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Romney Won, But the Dems need to know it! vanity
17 Oct 2012 | RobertHartwood

Posted on 10/16/2012 10:23:12 PM PDT by RobertHartwood

Romney won, but we need to help the dems know that. Most dems make decisions upon social comparison. they feel their way through life without ever really thinking. As such, when the 'feel' others will vote Romeny, they will too. The MSNBC propaganda team has a vote up now. Let's all vote there and make Romney win!

Since MSNBC is watched by so few people, a few thousand votes will do the trick. Go to: http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/10/16/poll-who-won-tonights-debate/

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KEYWORDS: debateromeny; vanity
Romney won, but we need to help the dems know that. Most dems make decisions upon social comparison. they feel their way through life without ever really thinking. As such, when the 'feel' others will vote Romeny, they will too. The MSNBC propaganda team has a vote up now. Let's all vote there and make Romney win!

Since MSNBC is watched by so few people, a few thousand votes will do the trick. Go to: http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/10/16/poll-who-won-tonights-debate/

F5 to reload.

1 posted on 10/16/2012 10:23:19 PM PDT by RobertHartwood
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To: RobertHartwood

Dems will vote for Obama no matter what..the undecided voters are the ones who voted for Obama in 2008 but are now sick of him and basically want permission to abandon him and vote for Romney..thats all that’s left..and they are breaking more and more for Romney each day..MSDNC is nothing more than the Code Pink, far left socialist network..no one watches that channel and would vote Republican


2 posted on 10/16/2012 10:26:04 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: RobertHartwood

Crowley gave questions to _resident.

That is the only reason he did not stutter. He only hesitated on follow ups.


3 posted on 10/16/2012 10:30:38 PM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: RobertHartwood

Crowley gave questions to _resident.

That is the only reason he did not stutter. He only hesitated on follow ups.


4 posted on 10/16/2012 10:30:38 PM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: RobertHartwood

why is this “breaking news”? Bob?


5 posted on 10/16/2012 10:33:32 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: RobertHartwood
1) "Romeny" 2) Unlabeled vanity 3) posted in breaking news. Newbie first post error trifecta!
6 posted on 10/16/2012 10:33:52 PM PDT by verum ago (Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: RobertHartwood

I voted like a cemetary in detroit voting for a democrat mayor.....


7 posted on 10/16/2012 10:36:16 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: RobertHartwood

“Since MSNBC is watched by so few people, a few thousand votes will do the trick....”

I like how you think!


8 posted on 10/16/2012 10:39:29 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: RobertHartwood

Hey is it just me or does 0bama look like a dead ringer for Mussolini?


9 posted on 10/16/2012 10:41:37 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Dryman

Bingo!


10 posted on 10/16/2012 10:43:28 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

No, as the Italian Prime Minister Berlesconi would put it “Obama has a tan”.


11 posted on 10/16/2012 10:44:36 PM PDT by what's up
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

“Hey is it just me or does 0bama look like a dead ringer for Mussolini?”

I said that months ago on a FR thread, when I first saw a pic on that thread of Obama w/his chin thrust forward. It immediately shouted out “Mussolini”. So you’ve got it absolutely right, and Barack acts just like Mussolini also.


12 posted on 10/16/2012 10:47:49 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Jyotishi

Undecided Voters? In this economy?

Unbiased moderator shutting off only conservative candidate? Supposed correction to same candidate?

It is intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers, the _resident was coached with these questions.


13 posted on 10/16/2012 10:52:27 PM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Obama needs to do one thing in order to have a chance at winning this election. With Republican turnout probably going to be very high, and with independents favoring Romney by at least 10 points, Obama cannot win by default. He cannot win by tearing down Romney, because Romney is neither beating himself, nor is he vulnerable to negative attacks.

Obama needs to give undecided voters (those who aren’t necessarily going to vote, and those who are still sway-able) a reason to give him a second chance. That should be his only goal in these debates. And this is why he lost this debate as badly as he lost the first — he did nothing to convince these voters that he deserved that second chance.

All of the other stuff (mistakes, point by point analysis, etc.) may seem important now, but ultimately won’t make a difference. What matters is the impression that the debate leaves on voters. And he still comes across as an out-of-his-depth, thin-skinned person who thinks he can talk his way out of any problem.

By contrast, Romney had already established himself as a non-Ogre, non-used care salesman (no offense intended), charismatic, sharp, and fatherly figure who is also presidential (thanks to the first debate). In this debate, he solidified that image, and also established himself as an alpha male — a person who takes charge, and who inspires confidence because he knows what he is doing. The democrats may not know it yet, but they should be panicking.

IMO, Obama’s handlers made a huge mistake in listening to the MSNBC crowd. Going negative was never going to work. Even if Obama could pull it off well (which he can’t), Romney doesn’t get damaged nearly enough for it to be effective. They should have used his greatest skill — his ability to inspire (I don’t see it, but it is there, apparently), and positioned Obama as above the fray. This would have been difficult, but he is in a difficult situation anyway. It would have at least given him an outside chance of giving the uncommitted a reason to put the record of the last 4 years aside, and give Obama a second chance.

He only has one more opportunity to make that sale, and it is now going to be even harder. And even if he does that, it may not even make enough of a difference.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 10:53:06 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: RobertHartwood

I actually thought that the punk POTUS edged Romney on this one. But the margin of victory did not nearly help after his helpless perfomance in Denver.


