest.


11 posted on 10/16/2012 4:39:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Venturer

Yep.


12 posted on 10/16/2012 4:41:59 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Agreed. The professors assumed the athletes were rapists, instead of reserving judgement for the courts or even questioning the feasibility of the accusation. They became guilty of defamation or at least rush to judgement by signing the public accusation letter.


13 posted on 10/16/2012 5:40:26 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: sharkhawk

One of the “officials” was, and still is, Dean of Students Sue Wasiolek, a licensed North Carolina lawyer, who told the students NOT to tell their parents or bother with retaining lawyers. It’s part of the lawsuit.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 5:48:43 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

I really didn’t want to read this post, because as I feared, it would stir up all of the genuine rage this case caused during it’s early stages..

When I first read the initial accounts of this episode, I was outraged over the accusations being leveled at these players.. It gave me pause that the accuser was a woman of somewhat questionable character, but I found her experience, all too sympathetic..

It was only when the early stories began to take on the appearance of a stereotypical litany of oft used feminist, pile-on, laundry list of victimization claims..

How conveniently, this unknown, unnamed, unvetted storyline
adapted so well to the stereotype of all Lilly-white, rich sons of suburban privilege.. Buy, use, then throwaway any and all poor, hard working, single, minority women/men/children.. WOW.. Wait, What?

At first blush, as the inconvenient truth, slowly began to come forward, these boys were not all that privileged, nor were they without a entirely different plausible explanation..

However, that divergent view couldn’t be true, because it was so incredibly different, the only possibility would cast doubt on EVERYTHING that we were being told, not only about the facts about the incident itself, but the about this totally sympathetic accuser..


15 posted on 10/16/2012 6:46:58 AM PDT by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: abb

Thanks for the ping.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 6:50:41 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: LS

the legal docs

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MAINE
RYAN McFADYEN and EDWARD )
CARRINGTON, )

Plaintiffs

v. No. 2:12-mc-196-JHR

DUKE UNIVERSITY,

Defendant

MEMORANDUM DECISION ON MOTIONS TO COMPEL AND TO QUASH SUBPOENA

Two motions, one to compel and one to quash, have been filed regarding subpoenas for deposition and to produce documents served in two related foreign actions. The subpoenas, dated July 9, 2012, were served by Duke University on Dr. Robert David Johnson, a Maine resident and a non-party to two actions pending in the United States District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina that gave rise to the discovery sought. Duke seeks an order compelling Dr. Johnson to produce certain documents and appear for deposition, and Dr. Johnson seeks an order quashing the subpoenas. For the reasons that follow, I grant the motion to compel in part and deny the motion to quash.

(At oral argument, counsel for both parties took the position that the motions should be decided by this court, rather than the court in which the underlying actions are pending)

I. Background
In the underlying actions, former members of the Duke lacrosse team have sued Duke University and others for their actions or inaction in the spring of 2006 when, in a case of national notoriety, several Duke lacrosse players had been accused of crimes by a dancer who had been hired to perform at a party. The criminal charges resulting from these accusations were ultimately dismissed. Dr. Johnson and a co-author wrote a book about these events, entitled Until Proven Innocent, and Dr. Johnson wrote a blog about them, called “Durham-in-Wonderland,” which he continues to write.

On June 9, 2011, the presiding judge in the North Carolina cases issued an order granting in part a motion to stay. In the underlying “McFadyen” case, Counts 21 and 24 were not stayed. Count 21 alleges a breach of contract arising out of the imposition of disciplinary measures against the student plaintiffs. Count 24 alleges fraudulent misrepresentation in letters regarding “DukeCard” information2. In the underlying “Carrington” case, Counts 8 (for fraud), 11 (for constructive fraud), and 19 (for negligent misrepresentation) were not stayed. The court allowed discovery to proceed only with respect to these counts.

The deposition subpoenas served on Dr. Johnson by Duke set a deposition date of August 6, 2012, and the document subpoenas set a date for production of 10 or 11 categories of documents of July 30, 2012. The document subpoenas include one page entitled “Introduction,” three pages of definitions, and a page of instructions. The following categories of documents were requested:

1. all notes from interviews with named individuals “during which any Information Concerning Pending Claims was discussed.”

