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Romney won the second debate
FoxNews.com ^ | 10/17 | Dick Morris

Posted on 10/17/2012 8:12:08 AM PDT by tatown

By scoring big on the economy, gas prices, and Libya, Romney continued his victorious string of debate wins. He looked more presidential than Obama did and showed himself to be an articulate, capable, attractive, compassionate leader with sound ideas.

Obama came over as boorish and Biden-esque. He did not learn from his Vice President's mistakes. When a president gets into a bar room brawl, he loses his dignity and his aura, key assets for an incumbent. Romney was polite but firm. Obama seemed quarrelsome, frustrated, nasty, and cranky.

But the key reason for the Romney win was substantive:

1. Romney made very clear the case against Obama's economic record and Obama's rebuttal about 5 million jobs was pathetic.

2. Romney injected the China issue, big time, and tapped into a strong public sentiment on the issue.

3. Romney made the effective case that Obama is anti-oi, coal, and gas and that this has doubled gas prices.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; debate; dickmorris; morris; obama; romney
The key line:

"But this debate goes to Romney. It seals his momentum and will lead to a big win."

1 posted on 10/17/2012 8:12:12 AM PDT by tatown
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To: tatown

I normally cringe when Morris makes bold statements during a critical election, and I expect to learn he got it wrong sometime later.

However, this is right in line with my take and I have to agree.


2 posted on 10/17/2012 8:20:12 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: tatown

But, Obama said that gas prices were so low early in his administration because the economy was tanking at that time. Aren’t you all persuaded that gas prices have more than doubled during the last four years, because Obama’s economic policies have helped the economy???


3 posted on 10/17/2012 8:20:12 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: tatown
Factually speaking, Romney won.

But in todays society...Your average swing-voter could easily view Obama's aggression and rudeness as strength. In a day and age when so few people have dignity, they neither seek nor recognize it in a leader.

But I am hopeful that the crow's obscenely obvious bias won Mitt some sympathy. And at the end of the day, no matter what Obama says, people are still paying 70 bucks to gas up and people are still unemployed. Obama can't change that no matter how much he promises.

You can't pay for gas when all you've got is 'hope' and a fistful of loose change. You can't put 'hope' on the dinner table -- As Ben Franklin said, "He who lives upon hope dies farting."

4 posted on 10/17/2012 8:21:22 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: tatown

I couldn’t agree more if I tried.

Certainly he could have pressed a few points harder than he did, nonetheless he established President Bullsh1t as the liar and coward that he is.


5 posted on 10/17/2012 8:21:44 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

He basically said that the only way we will ever see low gas prices again will be during a depression.

Romney needs to nail him on that in an ad.


6 posted on 10/17/2012 8:21:53 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: tatown

This was a debate where each side thinks their guy won. The critical factor, IMO, were “undecided” voters. Obama needed to explain why another four years under him would be any different than the last four years. I don’t see how he did that. I therefore expect the undecideds to break heavily for the challenger, as they usually do.


7 posted on 10/17/2012 8:25:11 AM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“As Ben Franklin said, “He who lives upon hope dies farting.”


LOL-LOL....I don’t think you could have found a better way to end that post.


8 posted on 10/17/2012 8:25:32 AM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: tatown

On this, Dick Morris is correct.

Romney won.


9 posted on 10/17/2012 8:27:45 AM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: tatown
Obama had no choice. It would have been career suicide to tout his true record. His handlers correctly coached him to go for the ‘You Lie’ approach as the ONLY option open to him, and Biden for that matter, as any other form of debating would have exposed his failed policies to broad daylight. The truth is like Holy Water to him and his ilk.
10 posted on 10/17/2012 8:30:42 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: tatown

Obama had no choice. It would have been career suicide to tout his true record. His handlers correctly coached him to go for the ‘You Lie’ approach as the ONLY option open to him, and Biden for that matter, as any other form of debating would have exposed his failed policies to broad daylight. The truth to him and his ilk is like Holy Water to a vampire .


11 posted on 10/17/2012 8:31:55 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
But in todays society...Your average swing-voter could easily view Obama's aggression and rudeness as strength

Perhaps.

But the majority of both TV focus groups of "undecided voters" (FoxNews and MSNBC) are now leaning for Romney.

It's heartening to know that even the undecideds can recognize pomp and bluster for what it is.

12 posted on 10/17/2012 8:31:56 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: tatown

Throughout and after the debate I had the strong sense that Romney won, and especially won on the issues that matter. But the damn pundits at Fox spun it the opposite direction towards Obama, and it made no sense to me. Only a tweeting Laura Ingraham had it correct and she was fighting tooth and nail on Twitter throughout the night making the same points Dick Morris is making today. It was hard to fall asleep with that disconnect in my mind, and I’m glad the dust is settling today with Romney looking, appropriately, like the man who came out on top.