15 posted on 10/16/2012 10:57:08 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Dryman

Yep.... Cowley clearly deserves an assist this event.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 10:58:25 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: jjsheridan5

> Obama needs to do one thing in order to have a chance at winning this election....

Why offer advice to Hussein — on FR of all places? Just curious.


17 posted on 10/16/2012 11:02:41 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi
Why offer advice to Hussein — on FR of all places? Just curious.

Because it doesn't make any difference, whatsoever. For one thing, the notion that they would look on a forum and follow some random person's advice is paranoid. Second, they would never do it, anyway. These are egotistical people with agendas, and they have a passionate hatred of conservatism. They will go negative, because it is who they are. Third, it is too late, at least in any practical sense. Obama cannot meaningfully alter his image at this point. This was his last chance (outside of the "anything can happen" caveat) Fourth, they are going to follow the conventional wisdom that he did "better". Even a consultant in their camp would have no chance of denting that illusion.

If anyone is going to rise above the fray in the next debate, it will be Romney. He has at various times been quite statesman-like (much to my surprise). It is the next logical step, and there is nothing that Obama can do to stop it. He will look like either an irrelevant petulant schoolboy, or a wanna-be pretender, if he went negative, or above-the-fray, respectively.

This is now Romney's race to lose. The only way he loses it is if the Republican turnout is low, for some reason. Obama's chance to alter the dynamic has come and gone. (Barring some kind of dead girl/live boy revelation).

In light of that, the most important thing now is to remain confident, and to not lose sight of the forest for the trees.
18 posted on 10/16/2012 11:29:02 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: RobertHartwood

Frank Luntz focus group of mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney

Video Pt. 1 Here

Video Pt. 2 Here

"A Frank Luntz focus group made up mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney."

"Forceful, compassionate, presidential," one participant said.
"Confident and realistic," said another.
"Presidential," another told Luntz.
"Enthusiastic," another reacted.
"Our next president," one man said.
"Dynamo, winner," said one more.

"He's lied about everything. He lied to get elected in 2008, that's why I voted for him.
I bought his bull. And he's lied about everything, he hasn't come through on anything.
And he's been bullsh***ing the public," one member of the focus group said."


19 posted on 10/17/2012 1:00:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: RobertHartwood
The MSNBC propaganda team has a vote up now. Let's all vote there and make Romney win!
Since MSNBC is watched by so few people, a few thousand votes will do the trick.
Go to: http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/10/16/poll-who-won-tonights-debate/
F5 to reload.

It only counts your vote one time.


20 posted on 10/17/2012 1:04:40 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: jjsheridan5

Nice analysis. That was the impression I had also, that there is a substantial bloc of voters that’s only “awaiting permission” to support Romney.

As an aside, Ross Perot endorsed Romney today. I think that gives these voters a bit of that permission, don’t you?


21 posted on 10/17/2012 1:15:19 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Absolutely. He is sort of the independent’s independent. I knew plenty of people who wouldn’t be caught dead voting Republican, but supported Perot openly and proudly. He has been the only candidate that I can remember that people could support, without worrying at all about what others might think. By endorsing Romney, he makes it that much easier for Democrats and independents who are concerned about the country, but highly suspicious of Republicans in general, to cross that line.

Romney has really done a very good job (and I was pretty firmly in the anyone but Mitt camp). I have a sneaking suspicion that in the next debate, he is going to be spending a lot more time talking directly to the American people, and (not dis-respectively) only engaging Obama when necessary. Essentially, saying with his actions and his demeanor: “this is my stage now, I am going to tell the American people what they can expect over the next 4 years (and, oh, President Obama, I didn’t realize you were still here ...)”. I have seen enough to be confident that he could pull this off effectively.

Looking at the focus groups, interviews, and so on, I am getting the distinct impression that people have started to tune Obama out. It isn’t over, but over is visible from here.


22 posted on 10/17/2012 2:33:03 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Dryman

Unbiased moderator shutting off only conservative candidate?

Who was the conservative candidate? I didn’t see one.


23 posted on 10/17/2012 4:13:58 AM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: napscoordinator
My coworker like Clint Eastwood said is "LEFT OF LENIN"

He is convinced that Obama won, heck he thought Obama won the 1st debate. So really IMHO the only people falling for Obama this time around are his base. The moderates and independents are running as fast as they can away from him.

The election will be called before the polls close on the left coast. I am smelling 1980-1984 style drubbing here.

24 posted on 10/17/2012 6:14:10 AM PDT by TheShaz
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To: jjsheridan5; Sarah Barracuda

I think you both make great points, and I agree. The bias on display by the “moderators” in these debates is so obvious to anyone but the most pro-Obama types already; any truly independent thinker is finding all of this tiresome, juvenile and insulting to his/her intelligence. Crowley’s stunt last night WILL backfire and it’s going to show up in the polls very soon. One can only imagine what Shieffer will try next week.

And jj, I think you were being facetious, but I won’t be a bit surprised if we start hearing about some sort of “indiscretions” on Romney’s part before the end of next week. Girl, boy, apple pie... who knows what they’ll come up with?


25 posted on 10/17/2012 6:29:42 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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