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Bizarre Coincidence: Democrats Get More Time in All Three Debates
National Review Online ^ | October 17, 2012 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 10/17/2012 8:54:37 AM PDT by redtetrahedron

If you want more time to get your message out in debates, it’s good to be a Democrat.

According to the CNN debate clock, President Obama spoke at greater length than Mitt Romney during both debates, as did Vice President Biden during his debate with Paul Ryan...

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012eoectionbias; corruption; debates; democrats; dncmedia; liberalfascism; liberalmedia; nro; obama; romney
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Bizarre Coincidence? I think not...
1 posted on 10/17/2012 8:54:41 AM PDT by redtetrahedron
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To: redtetrahedron

The Republicans need to insist on objective moderators, not these shills for the BO regime.


2 posted on 10/17/2012 8:59:24 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: redtetrahedron
Bizarre Coincidence? I think not...

One chance in eight.

3 posted on 10/17/2012 8:59:40 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: redtetrahedron

Did anyone expect anything different. A liberal communists monitor and a communists King. Nothing new here.


4 posted on 10/17/2012 9:01:13 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: redtetrahedron

I can’t understand for the life of me why Repubs keep playing the game with the likes of CNN, NPR etc...


5 posted on 10/17/2012 9:01:37 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: redtetrahedron
The home team usually gets the benefit of the calls.

It is surprising how many people feel that this is an us against them sporting contest when in reality we are voting on our future as a country and we are all in the same boat. If it sinks, we all sink together.

6 posted on 10/17/2012 9:02:45 AM PDT by oldbrowser (An empty chair attracts a stadium full of empty chairs.)
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To: redtetrahedron
Can you imagine how upset the leftists are going to be after giving BO more time, unconditional support, totally stumping for him on their news shows - and he still loses?

He has trashed the entire LSM leaving them like a gang-banged woman.

7 posted on 10/17/2012 9:03:00 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: redtetrahedron

Why is there not more questions about the bizzare comment that Obama made about gas prices and that the economy was
near collapse and that is the reason.. That is a pretty bold statement that it was near collapse. It may have been a bad situation... but collapse? really?

Isn’t Obama a millionaire himself?
Wasn’t his biggest donor Bank of America?


8 posted on 10/17/2012 9:03:21 AM PDT by DOGHEAD
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To: redtetrahedron

In politics, there are no coincidences........FDR (Attributed)


9 posted on 10/17/2012 9:06:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: redtetrahedron

These were not typical “undecided” voter questions that were asked last night. The “afraid you would be like George Bush” and the women’s studies undecided voter questions were pretty obvious.

How scripted were the questions? Did Crowley give the questions to Obama in advance? Why did she shut down Romney and give Obama more time?


10 posted on 10/17/2012 9:11:51 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: austingirl; All

” The Republicans need to insist on objective moderators”

And whose fault is it ? Why did the RNC agree to left wing moderators, like Crowley?

Call your House Rep, or Senator.


11 posted on 10/17/2012 9:12:22 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Red Badger

I think it was Ben Franklin that said, ‘best remain silent and be thought of a fool. Then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Romney should give the babbling idiot the whole 90 minutes next time. Just hand him a shovel and say please defend the Last 4 years to the American People.


12 posted on 10/17/2012 9:12:29 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: The_Media_never_lie

She must have overlooked the one to Obama that read “I am afraid you are like Karl Marx......’

Probably got messy with pizza grease or smeared with a Ho ho.


13 posted on 10/17/2012 9:14:48 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: redtetrahedron

two doesn’t show a trend but 3 does.


14 posted on 10/17/2012 9:16:27 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: PGR88
I can’t understand for the life of me why Repubs keep playing the game with the likes of CNN, NPR etc...

There's a reason republicans are called "the Stupid Party"...

15 posted on 10/17/2012 9:17:11 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: InterceptPoint

This is going to sound sexist, but it has occurred to me that both cakcle and smirk Biden and little barry bastard boy have had to hide behind a woman’s skirt in these debates to even try and break even in a debate! And what a mass to hide behind Candy Crowdly gives little barry!


16 posted on 10/17/2012 9:18:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: redtetrahedron

Bizarre coincidence is meant to convey the cynicism in which the Democrats control the debate process. The moderators are all for the most part members of the msm, demonstrate the most extreme prejudice and antipathy towards Republican candidates and get away with it. Why does the GOP alllow this to happen. I just don’t get it.


17 posted on 10/17/2012 9:18:59 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO-"Now, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" by way of Oppenheimer at Trinity, NM)
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To: redtetrahedron

Of course it is no coincidence.


18 posted on 10/17/2012 9:19:49 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: for-q-clinton
two doesn’t show a trend but 3 does.

Nope.

Rule 3: Four out of five consecutive points fall beyond the 1σ limit (in zone B or beyond), on the same side of the centerline

19 posted on 10/17/2012 9:23:13 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: redtetrahedron

There is no future in having these phony “debates” for the amusement of the Democrat media and so the Democrat moderators can try to sink the Republican nominee’s chances to win the election. Apparently, the senile RNC has a death wish.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.


