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Bizarre Coincidence: Democrats Get More Time in All Three Debates
National Review Online ^ | October 17, 2012 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 10/17/2012 8:54:37 AM PDT by redtetrahedron

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To: kitchen

LOL! Over all? The bias is unquestionable in my mind since the mid 50’s.

Victory over Joe McCarthy Day is as good a place to start the clock as any other.

Proving it is another matter. The last three debates by themselves certainly isn’t enough to establish the trend.

Extra points for bringing more data to the party.


51 posted on 10/17/2012 11:15:37 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Raycpa

I’m assuming a process with multiple interacting and sometimes poorly understood inputs.

Nothing so simple as a coin toss, nor quite as complex as real life.

A control chart is better suited to an engineering reality than a mathematical or political construct. Perhaps not the best tool for this particular application, but still useful.


52 posted on 10/17/2012 11:32:23 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: austingirl
The Republicans need to insist on objective moderators, not these shills for the BO regime.

We can blame the biased moderators all we want, but if we really believe in personal responsibility, then we should blame our own party for appointing members to the Presidential Debate Commission who allow the libs tro control the debates.

53 posted on 10/17/2012 11:32:27 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

Yep. The abuse will continue until the beaten spouse says ENOUGH! and really means it.


54 posted on 10/17/2012 11:37:02 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

Gibbs rule #39
Stephen Lekson rule #3

There is no coincidence


55 posted on 10/17/2012 11:43:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert
What a coincidence!

I was just going to quote Lekson:

"Parsimony has no place here. “Parsimony” is a rule of thumb in logic: in explanations, all things being equal, a simpler logical structure is preferable to a more convoluted logical structure. Parsimony applies to the logic of our interpretation, NOT to the phenomenon we hope to understand."

Actually, I wasn't, but this is as good a place for a little white lie as any...

56 posted on 10/17/2012 11:57:06 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

But since we know the rats got more time all we need to do is map those on an xy and there is your trend.


57 posted on 10/17/2012 12:01:52 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

A control chart is a more powerful version of a simple x-y graph.

It gives you the tools to know when to intervene in the process.

An engineer that panicked every time a process had three data points on the same side of the center spec value will very quickly wear himself out, annoy production and force the process out of control by his constant meddling.


58 posted on 10/17/2012 12:07:54 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: redtetrahedron
Bizarre Coincidence?

Dims have a lot more excrement coming out their mouths.

59 posted on 10/17/2012 12:15:36 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 ("It's better to vote for a Republican you don't know than wind up with a dim you don't like".)
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To: redtetrahedron

The more obama talks the worst it is for him.


60 posted on 10/17/2012 12:47:23 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: null and void

I agree with the math, only in this case we have experience and reason about our inputs.

For example, I have a production crew that has been previously caught drinking on Fridays. I notice that after several months the quality control reports are trending down on Fridays but not enough to get alarmed about. In this case I have a known variable which will cause a decrease in quality but it is not expected to be present. Because I know about this variable, it should cause concern.

In the instant case, we have an unfounded assumption that the moderator and both candidates will be fair about time.


61 posted on 10/17/2012 12:51:27 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: null and void

Really? You’re going to compare the debate and giving rats more time in all 3 to an egineering project?

Once again it takes 3 points to show a trend (in this case...maybe not in the egnineering world though).

Now can we let it rest?


62 posted on 10/17/2012 1:17:14 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: null and void

The complete Lekson package.....

Everybody knew everything
Distance was not a problem
There are no coincidences

Bert’s corollary

The kids moved away
The old folks died (and left residences pretty much intact)


63 posted on 10/17/2012 1:45:03 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: austingirl

I suspect the Obama has already beat us to that punch by insisting upon his “moderators” or no debate.

Frankly as Mitt proved its better to at least have a form where you can dispute their lies, slanders, and argumentation flaws than to have nothing at all.

Remember the Democrats owe the media and and ground campaign with their army of ideological and Government paided minions.

Knowing the natural weakness of their case, and falsehood of their claims. I think we should think ourselves extremely lucky that they agreed to any debate at all. For without a debate they have the advantage.


