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Joe Bidenís Religion: Catholicism or Leftism? Which faith has hold over Joe Bidenís soul?
National Review ^ | 10/16/2012 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 10/16/2012 5:32:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In the vice-presidential debate, the two candidates, both Roman Catholics, were asked about their religious beliefs, about how those beliefs impact their political positions, and specifically about abortion. This was the response of Vice President Joe Biden:

My religion defines who I am. And I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life. And it has particularly informed my social doctrine. Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who — who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help.

With regard to abortion, I accept my church’s position on abortion as a — what we call de fide doctrine. Life begins at conception. That’s the Church’s judgment. I accept it in my personal life.

But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews and — I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman.

I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that women, they can’t control their body. It’s a decision between them and their doctor, in my view. And the Supreme Court — I’m not going to interfere with that.

Let’s analyze this response.

1. “My religion defines who I am.”

If a conservative Evangelical Christian candidate for national office said that he defined himself by his religious beliefs, liberals would be screaming that the wall between church and state was in danger of being taken down.

Here is the rule in American politics: When the Left uses religion to promote liberal policies, it is a beautiful thing. When the Right uses religion to promote conservative policies, it threatens the separation of church and state and may lead to the creation of a theocracy.

2. “It has particularly informed my social doctrine. Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help.”

This illustrates my previous point. Biden’s Catholicism leads him to promote liberal social policies, specifically an ever-expanding state to take care of “people who need help.” What else could his statement mean? After all, what religion doesn’t expect its adherents to take “care of those who can’t take care of themselves”? Protestant Christianity? Judaism? Islam? Buddhism? Mitt Romney’s Mormonism?

Since all religions do, what is the difference between Romney’s religious call to help the less fortunate and Biden’s religious call to help these people?

The difference, as seen in the enormous difference between Biden’s charitable donations and Romney’s, is the difference between conservatism and liberalism: Conservatism holds that we all have to take care of ourselves and our fellow citizens; liberalism holds that the state — funded by some of us — has to.

3. “I accept my church’s position on abortion. . . . I just refuse to impose that on others.”

This sounds beautiful to liberals. But it is as un-thought-through as it is un-Catholic.

Why is Mr. Biden completely comfortable with policies that “impose on others” what he understands as Catholic “social doctrine”? He will use the government to forcefully take people’s money away and impose whatever policies he thinks Catholic social doctrine favors. Why, then, will he not impose on others his church’s definition of the worth of human life from conception?

There are three possible answers. One is that he doesn’t really believe in his church’s position on abortion. A second is that he does believe in it, but would have to leave the Democratic party if he tried to implement that policy. The third is that he believes that the Church’s views on abortion pertain only to Catholics — and even then, only on a “personal” basis.

If we are to take him at his word, that latter is what he believes: that his church’s view on abortion applies only to him personally: “Life begins at conception. That’s the Church’s judgment. I accept it in my personal life.” But if that is his opinion, his religiosity is not morally meaningful. If an act is moral or immoral only for him, then it is not moral or immoral. Either something is immoral for everyone (in the same circumstance) or it is not immoral.

Which is why the Church’s teaching is that abortion is morally wrong for everyone, just as neglecting the needy is morally wrong for everyone.

But Joe Biden would never say that the Catholic Church’s social doctrine is only valid “in my personal life.” So, what does Joe Biden, the Catholic, believe about abortion?

These statements by the vice president of the United States provide one more example of the fact that leftism — not Christianity, not Catholicism, and not Islam — has been the most influential religion in the world for the last century.

Only when Catholicism agrees with leftism is Joe Biden prepared to impose the former’s teachings. When his Catholicism does not agree with leftism, it is reduced to being a matter of personal faith, no more binding on non-Catholics than receiving the Eucharist.

And in this regard he is no different from many Jews and Protestant Christians. Their religious expression may be Judaism or Christianity, but their religion, like Biden’s, is leftism. Which is why liberal Jews and liberal Christians have much more in common than liberal Jews have with conservative Jews or liberal Christians have with conservative Christians. They share what they deem truly important — leftism.