20 posted on 10/17/2012 9:23:49 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Why did she shut down Romney and give Obama more time?

If the word count ever gets jpublished, I'll bet that despite 3 extra minutes for Obama, he is found to have uttered fewer words. The uhs, ahs, grunts, and long pauses from Obama were agonizing last night. He'd interrupt Romney, Candy would give him the floor and then there would be dead silence from him. I wished that Romney would just jump in and finish his previous point. But, Romney was raised to be a gentleman, and Obama was raised to be a Communist.

21 posted on 10/17/2012 9:28:31 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: redtetrahedron

These questions could be structured better. For example,the question about how will you control AK47s would go to Romney, but Obama would answer the mirror of that, something like, “what are you planning to do to protect our second amendment?”.


22 posted on 10/17/2012 9:32:13 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: PGR88

lets go over last night.

A debate in NY, long island and a crowd taken from that area, Crowley a lefty hack from CNN who picks the qestions and does hte time and can but in.

That is like Mark Levin doing a debate , down in rural SC and picking the questions and butting in when he wants.

I said 4 years ago that if the GOP had better stand up to the media and tey did not and still won’t.
They always back down to the media, to the homostapo and social issues


23 posted on 10/17/2012 9:35:43 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: redtetrahedron

These questions could be structured better. For example,the question about how will you control AK47s would go to Romney, but Obama would answer the mirror of that, something like, “what are you planning to do to protect our second amendment?”.


24 posted on 10/17/2012 9:36:47 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: DOGHEAD

not just that.

Why not more of a mention about obama not answering the question that his energy sec states it is not their job to bring prices down.
How Michelle obama was clapping when Crowley came to her husbands defense.
How oabma lied about drilling.

How obama invests in China.

There is a whole host of issues which need to be covered.


25 posted on 10/17/2012 9:38:01 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: redtetrahedron

I think it is worse than indicated. 0bummer and Candy kept interrupting Mitt. I think they counted that until 0bummer started answering.


26 posted on 10/17/2012 9:38:22 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: manc
The Slytherin party vs the Hufflepuff Party.

Guess who will always back down?

27 posted on 10/17/2012 9:39:23 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: redtetrahedron

We all should make a fuss about the bias moderators.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 9:40:03 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: txrefugee
There is no future in having these phony “debates” for the amusement of the Democrat media and so the Democrat moderators can try to sink the Republican nominee’s chances to win the election. Apparently, the senile RNC has a death wish. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result

Excellent, but guess what? It will continue. Thank goodness there was baseball on at that time.

29 posted on 10/17/2012 9:42:02 AM PDT by Digger (A)
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To: redtetrahedron

2008:

Jim Lehrer (Liberal PBS)
Tom Brokaw (Liberal NBC/General Electric)
Bob Scheiffer (Dan Rather’s CBS)
(VP Debate) Gwen Ifill (Wrote glowing Book on Obama)

2012:
Jim Lehrer (Liberal PBS)
Candy Crowley (Communist News Network)
Bob Scheiffer (Dan Rather’s CBS)
(VP Debate) Martha Raddatz (ABC w/George Stephanopoulos)

Anyone see a pattern here? All “undecided” townhall people somehow amazingly always seem eager to assist the Democrat with their “questions”.

And yet, the Stupid Party agrees to the debate format year after year.


30 posted on 10/17/2012 9:42:09 AM PDT by Obadiah (The corrupt MSM is the enemy of the American people.)
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To: redtetrahedron
Time to start kicking Lucy.
31 posted on 10/17/2012 9:43:01 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: redtetrahedron

The mainstream media is in the bag for the President, but that’s no surprise.

The surprise is that despite the best efforts of the shills at ABC, CBS, NBC, NY Times, Et al, it isn’t working this time ‘round and it hasn’t worked a number of times in the past either. There is a general knowledge that the mainstream press is liberally slanted, and that sense has been there for some time despite the Liberal presses best efforts to ignore it. Nixon, Reagan, Bush… None of them would have been elected if it were the mainstream press making the call, and they have usually called it wrong each time a Conservative has been elected.

The American electorate is much smarter and more reasoned than the mainstream press gives them credit for, and the internet and alternative news outlets are the likely reason. Conservative slanted Fox News usually has double or triple the amount of viewers that liberally biased news outlets get, and news sites like ‘RealClearPolitics’ are actually very unbiased sources of information, offering opinions from all sides of the spectrum and it is frequented by intelligent voters from all perspectives.

If you look at the last three Democrats to get elected Presidentially Carter, Clinton and Obama, you might suspect that it was the Liberal press that helped them out and to a small degree that’s true… But the reality is this. McCain, Dole, Bush 1 and Ford were all very weak Republican candidates. Romney is not a weak candidate and that scares the heck out of the Democrats and their buddies in the media. His chances for being elected are really quite good, because in the end, Americans can figure out the weak from the strong and Obama is very weak in comparison to Romney.

