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Police: We donít expect election day riots
The Hill ^ | 10/17/12 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:07 AM PDT by markomalley

Police departments around the nation are not anticipating civil unrest on Election Day despite arguments between liberals and conservatives over whether President Obama’s defeat could spark riots.

In 2008, police departments in Oakland, Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia revealed they were taking special precautions in case public reaction to the election spiraled out of control.

Tensions were running high four years ago after the disputed results of the 2000 presidential election and long lines at polling places in poor urban areas in 2004.

James Carville said a month before Obama’s historic victory in 2008 that “it would be very, very, very dramatic out there” if Obama lost, a statement that some commentators interpreted as predicting riots.

Police departments appear much less concerned about this year’s election.

Spokesmen for the Detroit and Philadelphia police departments said no special measures would be deployed for Election Night.

“We’re not anticipating civil unrest on Election Night,” said a spokesman for the Detroit police department who did not give his name. “We’re going to collect the ballots like we usually do. If a situation arises and we need to respond, we’ll respond to the scene and assess.”

In 2008, James Tate, then the second deputy chief of the department, told The Hill that extra manpower would be assigned on Election Night and noted that police had to control rioters who vandalized cars after the Tigers won the 1984 World Series.

Spokesmen for police departments in Philadelphia, Baltimore, Cleveland, Columbus, Miami, Houston and Los Angeles likewise said they were not aware of any special preparations for civil unrest.

Civil rights leaders say they are concerned about disputes over who is allowed to vote and warn there could be a loud public response if poor and minority voters feel they are being disenfranchised.

“I think there are some people that are deeply concerned that we may have something more akin to the shenanigans we experienced in 2000,” said Hilary Shelton, Washington bureau director of the NAACP.

But they do not anticipate rioting.

“I think you could see people demonstrating and raising concerns, as we do in our democratic process when something doesn’t go right, when we feel we’re being short[changed] or otherwise cheated,” Shelton said. “I think we’ve seen these things happen in very nonviolent ways. If your question is about moral outrage, I think there would be a demonstration of moral outrage if we experience anything like the shenanigans of 2000.”

Tensions have mounted between conservative-leaning groups on the lookout for voter fraud and liberal-leaning civil rights groups concerned that citizens could be unfairly turned away or intimidated.

“There is a concern that if left unchecked, some of these practices could result in thousands of votes being denied or not counted,” said Wade Henderson, president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights.

Henderson and allied advocates are concerned about poorly trained poll workers who mistakenly turn away voters for not having photo identification in precincts where they are not required by law; they are worried about third-party challengers who arbitrarily question the rights of Latino and African-American citizens.

Henderson said True the Vote, a voter-fraud group that grew out of the Tea Party movement, “have in effect said they’re going to target certain states and precincts with the sole purpose of intimidating voters who might otherwise cast votes unfettered.”

But Henderson said he would not “venture down that path” when asked whether civil unrest or riots could break out if there was a widespread perception that the election was stolen.

“The American people are more thoughtful than these I think somewhat specious predictions of disruption would seem to suggest,” he said. “This is not the 2008 election; an African-American is currently the president. I think people expect that when citizens cast their vote, those votes will be counted fairly.”

Even so, the Leadership Conference and other groups have requested that a European-based international group send monitors to oversee the U.S. election next month.

Civil rights groups met with representatives from the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe on Tuesday to discuss the monitoring of those states that have witnessed fierce disputes over election law.

Data released Tuesday by Public Policy Polling showed a majority of Republicans and Democrats in several swing states believe the other party will engage in fraud.

In Ohio, 62 percent of Republicans think Democrats will use fraudulent tactics to ensure Obama’s reelection, while 50 percent of Democrats thought Republicans would resort to voter fraud.

In Florida, 60 percent of Republicans and 55 percent of Democrats suspected the opposing party of illicit manipulation, while in North Carolina, 69 percent of Republicans and 51 percent of Democrats expected fraud.

“If it’s a close election, it’s safe to say it’s going to get ugly,” Public Policy Polling stated in a memo accompanying the surveys.

Speculation about civil unrest and possible rioting following the election is a sensitive and charged topic that has sparked accusations on both sides.

The liberal website ThinkProgress.org on Wednesday accused the conservative-leaning website Infowars.com of fanning fears of riots in minority communities if Obama loses.

“The Drudge Report, Mitt Romney’s favorite website, is stirring up another race-baiting conspiracy theory,” ThinkProgress.org wrote after the Drudge Report linked to an Infowars article that reported, “Obama supporters continue to threaten to riot if Mitt Romney wins the presidential election, raising the prospect of civil unrest if Obama fails to secure a second term.”

Conservative author Ann Coulter said in a recent interview with Fox’s Sean Hannity that liberals are themselves spreading panic about post-election riots.