2. all “discovery files” as that term was used in Dr. Johnson’s September 1, 2008, blog titled “Paperback Source Notes” that contain any “Information Concerning Pending Claims;”

3. all correspondence with Robert C. Ekstrand, Stefanie Sparks Smith, or any other attorney or employee of Ekstrand & Ekstrand LLP3 “that contain any Information Concerning Pending Claims;”

4. in the “Carrington” case subpoena only, all correspondence with Charles J. Cooper, Peter A. Patterson, David H. Thompson, Nichole J. Moss, or any other attorney or employee of Cooper & Kirk, PCCL, that contain any Information Concerning Pending Claims;

5. all correspondence with any Duke lacrosse player that contains any Information Concerning Pending Claims;

6. all correspondence with any Duke employee that contains any Information Concerning Pending Claims;

7. all correspondence with any Duke alumnus that contains any Information Concerning Pending Claims;

8. all documents “that concern, discuss, or reflect any payments made to a Duke Lacrosse Player for that person’s time or information relating to the Lacrosse Incident;”

9. all documents “that concern, discuss, or reflect any payments made to Robert C. Ekstrand, Stefanie Sparks Smith, or any other attorney or employee of Ekstrand & Ekstrand for that person’s time or information relating to the Lacrosse Incident”;

10. all policies or contractual agreements “that concern, discuss, or reflect the management of” Dr. Johnson’s Duke-related website; and
11. all policies or contractual agreements that concern, discuss, or reflect the removal of comments posed on” Dr. Johnson’s Duke-related website.

The subpoenas define “Information Concerning Pending Claims” to include the following subjects:

(a) the disclosure of DukeCard Data to the Durham Police department, the subsequent subpoena that was issued to Matthew Drummond on May 31, 2006, seeking production of DukeCard Data by Duke, or the responses to that subpoena;

(b) in the “Carrington” case subpoena only, communications between Tallman Trask and the co-captains of the 2005-2006 Duke men’s lacrosse team on March 24, 2006, or any subsequent discussions regarding those Communications;

(c) in the “Carrington” case subpoena only, communications between Richard Brodhead and the co-captains of the 2005-2006 Duke men’s lacrosse team on March 28, 2006, or any subsequent discussions regarding those communications;

(d) in the “Carrington” case subpoena only, communications between Suzanne Wasiolek and one or more of the co-captains on March 15, 2006, and thereafter or any subsequent discussions regarding those Communications; or the job performance of Richard Brodhead, Robert Dean, Matthew Drummond, Aaron Graves, Kate Hendricks, Tallman Trask, and Suzanne Wasiolek;

(e) in the “McFadyen” case subpoena only, information regarding the disciplinary proceedings concerning Breck Archer, the disciplinary proceedings concerning Matthew Wilson, or the interim suspension of Ryan McFadyen.

II. Discussion

A. The Subpoena for Documents

Following discussion and negotiation by the lawyers involved, Duke has agreed to limit its demand for documents to non-privileged communications with “publicly-acknowledged sources,” Motion to Compel Robert David Johnson’s Compliance with Subpoenas (“Motion to Compel”) (ECF No. 1) at 4, and to further limit its inquiry to the topic areas of (a) events occurring between March 13, 2006, and March 28, 2006, (b) the subpoena for DukeCard information served by the Durham, North Carolina police, (c) Duke’s prior release of DukeCard information to the Durham police, and (d) any disciplinary action taken against a plaintiff in the McFadyen case. Id. at 10 n.4.4 My discussion addresses only this narrowed scope of requests.

4 The footnote also says that Duke will limit its requests to written communications between Dr. Johnson and, inter alia, the players’ parents. There was no request for communications between Dr. Johnson and the parents in the initial subpoena. I will not order Dr. Johnson to produce any documents not reasonably within the scope of the initial subpoena.

At oral argument, counsel appeared to agree that this dispute is controlled by the First Circuit’s decision in Cusumano v. Microsoft Corp., 162 F.3d 708 (1st Cir. 1998), although they disagree sharply about how its teachings should be applied here. In that case, the defendant sought the notes, recordings, and transcripts of a third-party author and college professor, as well as his correspondence, with 40 employees of its primary competitor, for possible use in its defense in an antitrust action. Id. at 711. The court from which the subpoena had issued declined to compel the production of this material.