The press did their darnedest to make Romney look weak, but that first debate washed away that falsehood and when the American electorate has the choice between a strong Conservative and a weak Liberal, they always choose the Conservative.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 9:45:31 AM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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To: austingirl

3 debates...

They get to pick one mod (instead of the three they pick now),
the Repubs get to pick one mod (Mark Levin would be the offset for “Candy”),

and one drawn out of a hat of equal numbers of mods put into the hat by both campaigns.


33 posted on 10/17/2012 9:46:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: null and void

Three do show a trend. That’s always been a rule. Unless you are talking about something else.


34 posted on 10/17/2012 9:48:08 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: null and void
Giving the Dims more time to talk only hurts them. It is obvious to the half brained that the Mods are leaning left. the Repubs know this, and realize that the debates will be run by the left but know that it will be clear to observers - also it is the only time that they get that big of forum. So they agree - and will still be winners - Mitt looked good - Obama not so good.
35 posted on 10/17/2012 9:52:40 AM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

What about the Biden/Ryan debate? Does the time that Biden ran his mouth interrupting Ryan when Ryan was speaking count as Ryan’s time?


36 posted on 10/17/2012 9:53:08 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: for-q-clinton
Nope.

For a symmetric data set (One where negative and positive numbers are possible) the rules are:

In no case do three or fewer points trigger an out of control alarm until you get beyond 2σ.

Three points define a plane to a mathematician, or a line to an engineer, but don't quite suffice for a trend under Western Electric control chart rules.

That being said, I start to watch a process very closely when three consecutive points are on the same area...

37 posted on 10/17/2012 10:03:02 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: redtetrahedron

You HAVE to give the black man more time or else you’rrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRACIST!!!!!!


38 posted on 10/17/2012 10:03:14 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: austingirl

Why aren’t Republicans demanding equal time?


39 posted on 10/17/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: redtetrahedron

> Democrats Get More Time in All Three Debates

Entitlement.


40 posted on 10/17/2012 10:14:06 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: null and void

How are negative minutes a possibility? Only positive are possible.


41 posted on 10/17/2012 10:15:41 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: null and void

How are negative minutes a possibility? Only positive are possible.


42 posted on 10/17/2012 10:17:18 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: jerod
Conservative slanted Fox News...

You really think so? I know many here would disagree with that, myself included.

43 posted on 10/17/2012 10:19:21 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: for-q-clinton
How are negative minutes a possibility? Only positive are possible.

Good Excellent question!

Depends on how you define it.

What we are really interested in here isn't the absolute number of minutes each candidate gets in debates. That would get very complicated very quickly given differing over all lengths of the debates and times spent asking questions and covering procedural matters.

Easiest to compare and determine biases by tracking percentages of time democrat vs republican.

Set the scale at democrat time-republican time. With a perfectly balanced debate time, the times would be equal: d-r=0.

Democrat bias>0, Republican bias<0.

Now your chart can be symmetric.

We both agree it isn't, we're quibbling about the degree and objective verifiability of the bias.

One can always hope someone, somewhere will think "Hey this guy knows control charts, maybe we can hire him..."

44 posted on 10/17/2012 10:35:41 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void
First time is happenstance.

Second time is coincidence.

Third time is enemy action.

..................... Auric Goldfinger

CA....

45 posted on 10/17/2012 10:46:03 AM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: redtetrahedron

Easy answer. The GOP is out of ideas and besides who wants to listen to them anyways. Much better to hear the Democrats that tell us all the stuff we actually want to hear.


46 posted on 10/17/2012 11:00:10 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: redtetrahedron

Ambassador Bolton was just on FoxNews. He asked Kelly what was the name of the Lincoln/Douglas debate moderator. It was a trick question. There wasn’t one.

He suggested they didn’t need to have one.

They agree what topics to address before the event. They each get time to say what they want. Other parameters could be agree to as well.

Then, 3, 2, 1, debate...

Not a bad idea. Perhaps we should get twenty years of only Conservative moderators first... to even things out.


47 posted on 10/17/2012 11:02:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: null and void
Add in all the presidential campaigns from 1992 forward and what confidence do you have in a trend?
48 posted on 10/17/2012 11:02:55 AM PDT by kitchen (Due to the increased price of ammo, do not expect a warning shot.)
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To: null and void
In no case do three or fewer points trigger an out of control alarm until you get beyond 2σ.

That is true if you assume you are starting with an unbiased coin/event etc. If you know there will likely be a bias in the outcome then its a safe bet you don't need more events.

49 posted on 10/17/2012 11:08:40 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: redtetrahedron
How is this a surprise? You may remember that Romney got the most face time of any of the Republican candidates during the primary debates.

None of this is by accident. The state media gives their preferred candidates as much extra time and help as they possibly can get away with without too many of the sheep catching on.
50 posted on 10/17/2012 11:15:00 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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