“The threats to riot and the claim that abortion will somehow miraculously be illegal in places like California and New York is not going to swing the undecided voters here, Sean,” Coulter said, “though I will note that white liberals are always threatening black riots whenever they’re about to lose an election. Al Gore did it in 2000.”


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Gee, I feel far more comfortable now. Glad to see they've gone on record.
1 posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:11 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Nope, it won’t be election day violence. Nothing more than an extremely coincident series of non-hate crimes...a fluke, nothing to do with the election.

You can bet the police are now trying to figure out where they don’t want to be election night. Meanwhile “ima kill whitey” twits (tweets?) are spreading like wildfire.


2 posted on 10/17/2012 4:40:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: markomalley

Either way. I’m ready. Lock and Load. MOLON LABE!


3 posted on 10/17/2012 4:41:32 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: markomalley
"Nobody expects....."

They forgot the photo.

4 posted on 10/17/2012 4:42:28 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (People on stage at 2nd debate: 1 Romney 2 Eye Candy 3 Lie Candy)
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To: markomalley

And America’s
Peaceful Transfer of Power
Goes under the bus.


5 posted on 10/17/2012 4:43:14 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: markomalley
What a load of malarkey ...

It will be the next day.

6 posted on 10/17/2012 4:46:15 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

‘ZACTLY!!!


7 posted on 10/17/2012 4:52:51 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: markomalley
Call it a hunch, but I suspect that "Holder's people" aren't going to give a tinker's damn about what some 'police spokesman' has to say about anything.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

8 posted on 10/17/2012 4:56:48 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: markomalley

I expected problems in Charlotte. The riots did not happen.

Perhaps the masses have already discounted and accepted the probability of an Obama loss. Perhaps there is no desire to continue to support the Messiah


9 posted on 10/17/2012 5:05:20 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: markomalley

Let’s talk it up...maybe we’ll reach some idiots who will get some ideas.

“’We’re not anticipating civil unrest on Election Night,’ said a spokesman for the Detroit police department who did not give his name. ‘We’re going to collect the ballots like we usually do. If a situation arises and we need to respond, we’ll respond to the scene and assess.’”

I thought at first he said “asses,” which would be more realistic in their situation if there is rioting.


10 posted on 10/17/2012 5:05:56 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: markomalley

A quote from Communist Insurgency 101: “Do not start a race war if you are the minority population, as things could go very, very bad for you.”


11 posted on 10/17/2012 5:06:20 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Gaffer

I don’t think anything is going to happen when Obama loses, but, that said, I happened to dip into the general twitter feed last night during the debates and I was stunned to see the amount of violent thug talk going on.

Has every ghetto rat in the world learned to tweet on their Obama phone? It was bizarre. They can’t seem to do anything else, but they’ve sure mastered social media ( if you call spewing strangely spelled obscenities and threats “mastering”, I guess).


12 posted on 10/17/2012 5:16:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: markomalley

““We’re not anticipating civil unrest on Election Night,” said a spokesman for the Detroit police department who did not give his name”

Because it’ll be business-as-usual for the usual suspects who can’t afford to quit their day jobs as murderers, drug pushers, rapists, carjackers, home invaders, bank robbers, illegal gun dealers and addicts. No reason to expect anything out of the ordinary...


13 posted on 10/17/2012 5:23:27 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: livius

I’m with you on the twitter thing. The language is horrible and the threats of harm towards Romney are not funny at all. Why do people turn on their “smart” phone and end up being total jerks? Who teaches that language to people???


14 posted on 10/17/2012 5:24:52 AM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: Joe Brower
Spot on about Eric Holder's People. I doubt that there will be general unrest, but certain urban areas will experience "events" the night of the 6th and continung into the 7th no matter what the election outcome is.

But if we have a repeat of Bush vs. Gore with the final result delayed for days or weeks then all bets are off. We should all be prepared for it, just in case.

15 posted on 10/17/2012 5:37:17 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: markomalley

I expect riots to begin late Tuesday night and to fully explode when and if the Kenyan concedes or the election is called for Romney. I live so far off the grid only a few urban rats could find my home and they’ll be so riddled with my neighbors’ .308 and 00 shot by the time they get to my house I expect to be giving then first aid, purely as an act of kindness.

My daughters however live in Manhattan, Hartford and New Haven. I’ve invited them to stay the night here. I expect real trouble that will continue past the inauguration. Of course if Romney loses, no riots.

Just yet...


16 posted on 10/17/2012 5:47:26 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: knarf

my thoughts exactly.....it will be the day/days following the election. takes awhile for stuff to sink in....


17 posted on 10/17/2012 5:51:05 AM PDT by BizzeeMom (lifelong Missourian. pro-life, homeschooling, 2nd amendment loving Mom and Grammy.)
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To: knarf
What a load of malarkey ... It will be the next day.