On appeal, the First Circuit held that such individuals “are within a group whose pre-publication research merits a modicum of protection.” Id. at 715. It then set out the applicable test as follows:

[W]hen a subpoena seeks divulgement of confidential information compiled by a journalist or academic researcher in anticipation of publication, courts must apply a balancing test. This test contemplates consideration of a myriad of factors, often uniquely drawn out of the factual circumstances of the particular case. Each party comes to this test holding a burden. Initially, the movant must make a prima facie showing that his claim of need and relevance is not frivolous. Upon such a showing, the burden shifts to the objector to demonstrate the basis for withholding the information. The court then must place those factors that relate to the movant’s need for the information on one pan of the scales and those that reflect the objector’s interest in confidentiality and the potential injury to the free flow of information that disclosure portends on the opposite pan.
Id. at 716 (citations omitted).

Here, Duke has shown that it is likely that there exist more communications between Dr. Johnson and the plaintiffs than the 70 emails that Duke has been able to locate to date, and that the plaintiffs have not been able to produce them when asked to do so. See, e.g., [Partial Transcript of] Videotaped Deposition of Anthony McDevitt (ECF No. 2-5) at 314; [Partial Transcript of] Videotaped Deposition of Edward C. Carrington, VII (ECF No. 2-6) at 246-47; [Partial Transcript of] Videotaped Deposition of John Jennison (ECF No. 2-7) at 236; and Letter dated September 10, 2012, from Jason F. Trumpbour to Tom Segars, Esq. (ECF No. 13-4).

The relevance of such communications is fairly obvious: Dr. Johnson wrote about the very incidents that are at issue in the underlying actions. Duke’s need for such information is also apparent: Duke is defending itself against the claims of the same individuals who communicated with Dr. Johnson about the events at issue. Unlike the moving party in Cusumano, 162 F.3d at 716-17, Duke has taken the time and made the effort to try to obtain from other sources the information that it seeks from Dr. Johnson. Thus, Duke has made the necessary prima facie showing under Cusumano.

Dr. Johnson has aimed most of his fire at these initial requirements. However, with respect to his burden to demonstrate a basis for withholding the information, he has adequately shown that he and the plaintiffs in the underlying actions had an expectation of privacy, see Affidavit of Robert David Johnson (“Johnson Aff.”) (ECF No. 5-1) ¶¶ 8-10, 12-16. Yet, that is not enough, particularly where, as here, the plaintiffs are themselves the parties who stand to benefit from Dr. Johnson’s invocation of the shield of privacy while pursuing claims against Duke based upon the very events about which they spoke with Dr. Johnson. Contrary to Dr. Johnson’s argument, I do not see how compelling him, under these circumstances, to reveal what the plaintiffs told him will chill his efforts to obtain information about the Duke lacrosse scandal from any other individuals. People who bring suit must expect that their prior statements that are relevant to their claims cannot be hidden from those whom they are suing.

(Note 6: Duke’s proffered interest in possible impeachment of the plaintiff lacrosse players’ testimony, standing alone, is not enough to justify production. See In re Bextra & Celebrex Marketing Sales Practices & Product Liability Litig., 249 F.R.D. 8, 12 (D. Mass. 2008). In addition, its professed concern for “testing” the plaintiffs’ claims of attorney-client privilege should be addressed to the trial judge.

(Note 7: I note that much of Dr. Johnson’s concern is directed at Duke employees or those who “had business or other professional dealings with Duke or the city of Durham that they wanted to avoid jeopardizing.” Johnson Aff. ¶¶ 12-13. Duke’s request has now been limited to communications with the plaintiffs and their attorneys, so these concerns are no longer relevant.

In my view, the Cusumano balance tips in favor of Duke under the circumstances of this case. As narrowed, Duke’s request for communications between the plaintiffs and/or their lawyers and Dr. Johnson, concerning a distinct period of time, and limited to three discrete issues, does not harm the plaintiffs’ expectations of privacy, rendered ineffectual by their decisions to bring the underlying lawsuits, and does not affect the free flow of information sufficiently to require that the modified subpoena be quashed.