— Dennis Prager, a nationally syndicated columnist and radio talk-show host, is author of Still the Best Hope: Why the World Needs American Values to Triumph. He may be contacted through his website, dennisprager.com.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: biden; catholicism; joebiden; leftism

1 posted on 10/16/2012 5:33:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Professional” politicians have no soul. Their religion is about themselves!


2 posted on 10/16/2012 5:37:01 AM PDT by texson66 (In the words of Kent Brockman, "As for myself, I welcome our new commie overlords...")
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To: SeekAndFind

Joe only “takes care” of those who can vote. Unfortunately, that does not include the truly weakest of God’s children, the unborn.

When he breathes his last, the Roman Catholic Church will provide him with a full blown dignitary’s funeral. No wonder Democrat politicians do not honor their church’s teachings.


3 posted on 10/16/2012 5:37:37 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

I would like to coin a phrase, I hope Mitt’s team picks up on this:
“Recreational Abortion”.


4 posted on 10/16/2012 5:41:30 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: SeekAndFind

An important question is also to what extent is the Catholic faith, as commonly administered in the US, leftist?

Today’s Daily Caller has an article that opens:

“Letters signed by Barack Obama 25 years ago and obtained by The Daily Caller, show the future president approaching Chicago’s then-mayor Harold Washington in 1987 about a community organizing project whose advisory board would include his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright; the controversial leftist Catholic priest Father Michael Pfleger; and the brother of Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers.”

Michael Pfleger’s base was radical leftist Catholics.

see:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/16/documents-despite-obamas-2008-claims-political-relationship-with-rev-wright-began-as-early-as-1987/


5 posted on 10/16/2012 5:42:00 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberalism.

No question there, the God of Liberalism is far more influential and powerful to the likes of liberalism than is the God of Christianity.

You cannot be a Christian/Catholic and fully support on-demand abortion and infanticide.


6 posted on 10/16/2012 5:43:37 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who — who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help.”

So let’s see here, unborn children cannot take care of themselves, so let’s just kill them.

” Life begins at conception. “

That’s why it’s murder.

“But I refuse to impose it (churches position on abortion) on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews - - -”

But this jackass will impose his socialist Marxist liberal beliefs on all of us whether we like it or not.

Question answered, Leftism is his religion as well as his mental disease.


7 posted on 10/16/2012 5:44:03 AM PDT by redfreedom (Just a simpleton enjoying the freedoms a fly-over/red state has to offer.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Biden’s no more a “Catholic” than was Ted Kennedy.
8 posted on 10/16/2012 5:45:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: redfreedom

Joe Biden’s religion: Unknown.

Same with the O.


9 posted on 10/16/2012 5:45:37 AM PDT by Michigander222
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To: redfreedom

Joe Biden’s religion: Unknown.

Same with the O.


10 posted on 10/16/2012 5:45:42 AM PDT by Michigander222
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To: txrefugee

“When he breathes his last, the Roman Catholic Church will provide him with a full blown dignitary’s funeral.”

__________________________________________

I don’t think so.

“Vice President Joe Biden has been instructed by bishops not to present himself for Communion; he has been the subject of many reprimands; and he has been banned from speaking at Catholic institutions. Most of these sanctions are a function of his pro-abortion views.”

http://www.catholicleague.org/bidens-weary-catholicism


11 posted on 10/16/2012 5:47:39 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: txrefugee

If Ted Kennedy wasn’t given a diosesean funeral then Biden surely won’t.


12 posted on 10/16/2012 5:48:59 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: theBuckwheat
Alinsky preferentially and calculatingly insinuated himself in the religious structure (and advised others to do so) in Chicago, in particular the Catholic church.

From an interview with Playboy magazine in 1972:
"...“Well, the first thing I did, the first thing I always do, is to move into the community as an observer, to talk with people and listen and learn their grievances and their attitudes. Then I look around at what I’ve got to work with, what levers I can use to pry closed doors open, what institutions or organizations already exist that can be useful. In the case of Back of the Yards, the area was 95 percent Roman Catholic, and I recognized that if I could win the support of the Church, we’d be off and running. Conversely, without the Church, or at least some elements of it, it was unlikely that we’d be able to make much of a dent in the community...”