64 posted on 10/17/2012 1:50:45 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: MrB

All potential debate mods should go in a pool. Each side should be able to pick two from the pool for the 4 debates.


65 posted on 10/17/2012 2:01:42 PM PDT by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: null and void
The Slytherin party vs the Hufflepuff Party.
Guess who will always back down?

Come now; that's an insult to Hufflepuffs:

"You might belong in Hufflepuff,
Where they are just and loyal,
Those patient Hufflepuffs are true,
And unafraid of toil"
—The Sorting Hat

That sure doesn't sound like a description of the Republican party. Loyal? Do you remember NY—23?
Just? Look at the acceptance they've shown for the GCA, NFA, the War on Drugs and "Commerce Clause" justifications of federal power.
Unafraid of toil? When was the last time they worked toward a stated party-plank? And to tie in with just, when was the last time they tried to illegalize Abortion and/or overturn Roe v. Wade?

66 posted on 10/17/2012 2:06:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: VRWCarea51

“I think it was Ben Franklin that said, ‘best remain silent and be thought of a fool. Then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

It may have come from Ben Franklin, but he was quoting a Bible Scripture in Proverbs! :)


67 posted on 10/17/2012 3:35:11 PM PDT by prayin4_swcb (....A nation divided against itself, cannot stand.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I was thinking more like OOP.

Said Hufflepuff, “I’ll teach the lot,
And treat them just the same.”

Those neither hot not cold, not outstanding enough to rate any other House.


68 posted on 10/17/2012 3:36:53 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: for-q-clinton

Building a country is an engineering project of some magnitude.


69 posted on 10/17/2012 3:39:36 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Raycpa
In the instant case, we have an unfounded assumption that the moderator and both candidates will be fair about time.

Fair about time or anything else!

70 posted on 10/17/2012 3:40:58 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void
I was thinking more like OOP.
Said Hufflepuff, “I’ll teach the lot,
And treat them just the same.”
Those neither hot not cold, not outstanding enough to rate any other House.

Hm, interesting; were I to express that sentiment I'd likely reference vomit/spew.

71 posted on 10/17/2012 5:41:05 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Would you look at the time! It’s 3:16...


72 posted on 10/17/2012 5:57:52 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1366 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

Please use statistics correctly if you are you going to pretend to use them.

For example, there are not THREE measurements here. There were three debates. Each debate had a number of questions. The measurement to be used is the excess timing for each question.

Second, you have yet to express what the sigma for this event should be. If each candidate has 120 seconds to speak, the excess should be on the order of a few seconds. Accumulating a 180 plus overage during an entire debate is a lot of excess.

You have yet to specify what the sigma is you are using/claiming. I would assert, without doing the math, that a 3 minute overage would be outside the 3 sigma limit where a single occurance is sufficient to show bias.

You are assuming a normal distribution. That may not be a valid assumption for this process.


73 posted on 10/18/2012 7:34:31 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

The latest explanation coming from LIB-planet dwellers is that it is “because nobama speaks more slowly”. LOL.


74 posted on 10/18/2012 7:38:27 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
I used the data available, that is the total times for each full debate.

A question by question breakdown would give a clearer idea, but the times for each question were not available to me.

Data from every moderated presidential debate since they started them would also be illuminating, especially any kinks occasioned by the introductions of telegraph, telephone, radio, TV and internet coverage.

No data available there, either.

You are correct, I did not give σ a value, I merely used generic control charts to illustrate my point; if you only have three coin tosses, you can't claim a biased coin if you get three heads.

(Oddly enough, an American one cent coin is biased, it is slightly more likely to give you tails! The distribution of metal on a struck coin very slightly dishes the whole coin to the deeper portrait side. Who knew?)

You are assuming a normal distribution. That may not be a valid assumption for this process.

Ya THINK?!?!???

75 posted on 10/18/2012 8:31:09 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1367 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: hal ogen

Not if you take out all the uhs and ums...


76 posted on 10/18/2012 8:32:30 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1367 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: DOGHEAD
"Isn’t Obama a millionaire himself?"

The Obama's are reportedly worth some $11Million and climbing.

77 posted on 10/18/2012 10:21:37 AM PDT by yoe (Vote for the Real American whose love for his country was NEVER in question.)
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