When information is sought by subpoena from a non-party, like Dr. Johnson here, the court must also be concerned for the burden “thrust upon” those third parties. Cusumano, 162 F.3d at 717. In this case, however, Dr. Johnson has made no attempt to show that compliance with the modified request will be unduly burdensome. Indeed, he says that he no longer has his handwritten notes from his interviews of any Duke students or former students. Johnson Aff. ¶¶ 26, 28. Notably, he has not contended that he no longer has access to emails that would be responsive to the subpoenas.

Given the modified and narrowed scope of the document subpoenas, I see no need for the privilege log requested by Duke.

Memorandum of Law in Response to Robert David Johnson’s Motion to Quash Subpoenas (ECF No. 11-1) at 4-5.

B. The Deposition Subpoenas

Dr. Johnson devotes little argument to his motion to quash the subpoenas for his deposition. He contends that the deposition subpoenas should be quashed “[f]or the same reasons of privilege and respect for the First Amendment.”

I have addressed Dr. Johnson’s First Amendment concerns in the context of the subpoenas for documents and have concluded that those concerns do not require the quashing of the documentary subpoenas, as now limited in scope.

The only other argument raised in support of his motion to quash the deposition subpoenas by Dr. Johnson is an assertion that “the prior deposition taken from Dr. Johnson [presumably by Duke] is replete with examples of improper questioning of a reporter’s editorial judgments and thought processes.” Id. Such questions would not be appropriate in any deposition of Dr. Johnson taken at this time, because they are well beyond the limited scope of discovery allowed by the trial court in North Carolina, as further voluntarily limited by Duke herein. Should such questions be posed, and should the questioner insist upon answers, or seek to prolong the deposition by asking other inappropriate questions, Dr. Johnson and his attorney have available the same remedy available to all deponents in federal lawsuits: contacting the court to request a remedial order, even as promptly as during a recess of the deposition.

Dr. Johnson has not made the necessary case for quashing the subpoenas for his deposition. See, e.g., M.Y. v. Danly, Inc., Civil Nos. 09-108-P-H, 10-308-P-H, 2010 WL 4569852, at *1 (D. Me. Nov. 3, 2010).

III. Conclusion

For the foregoing reasons, Duke University’s motion to compel compliance with its subpoenas directed to Dr. Robert David Johnson is GRANTED IN PART: Dr. Johnson shall provide all communications between him and the named plaintiffs in the underlying actions or between him and the attorneys who represented those plaintiffs at the relevant time, limited to the time period and issues set forth in footnote 4 on page 10 of Duke’s motion to compel, and Dr. Johnson shall appear for deposition at a mutually agreeable time and place. The motion to compel is otherwise DENIED. Dr. Johnson’s motion to quash the subpoenas is DENIED.

Dated this 12th day of October, 2012.

/s/ John H. Rich III

John H. Rich III


17 posted on 10/16/2012 6:52:20 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb
who told the students NOT to tell their parents or bother with retaining lawyers.

NOTHING makes me reach faster for my phone than someone telling me I don't need a lawyer.

/johnny

18 posted on 10/16/2012 6:54:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s all just a giant fishing expedition, to try and find (or create) a “gotcha!” moment.

And, since the players also talked with some reporters
early on, one has to wonder why those reporters are not
subpoenaed.

The book’s author will not be out considerable legal expense (more so if he appeals).

If nothing else, this punishes him for writing a book critical of Duke (MOO).


19 posted on 10/16/2012 7:10:51 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: All

http://dukecheck.com/?p=7666

Defense lawyers bonanza!
Posted on October 15, 2012 by DukeCheck

In the continuing lacrosse litigation…

Duke University has won a victory which, in our view, has the long-range potential to hinder inquiry and scholarship into current events, and the short-range impact of hassling a history professor who co-authored a book about the false claims of rape at a 2006 team party and the way three players were set up for prosecution by a now-disbarred District Attorney.

The book, “Until Proven Innocent,” takes the Brodhead Administration to task for its handling of the crisis: its failure to support a fair trial for the students, its failure to control an element of the faculty that was marching behind a “Castrate” sign and even giving athletes failing grades for no reason. The book was right; President Brodhead later mustered the courage to stand at a law school conference and apologize. At least apologize in part, though not to the people who were offended.