What a scumbag. But a leftist. And this is how leftists view God: as a tool.

13 posted on 10/16/2012 5:51:20 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind

Guys like Biden say they don’t want to impose their religion on voters. I see. So does that mean he doesn’t want to impose his political views on the voters?

He works for the biggest abortionist in the nation.

Mr. Biden should be ashamed.

Joe knows the value of a good rationalization.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 5:52:05 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Loves To Spend My $$$$$$$$$$$$)
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To: SeekAndFind

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." - Jesus, in John 14:15


15 posted on 10/16/2012 5:54:28 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Arrogant, condescending, elitist totalitarian socialism. Any affiliation to the Catholic church is just cover for this punk, as it is with so many criminals.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 5:56:14 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: redfreedom
Catholic social doctrine essence is to stand for those who are least in society, those who cannot do it for themselves. The unborn cannot speak for themselves and their parents will not, so it is up to the community to stand for them and provide life. Abortion still violates the universal law thou shall not kill and one is still held accountable even if the liberals say no
17 posted on 10/16/2012 6:01:23 AM PDT by wmap
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To: rlmorel

Thanks for post #13. It reinforces my observation of this scumbag.


18 posted on 10/16/2012 6:03:00 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: SeekAndFind

Joe Biden’s religion is Joe Biden and the power, wealth and perqs that can be rendered unto him.


19 posted on 10/16/2012 6:06:48 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gaffe-ism, goofism, and stupidism have a hold on his soul.


20 posted on 10/16/2012 6:09:24 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: SeekAndFind
Which faith has hold over Joe Biden’s soul?

*************

IS THIS A TRICK QUESTION??

joe_walter1

21 posted on 10/16/2012 6:10:56 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: rlmorel

All Democrat politicians have the Democrat Party as their religion. They may go to a catholic Mass, but when it comes down to the Nitty Gritty they will go with the Party.

God may reward their prayers or not, but the party is guaranteed to give them what they want if they are in power.


22 posted on 10/16/2012 6:11:02 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind
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23 posted on 10/16/2012 6:12:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Michigander222
Joe Biden’s religion: Unknown. Same with the O.

Well, communist "Black Liberation Theology" is not actually a legit religion, but...

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

["(Jose) Diaz-Balart is the son of Rafael Diaz-Balart y Guitierrez (a former Cuban politician). He has three bothers, Rafael Diaz-Balart (a banker), Mario Diaz-Balart (a US Congressman) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (also a US Congressman). His aunt, Mirta Diaz-Balart, was Fidel Castro's first wife."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Diaz-Balart]

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
_______________________________________________________

Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02
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Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD

24 posted on 10/16/2012 6:15:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: PGalt
In all my years, I had never seen quite a snake as the one I saw in Alinsky when I began to discover more about who he was.

In 2009, I had been trying to figure out a way to obtain a copy of “Rules for Radicals” because it is the bible followed by Obama and his associates. I had been trying to get it without paying for it, and the copies at the library were backordered for months. To my surprise, one finally came in after about a six month delay.

When I was about a third of the way through “Rules for Radicals”, I concluded that reading it tells you everything you need to know about the people who profess to follow it as a bible, especially the ones pushing the legislation we have seen in the last four years.

The book explains a lot. And none of it is good.

I am big into audiobooks, and I was going to dictate the entire "Rules for Radicals" and make an audiobook out of it to give to my close associates, who, like me, don’t want a single red cent to go to anyone associated with writing, printing or distributing that hideous work. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I couldn’t stomach hearing myself read it in a way that would make it easier on the ears to listen to (To put the inflection in the right places means you have to read it as if you believe it, and I gave up after one chapter.)

It is probably one of the most amoral, twisted works I have ever read. Given that Alinsky wrote a dedication to Lucifer, I shouldn’t be surprised. The dedication was taken out of later editions so as not to offend the clergy he was attempting to recruit, but the version I read had it. Apparently, it was a copy from the 1980's, and they figured it was safe to put it back in. Some Freepers didn't believe that Alinsky had actually written that dedication since it wasn't in their copy, so I posted this picture:

From what I can see, reading that book enables one to understand what makes Obama (and his devoted followers) tick.