Exactly. There will be no clear winner until after midnight, at least on the east coast.

18 posted on 10/17/2012 5:53:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: markomalley

Maybe not election day, but the day after. And it will be looting more than rioting. Always is.


19 posted on 10/17/2012 5:56:48 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: markomalley

“Spokesmen for the Detroit and Philadelphia police departments said no special measures would be deployed for Election Night.”

I wonder if the hard-working, tax-paying citizens of Detroit and Philadelphia who pay the police departments salaries have been told they are expendable?


20 posted on 10/17/2012 6:10:17 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: markomalley

I think there will be riots in some cities either way the election goes. Some in our society are just waiting for ANY excuse to riot and loot.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 6:28:16 AM PDT by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: markomalley
Yeah baby, color ME reassured !


22 posted on 10/17/2012 6:36:06 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: livius

no riots

just more festering anger and random violent outbreaks so thank the Great Uniter ODrama for that.


23 posted on 10/17/2012 6:36:19 AM PDT by Gasshog
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To: A. Patriot

“Some in our society are just waiting for ANY excuse to riot and loot.”

From what I have seen, rioting for many is less the exercise of free speech than it is a shopping trip. So I would be on guard.


24 posted on 10/17/2012 6:36:46 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Gasshog

Think about it - they only have a few more months of Holder as AG if 0bama loses.

Holder as AG = no black on white crime prosecutions.


25 posted on 10/17/2012 6:39:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: swpa_mom
Who teaches that language to people???

Rappers, that's who.

26 posted on 10/17/2012 7:11:42 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Vaquero

I live in the western suburbs of Chicago, but I commute into the city for work every day. Needless to say, I won’t be coming in to the city the day after the election.


27 posted on 10/17/2012 7:17:04 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: bert

Expected riots that did not happen? For what? Just curious.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 7:52:01 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: markomalley

Well, I for one am certainly relieved. The worst we can expect is “shenanigans”. Hillary Shelton, Washington bureau director of the NAACP, said it twice in the article.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 8:01:17 AM PDT by shove_it (DNC = perpetual emotion machine)
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To: HollyB

My expectations were based on the ‘68 convention and the general unrest I perceived in Rat land

I misjudged the crowd. In retrospect, the OWS gatherings took the steam out of the unrest before the convention


30 posted on 10/17/2012 8:21:47 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: markomalley

Riiiight. And I’m sure police expected no riots after the Rodney King verdict.

Honestly, considering what blacks have rioted over in the past, I think it’s foolish to believe dear leader losing re-election will just pass by without a stir.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 8:25:49 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: markomalley

Funny how they mention True the Vote by name they must be doing something right. Having been to their trainings here in Houston it sure is scarry to have blue haired ladies watches election clerks to make sure they are not cheating.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 8:34:08 AM PDT by WilliamRobert (Obama lied, people died)
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To: markomalley

Election NIGHT and the days after——


33 posted on 10/17/2012 10:31:22 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: A. Patriot

Oakland is a good example.


34 posted on 10/17/2012 10:34:56 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: markomalley

They should start scanning Youtube now for the Offensive Video that caused the riot.

TT


35 posted on 10/17/2012 10:50:07 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: swpa_mom
Hardcore socialists, marxists, communists, revolutionaries, anarchists, you know, the common variety of garbage that you can find in any trash can...how they do like to twitter. Bam! Pow! Knock em’ out if they try anything...as for the ghetto rats, they thrive on acting out....bring it on, rats, and feel our wrath in return..or if it is just a matter of their burning down their neighborhoods, protect the innocent first, and then let the rats torch the ‘hoods.”
36 posted on 10/17/2012 11:13:37 AM PDT by itssme
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To: knarf

What are they talking about? Some people need new TVs and sneakers, you know. Any excuse to go shopping!


37 posted on 10/17/2012 11:33:22 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: tomkat

Yeah, me too.
I am considering taking a day off on Wednesday and possibly the rest of the week depending on what happens. My preference is not to be downtown when the SHTF.


38 posted on 10/17/2012 11:42:20 AM PDT by iceskater (The clock is ticking....November's coming.)
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To: Mygirlsmom

It’s not the comfy chair we have watch out for, there, Biggles. ; )~


39 posted on 10/17/2012 11:57:36 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: markomalley

This is ironic. The Detroit Police Department won’t hire extra police if obama loses. Why? They can’t afford to. Detroit is bankrupt because of obama’s economy.


40 posted on 10/17/2012 1:03:14 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: iceskater
That sounds like a wise plan .. even if things stay calm, a nice 5 day vacation surely wouldn't go amiss !

(more range time  ;-)

41 posted on 10/17/2012 1:13:46 PM PDT by tomkat
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