13 posted on 10/17/2012 8:37:01 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: tatown
Morris's take is succinct, but I have another...

The big winners last night? On the Fence Voters in OH and PA.

The Liberal Plants stepped in it big-time.

Romney knocked the skin off the ball on Coal, Fracking for Gas and Oil, and 2nd Amendment Rights.

Tailor made for OH and PA voters.

I'd love to see some Internals or Rolling Rassmussen Polls of those 2 States over the next 3 to 5 days...

14 posted on 10/17/2012 8:40:29 AM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Fundamental logic !


15 posted on 10/17/2012 8:46:17 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Here is the moment. It shows his complete ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFiNvkqMqAk


16 posted on 10/17/2012 8:46:36 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: tatown

My 17 year old kept saying during the debate, “You think that Obama had never been president”. Then my brother texted me that Obama is confusing his proposals for accomplishments. The problem for Obama is he has a record and talking doesn’t cover that fact up.


17 posted on 10/17/2012 8:48:56 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: tatown
Obama's Benghazi Lies
18 posted on 10/17/2012 8:52:50 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: tatown
Romney made the effective case that Obama is anti-oi, coal, and gas and that this has doubled gas prices.

Mitt should say the policy of his administration will be plentiful, cheap energy. The policy of the poser is just the opposite and the result is higher gas prices, higher heating prices, higher electric and gas prices, higher food prices and higher prices for anything that requires any energy to produce as well as fewer jobs. People can relate to that by looking at their own bills and seeing what is going on around them.

19 posted on 10/17/2012 8:53:28 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 11th Commandment
Obama is confusing his proposals for accomplishments

Your brother hit it on the head. He mentions ideas and then runs as if they were implemented and succeeded. His record is his original platform, and his plan for the next four years is just a regurgitation. He can point to no specific successes, and no positive results, other than a ginned up '5 million jobs created' even though we are not even keeping up with population growth.

20 posted on 10/17/2012 8:53:34 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: tatown

My 17 year old kept saying during the debate, “You think that Obama had never been president”. Then my brother texted me that Obama is confusing his proposals for accomplishments. The problem for Obama is he has a record and talking doesn’t cover that fact up.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 8:54:35 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: tatown

I thought Romney’s point-by-point answer to the black man who asked why Obama should get his vote this time should have won the debate and the election, for anyone who was truly undecided. Obama simply has no defense - and nothing to offer except the potential of some day being on the receiving end of an unearned wealth transfer. That’s enough to keep the artists, academics, and DUmmies in his corner, but even a 100% turnout of those groups won’t be enough to re-elect him. He needs white voters like the ones in the Frank Luntz focus group...and he’s never going to win them back, now.


22 posted on 10/17/2012 8:55:52 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Heart of Georgia

Gas prices were dropping before the crash. It is simple supply and demand and when the gummit cuts supply prices go up.

Pray for America


23 posted on 10/17/2012 8:58:05 AM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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To: bray

Michelle Obama clapping during Benghazi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJEpxboCyWY


24 posted on 10/17/2012 9:05:57 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ArtDodger

Agree totally that Obama had no choice but to lie - but that’s always been his only reliable tactic given his true agenda.


25 posted on 10/17/2012 9:11:22 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

This must be published somewhere as I’ve seen libs pull that same line on message boards about gas prices now vs. low and economy was tanking. I’ve seen them do that over & over.


26 posted on 10/17/2012 9:12:52 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“But in todays society...Your average swing-voter could easily view Obama’s aggression and rudeness as strength”

Not borne out by the focus groups on both Fox and MSNBC.


27 posted on 10/17/2012 9:16:37 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: bray
"Gas prices were dropping before the crash."

The manufactured crash. I'll never believe otherwise.

28 posted on 10/17/2012 9:20:15 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: Heart of Georgia

Neither will I.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 9:24:13 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

Nor I.


30 posted on 10/17/2012 9:25:43 AM PDT by sport
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To: Heart of Georgia

I agree. Mitt Romney will also get at least some sympathy vote since Obama’s Candy was so unbelievable biased against him.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 9:52:52 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: ArtDodger

Wasn’t that “You lie” statement made by a Republican Congressman to Obama when he was touting Obamacare? It was very effective then, so I guess Obummer stole it for future use.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 10:04:25 AM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Your average swing-voter could easily view Obama's aggression and rudeness as strength. In a day and age when so few people have dignity, they neither seek nor recognize it in a leader.

So true. The leftist have dumbed down the sheeple for the last 40 yrs so they now are lead by the that view.

33 posted on 10/17/2012 10:06:11 AM PDT by Digger (A)
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