The very FIRST paragraph exposes very clearly what they are all about:
"What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. 'The Prince' was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. 'Rules for Radicals' is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."

It is unrestricted class warfare, pure and simple. And it is the bible of Obama and his like-minded followers.

25 posted on 10/16/2012 6:25:04 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: Venturer

That is the essence of the observation...they will pay lip service, but when it comes to policy, God comes second.


26 posted on 10/16/2012 6:29:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a trick question: Joe Biden has no soul.


27 posted on 10/16/2012 6:33:04 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s a typical cafeteria Catholic: He quite honestly believes in abortion for all 9 months and also after if the newly born baby is “unwanted.” No doubt about that.

For any and all Catholics who believe in any abortion at any time, they have to believe in infanticide . . . call it anything else you want . . . it’s still murder of an unborn infant . . . no matter how you cut it.

He and any other pro-death democrat should be publicly excommunicated immediately.

The Catholic church has shown itself to be spineless in these matters.


28 posted on 10/16/2012 6:34:11 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: SeekAndFind

Joe is what is called a “Sunday morning Catholic”.

They spend Monday through Friday breaking the 10 commandments at will.

Saturday they go to the confessional.

Sunday they take communion.

Sunday night they go back to plundering and pillaging.


29 posted on 10/16/2012 6:35:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: rlmorel

Thanks so much, rlmorel. BUMP-TO-THE-TOP!


30 posted on 10/16/2012 6:41:11 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: SeekAndFind

Quote from a former pastor:

“I don’t know how any Christian can go to church on Sunday and vote for a democrat on Tuesday.”


31 posted on 10/16/2012 6:43:31 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("It's better to vote for a Republican you don't know than wind up with a dim you don't like".)
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To: IronJack
It’s a trick question: Joe Biden has no soul.

He hasn't a brain either.

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32 posted on 10/16/2012 6:43:57 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: laweeks
If Biden leaves it to his personal belief he would vote for pro life candidates vs pro abortion candidates. That would be a loop hole. Obama would not be someone he could vote for. That would be consistent with his conscious a Democrat and faithful catholic
33 posted on 10/16/2012 6:46:52 AM PDT by wmap
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To: laweeks
If Biden leaves it to his personal belief he would vote for pro life candidates vs pro abortion candidates. That would be a loop hole. Obama would not be someone he could vote for. That would be consistent with his conscious a Democrat and faithful catholic
34 posted on 10/16/2012 6:47:08 AM PDT by wmap
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To: wmap
Joe Biden on Abortion


35 posted on 10/16/2012 7:03:54 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: PGalt

Thanks...it is sad, though. WE know who he is, but the vast majority of Americans have no idea who this guy is, and the influence his twisted views have had on many of the people who are currently running this government, Obama and Clinton just to name two.

But hey, we know, and that is always a start!


36 posted on 10/16/2012 7:07:30 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: wmap
Barack Obama on Abortion


37 posted on 10/16/2012 7:08:46 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

38 posted on 10/16/2012 7:11:59 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: wmap
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39 posted on 10/16/2012 7:14:47 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The next Person that tells me I’m not religious, I’m going to shove my rosary beads up their a$$.” Joe Biden

This pretty well explains it all.


40 posted on 10/16/2012 7:19:51 AM PDT by Phosgood (Send in the Clowns...but Wait, they're here!! >..<)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Conservatism holds that we all have to take care of ourselves and our fellow citizens; liberalism holds that the state — funded by some of us — has to.

A brilliant statement, worth repeating!

41 posted on 10/16/2012 7:40:41 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Phosgood

Let’s add some more great Oratory to your list:

‘Paying taxes is voluntary.” - Harry Reid

And it has been widely circulated that this was said in 2006 ( but I am not sure, so don’t quote me on that ):

‘You don’t need God anymore, you have us Democrats.’
- Nancy Pelosi


42 posted on 10/16/2012 7:52:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Phosgood

He actually said “The next Republican that tells me I’m not religious I’m going to shove my rosary beads down their throat”


43 posted on 10/16/2012 8:53:50 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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