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Billy Graham's group removes Mormon cult reference from website after Romney meeting
CNN ^ | 10/16/12 | Eric Marrapodi

Posted on 10/16/2012 1:59:50 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks

Shortly after Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney enjoyed cookies and soft drinks with the Rev. Billy Graham and his son Franklin Graham on Thursday at the elder Graham's mountaintop retreat, a reference to Mormonism as a cult was scrubbed from the website of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

In a section of the website called Billy Graham's My Answer there had been the question "What is a cult?"

Answer: "A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith."

"Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others," the site continued.

No longer. On Tuesday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association confirmed that page has recently been removed from the site.

“Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ," Ken Barun, chief of staff for the association, told CNN in a statement. "We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign."

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1 posted on 10/16/2012 1:59:54 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

“We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign.”

Makes good sense


2 posted on 10/16/2012 2:05:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

sad


3 posted on 10/16/2012 2:06:12 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Well, the truth is still the truth, Billy. Politicized or not. This is exactly why we suffer so much, because we never show up to the societal debates in the first place. If nobody is out there representing us how do we expect our beliefs to be represented accurately, if at all?


4 posted on 10/16/2012 2:06:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
When I was a kid I would ask my parents, "Why didn't the Indians all just team up together to beat the settlers instead of warring with each other at the same time"

I have the same question, now, as an adult, about religious folks. Let's just defeat the communists first. We can kill each other later.

5 posted on 10/16/2012 2:09:42 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri
Let's just defeat the communists first. We can kill each other later.

Or, as in Islam: Let's just defeat kill the communists Infidels first. We can kill each other later.

6 posted on 10/16/2012 2:13:57 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Cult” per se is a modern term. The Christian church of the gospels had it simpler: you’re a believer or you aren’t. They didn’t bother to tag nonbelievers’ or heretics’ religious organizations with a special name.


7 posted on 10/16/2012 2:14:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: JimRed

They seem to be pretty adept at killing everyone at the same time. But, then, they don’t have any real opposition except each other.


8 posted on 10/16/2012 2:17:03 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri; All
I have the same question, now, as an adult, about religious folks. Let's just defeat the communists first. We can kill each other later.

Interesting, that given the Mormon church 180-year history of referencing ALL Christian sects as...[see chart below]...why don't posters like yourself be a little more specific and direct such a question to the Mormon church itself????

If you were of a given religion; and if the religion of that candidate specifically condemned you and your religion -- as the Mormon church has done of Christian sects -- would you find that "inspirational" to say "amen" by voting for that representative Mormon candidate?

BTW, many of the references below are Lds sacred "scriptures" -- vs. just some Mormon leader condemning Christians in some tabernacle sermon somewhere...IOW...we're not simply referencing some obscure leader's opinion...we're talking about Lds "sacred scriptures" which can't easily be thrown under the political bus!

Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects

Mormon Source

[Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain]
“...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth” [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead] Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30
Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not “scripture” – but still publicly spoken by the Mormon ‘living prophet’ and published by a later Mormon ‘living prophet,’ Joseph Fielding Smith – via a publisher owned by the Mormon church – Deseret News Press, 1938]
“In 1952…the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world…It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized…[four topics, one of them being]THE APOSTASY and Restoration…” [This makes it 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 55,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as “apostates” (100% AWOL)] Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996

9 posted on 10/16/2012 2:17:50 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Actually [[ “Some of these groups are Jehovah’s Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others ]]...

These; Are no more weird than the Roman Catholic Church.. visit latin America sometime and you will see..

BUT they all are more logical than the democrat party..
Democracy was, is and always will be Mob Rule by mobsters..
No Democracy has ever yet been democratic or ever will be..
Democracy is a lie.. a scam.. the diseased source of socialism...


Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx

to wit;—>>

We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.~Winston Churchill (1874-1965)


10 posted on 10/16/2012 2:22:39 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; All
Allow me to say this quite succinctly:

The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has elected to become a "truth-hedger"
-- compromising Biblical and social reality
-- in favor of wielding the sanctioning of ALL of the cults (not just Mormonism)...
...all for the sake of political expediency.

11 posted on 10/16/2012 2:23:38 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: driftdiver

There would be nothing wrong with Billy saying he and Mormons agree to disagree about deep issues of theology. That’s obvious. It’s the relatively modern term “cult” that is the flash point. But to many this concession will make the BGEA look weak. Keeping track of “cults” is a Baptist thing and, God bless the Baptists (I visit one of their churches now, and it is wonderful), they could sometimes use discretion in how they formulate their battles. Not implicitly tagging certain groups of unbelievers as worse avoids having to correct that impression later.


12 posted on 10/16/2012 2:23:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Colofornian
Wondered when you'd show up.

No takers for your THREE MINUTES HATE today, or just a need to dump a little more bile ?