The judge — in a federal courtroom in Maine because that’s where the professor, K.C. Johnson of Brooklyn College, now lives — put a severe damper on Duke’s desire for a wide-ranging, aggressive fishing expedition with Johnson.

During the coming deposition — in other words, during preparation for trial in a case where he is neither plaintiff nor defendant — Duke can question Johnson only about what players told him, and not about interviews with their parents. And the questions must relate to two-week period at the very start of the crisis.

We would imagine that Duke wants to know what the players told Johnson so it can keep that information in reserve, and if a player says something now that contradicts what he may have said earlier, try to impeach his testimony. This is the kind of legal work you get when you are a client with deep pockets, willing to spend any amount for fees and expenses.

The corrupt District Attorney was, of course, Mike Nifong. On Tuesday morning, we learned that one of his assistant d-a’s, Freda Bowman Black, was charged with drunk driving after she made a sudden swooping u-turn, crossing a double yellow line on NC 751 and cutting off another vehicle. She was Nifong’s Nemesis, and he fired her just prior to the lax case, but it’s just another example of the type of person and depth of stench in Nifong’s operation.


20 posted on 10/16/2012 7:55:23 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb
Uh, as "Dean of Students", shouldn't she be held to the concept of "in loco parentis", at least on advising them on not informing parents and not seeking legal advice?
21 posted on 10/16/2012 9:14:14 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke; CondorFlight

The clown judge has already ruled that Duke has no contractual obligation toward students in that regard.

(Condor, give us some guidance on what exactly Beaty ruled, please.)


22 posted on 10/16/2012 11:34:16 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: LS

This sounds like the specious thinking that goes on constantly at LS. Defending the players is one thing, being practically stupid is another. While I disagree with the action of the faculty, since when do we or can we be allowed to sue because we disagree with someone’s opinion or point of view. Unfortunately the Liestoppers board has been infected with a serious case of group think and those who disagree are demeaned and excoriated for having a different point of view. That is the reason so few people bother to post there any more on any subject. The heavy hands of Baldo, the Empress Foster and the CIA agent wannabe Mason/Lodge Pro control the conversation. It’s sad but unfortunately while seeking truth, they manage to create only a one way street to it.


23 posted on 11/17/2012 8:37:00 PM PST by Memphis Blues (Never Underestimate the Power of Ignorance)
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To: Memphis Blues

Faculty have academic freedom to speak in their area of authority in the classroom. They do not have the right to publicly slander or defame the reputations of innocent people, especially students with whose care you are entrusted. These faculty wouldn’t last a minute in a trial.


24 posted on 11/18/2012 4:25:52 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS

This case is not about academic freedom. Does being on the faculty prohibit free speech? Perhaps one should ask why so few Duke faculty spoke out in defense of the players until the facts were known. Outside of the non testimonial order, I don’t see the plaintiffs here getting much out of this lawsuit particularly issues related to the 88 faculty members.

No one has the right to defame or slander another person but it is the result of that defamation that must be proven here. Can you tell me how any of the players other than the three accused were hurt or suffered loss of some kind other than whatever fees paid to lawyers.


25 posted on 11/19/2012 5:52:35 AM PST by Memphis Blues (Never Underestimate the Power of Ignorance)
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To: Memphis Blues

Absolutely: they all have to walk around with the stigma (especially in this PC society) of being “rapists.” And, yes, lawyers fees are tangible and should be taken out of faculty pay, NOT the donors’.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 7:58:10 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: abb

I watch “Investigation Discovery” on TV on a regular basis. The story of Crystal Magnum’s on right now!

They repeat these programs regularly all day long...all night. They’re 20 minutes into the program so far and it’s all “poor me.”

ARGH!


27 posted on 12/14/2012 7:30:26 PM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: abb

The Investigation Discovery (ID) program about Crystal Magnum is:

Wives With Knives (New)

ID: Friday, December 14 10:00 PM
Documentary, Crime

Stripped to the Bone
After a string of bad relationships a woman stabs her lover during a fight and ends up in jail.


So far, she is making it seem as if it’s everyone else’s fault that she has made bad decisions all her life...she’s never to blame. She’s interviewed throughout the hour.


28 posted on 12/14/2012 7:58:16 PM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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