13 posted on 10/16/2012 2:25:58 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Perhaps the word is modern, but cults have been around forever. Just identifying them in a different way is still appropriate. There are distinct attributes of cults, versus, say, just an unbeliever who isn’t involved with any particular groups at all.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 2:28:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: jimt

(Thanks for the “hateful” comment...it looks like you only took 90 seconds to post...better double it)


15 posted on 10/16/2012 2:29:25 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: riri

The answer is the indians were never friends with each other to begin with. Tribes were/are historically long-term enemies with each other. this whole idea that they all got along swell and wonderfully until white guys got here (actually came back, dna evidence shows we were here before the asians came over the aleutian bridge), is just bull puckey.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 2:31:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: driftdiver; All
From the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association: “We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign.”

What a lame of lamest compromising cop-outs.

And for the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association's "next" trick, they will:

(a) Remove all statements promoting one-man, one-woman marriage because they don't want to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized not only during this campaign but 24/7 by homosexual activists...iow...they will remove such statements in perpetuity.

(b) Remove all statements linked to Biblical gender distinctiveness, because they don't want to participate in theological debates about something that has become politicized by Democrats (especially feminists and gender-benders)

17 posted on 10/16/2012 2:36:37 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I’ve been woondering what the name Colofornian reminded me of, and just now it dawned:

20 years ago there was a particularly unsavory individual out of Chicago who went by the name “Colostomy Bagboy”.

No relation to you, I’m sure. His surname was Paris.


18 posted on 10/16/2012 2:39:01 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Secret Agent Man

The bible already has a perfectly good word for derived, surface imitations of Christianity that differ deeply enough to matter but are similar enough to be dangerous temptations: heretic.

The official LDS, and Christian Science would qualify. Shinto and Hindu congregations would not.

Scientology would be a wrong religion that would qualify by most modern definitions as a cult, but NOT as heretic. It was never meant to be fake Christianity.


19 posted on 10/16/2012 2:39:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: jimt

Colofornian had a very hard time in Mormon circles. I’d be disgusted too if I’d had the same experience.


20 posted on 10/16/2012 2:40:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Actuall, Sciientology was a bet between John Campbell and L- Ron Hubbard, Hubbard betting that he could turn one of his stories into a religion and make the loons follow it.


21 posted on 10/16/2012 2:42:24 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Hardraade
Well, this shows your intellectual level as still stuck at "ad hominem" primary level.

If you're going to continue in this vein, let me know when it's time for your graham crackers and milk "rest" break.

22 posted on 10/16/2012 2:46:48 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Pathetic. Collaborating with the enemies of Christian faith, no matter how well intended, can lead to no good.


23 posted on 10/16/2012 2:47:18 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Hardraade

That’s what I commonly hear and I’ve heard no reason to disbelieve it. What Scientology would be a “heresy” against is another question. The idea of religion and valid scientific inquiry, as known by man, in general? It has more in common with the Hindu idea of purification through works during reincarnations (they call it getting “clear”) than with the savior-based philosophy of Christianity.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 2:47:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Colofornian; Hardraade

it’s a portmanteau of colorado and californian. next stupid remark, ‘raade?


25 posted on 10/16/2012 2:48:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Springfield Reformer

And I assume you never consented to be an employee of a nonbeliever?


26 posted on 10/16/2012 2:50:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: riri

It’s called multi-tasking.


27 posted on 10/16/2012 2:51:08 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian

I have to agree with you here. I’ve always had great respect for the Reverend Billy and Franklin Graham, but I’m saddened by the apparent capitulation for, as you say, political expediency.

Either something is true or it isn’t. Duty to the Gospel first; let God worry about the consequences.


28 posted on 10/16/2012 2:53:23 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: jimt

Post 13, you win - first reference of hate, even though there has been none.


29 posted on 10/16/2012 2:53:31 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

All said, it would have been better to let the page stay, but to add an explanatory note or link to an explanation why Billy has befriended Mitt. And if Mitt got browned off about that, then so be it. There are certain things that can’t be denied.


30 posted on 10/16/2012 2:55:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Hardraade
What a thoughtful and informative reply, you really added to the conversation.
barf

31 posted on 10/16/2012 2:56:11 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
Well, putting a strawman up about someone

If you were of a given religion; and if the religion of that candidate specifically condemned you and your religion -- as the Mormon church has done of Christian sects -- would you find that "inspirational" to say "amen" by voting for that representative Mormon candidate?

doesn't usually mean "love." Where did any BGEA representative ever make a claim to find a difficult choice "inspirational"? That's sticking words in their mouth. To put it bluntly it's lying about them.

32 posted on 10/16/2012 2:59:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: svcw
Expected, faith means nothing anymore, even to the faithful...

Americans have watered down Christianity to a cruel joke...

33 posted on 10/16/2012 3:04:09 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Judaism became the same sort of cruel joke, over and over, before gospel times. Nothing’s new under the sun.


34 posted on 10/16/2012 3:08:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Clint N. Suhks

They shouldn’t have done that. This was an Evangelical website and fully entitled to make its judgments on other groups that are, essentially, after the same pool of people.

The website did not urge that Mormons be hunted down and killed, but simply advised that they do not have what could be referred to as a biblical faith, since essentially they do not believe in the Trinity and do not believe that Jesus was the Son of God. I know a lot of Mormons would like to skip over that inconvenient fact and somehow be considered Evangelicals, but they’re not. If they want their “presiding bishop” to have a vision where he decides they are to accept the Trinitarian, biblical faith, that’s fine, and they can then be considered regular Christians. But until that time, they’re not.

I think it’s unfortunate that politics got into this. I’m not happy about voting for a Mormon, but I will do so because there’s really no alternative. Besides, we already have a non-Christian in the White House, and at least Romney doesn’t have any allegiance to a religion that is entirely foreign and hostile to Christian values. Mormonism has problems of its own that its members will have to deal with, but even if Romney gets elected, these problems are not going to affect the rest of us.


35 posted on 10/16/2012 3:11:02 PM PDT by livius
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To: Springfield Reformer
It is what it is in modern American Christianity. First we went “Kymbaya” all paths are equal so we would not offend. We now see liberals using Jesus to promote “social welfare” of the state. Now of course we can no longer call out a cult because it is not prudent.

Given how many approach faith now days at some point there will be pragmatic Christians declaring themselves Atheist if it serves their earthly goals...

American Christianity is what is truly written on an Etch-A-Sketch...

36 posted on 10/16/2012 3:13:18 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Amazing, yet there is always a core of the faithful pointing out the obvious whilst being drowned out by the popular..


37 posted on 10/16/2012 3:15:04 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Colofornian
Trying to decipher your reply to me.
The person I responded to was the first person to bring up hate, which is all I said.
So are you saying I put words in their mouth?
Or that they put words in someone else mouth?
Or do you find objectionable the part of your post in italics (not my words)?
I did go back and read the reply that the quote you put in italics, and it was the poster who said that and I see no reference to BG.
And the quote in italics is a valid question/comment.

(Colofornian ping) because I mentioned your reply)

38 posted on 10/16/2012 3:16:33 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

Look who is wearing the shoe and who is not then decide like an adult.


39 posted on 10/16/2012 3:18:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: svcw
"Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others," the site continued.

Could also add Liberalism and Islam to that list as well.

No longer. On Tuesday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association confirmed that page has recently been removed from the site.

That's not going to win any points in heaven. Yikes, I'm voting for Romney but lets not kid ourselves as to who he is and what he worships. It just that Obama is just so bad for America that a pile of horse manure would be a better president than Hussein.

40 posted on 10/16/2012 3:22:19 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ok, I give - shoes?
Pretty sure you maybe trying to be cryptic, could you try and be more direct next time?


41 posted on 10/16/2012 3:23:45 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ejonesie22

Brilliant


42 posted on 10/16/2012 3:26:05 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: driftdiver
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Yep ...

"Makes Good Sense ..."


I can just imagine Moses, Joshua, Eijah, John the Baptist ...

and Jesus Christ Himself ...

"softening" their criticisms of the "spiritual blasphemys" of their own day ...

just to not offend the pagan Eqyptians, Amelekites and Romans ...




Like I stated the other day ...

As much as I respect him ... Rev.Billy Grahamn "sold-out" when he gave Myth Romney his quasi-endorsement ...

Just wondering ... with all due respect (of course) ...

exactly what Myth offered as his "thirty pieces of silver" ?




You know, it says in the Scriptures that, except with the Holy Spirit's help ...

"even the very elect would be decieved by the anti-christ ..."



I've now ... for the first time in my life ... seen that actually happen ...

with Billy Grahmn's endorsement of "Myth Romney" ...




"Myth Romney" the self-proclaimed Celestial God-Child from the "Severely Conservative" MORMON planet Kolob ... located in the Constellation Cancer ...

"Myth Romney" who worships (as a god) the same Joseph Smith who called himself the "Second Mohammed" ...

whose proclaimed goal was the VIOLENT destruction of the American Christian church ...

and the OVERTHROW of the U.S. Constitutional Republic ...

with a MORMON THEOCRACY ...




Has Rev. Billy Grahamn just effectively ended his "spiritual career" in the same SHAMEFUL manner as Penn State football coach Joe Paterno ?


I say "yes" ...



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43 posted on 10/16/2012 3:37:03 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

That meeting must have gone pretty well.

I suspect the Hobbitses of the Shire will also align themselves against Mordor.


44 posted on 10/16/2012 3:38:38 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Harsh, which doesn’t make it incorrect.


45 posted on 10/16/2012 3:42:57 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign."

Some thinks this makes good sense.

I wonder...


The Book seems to indicate something else.
 
 
Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
1 Timothy 1:7
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
1 Timothy 4:6
If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 

 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 2:15-17
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
 
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 
2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



46 posted on 10/16/2012 3:54:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: riri
Let's just defeat the communists first.

Worried more about FREEDOM than SALVATION?

47 posted on 10/16/2012 3:55:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
True but my point is identify who is the biggest threat to you collectively and unite to defeat that threat.

Or at least stop weakening yourselves in the process of trying to defeat that threat.

In my mind, there is no bigger threat than the communists.

48 posted on 10/16/2012 3:56:06 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
They didn’t bother to tag nonbelievers’ or heretics’ religious organizations with a special name.

Only FALSE TEACHERs or hypocritical liars!

49 posted on 10/16/2012 3:57:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
But WAIT!!

There's MORE!!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

50 posted on 10/16/2012 3:58:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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