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Boy Scouts’ confidential files show pattern of ‘grooming behavior’ in molesters
Dallas Morning News / Los Angeles Times ^ | October 17, 2012 | Jason Felch and Kim Christensen

Posted on 10/18/2012 2:45:10 AM PDT by Zakeet

The thousands of men expelled from the Irving-based Boy Scouts of America on suspicion of molesting children came from all walks of life — teachers and plumbers, doctors and bus drivers, politicians and police officers. They ranged in age from teenagers to senior citizens and came from troops in every state.

As the Scouts have long said, the files suggest no single profile of a predator. But a close look at nearly 1,900 confidential files opened between 1970 and 1991 revealed a pattern: Many suspected molesters engaged in what psychologists today call “grooming behavior,” a gradual seduction in which predators lavish children with attention, favors and gifts.

In hundreds of cases, Scout leaders allowed the boys to drive cars, drink alcohol or look at pornography. They gradually tested physical boundaries during skinny dipping, group showers, sleepovers and one-on-one activities.

“He combs the boys’ hair and buys them clothes and dinner,” one mother wrote to a Scouting official in 1985 about a Scoutmaster in Orange, Calif. “He takes them to church, motorcycle riding, skiing, flying. … Everybody thought he was a real nice guy. Now we know why he did these things.”

Dallas case

John McGrew was a Dallas Scoutmaster who had been recognized as teacher of the year and received a proclamation from City Hall for his work with disadvantaged youths. Two months before he was arrested on molestation charges, he was featured in Scouting Magazine, where his supervisor praised his “personal dedication and genuine love for these kids.”

In 1988, 16 boys testified in court that McGrew had abused them. He was convicted on several counts and sentenced to life in prison.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: absolutemorals; boyscouts; bsa; childmolesters; childmolestors; gay; grooming; homosexualagenda; homosexualperverts; pederasty; pedophilia; recruitment; scouts
Background: Hundreds of files from the 1960s to the 1980s are set to be released Thursday by order of the Oregon Supreme Court, giving the public its first broad view of the documents.
1 posted on 10/18/2012 2:45:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

33 percent are married men....wow!


2 posted on 10/18/2012 2:48:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Zakeet
Always be careful, and keep an eye anybody that pays too much attention to children. I think might irritate alot of people here on FR, but all I can think when I read stories like this is thank god I never had kids.
3 posted on 10/18/2012 3:01:03 AM PDT by Lockbar (Romney's job on day one: Shut down all the Obama Phones)
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To: Lockbar

In other words the homosexual scout leaders were encouraging and trying to convert the young boys into homos themselves. Who would have guessed? You can’t argue this with the gay population because it exposes their hidden agenda...


4 posted on 10/18/2012 3:06:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

When I hear of a young gay committing suicide, I always wonder who the converter was and why he is still alive...to prey again. It’s NEVER mentioned in these suicides.


5 posted on 10/18/2012 3:11:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Zakeet

The Scouts, Boys and Girls Town, foster parents, Big Brothers/Sisters, these and other groups out there seek to help kids.

The sad thing in all this is, that tens of millions of young men/young women have been groomed to be nothing less or more than incredibly good citizens.

As with anything good though, it only takes one perverted mind to twist good into pure evil.

Some adults see these kids as projects, little people who have been shortchanged in life, and someone they would like to shower with common decency and wholesome moments.

The evil person that takes advantage of these kids, is a destroyer far beyond the kids they abuse.

Look at us here, questioning the very organization of Boy Scouts. It’s as if 99.5% of the kids in scouting were being abused, instead of the other way around.

The bad decision concerning perpetrators caught, is so damaging. The God I respect will have a special place for the abusers of children.

This is so vile, and disappointing.


6 posted on 10/18/2012 3:27:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Oh hadn’t you heard? That type of person just doesn’t exist.

Just ask the homosexual community.

Homosexuals are always born into it. /s


7 posted on 10/18/2012 3:29:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We should ignore the absurd peripheral, and focus on the absurd Obama. People died. He lied!)
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To: Zakeet
no single profile of a predator

How about "sexually interested in boys" for a profile?

8 posted on 10/18/2012 3:30:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Will this be on the test?)
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To: napscoordinator

“33 percent are married men....wow!”

That is why the Catholic Church dismisses the claims of its enemies that allowing priests to marry would rectify the problem; Protestant and Jewish clergy conceded that it didn’t prevent them from having similar problems.

The simple fact is that animals gather where they can feed, and molesters gather where there are children. Unless they have children of their own in a specific group, I am suspicious of any adult looking to interact with children in a supervisory capacity (coach, clergy, teacher, scoutmaster).


9 posted on 10/18/2012 3:38:52 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: jsanders2001

The silence of the Girl Scouts on the gay issue is “deafening” (and disturbing); thankfully I have sons instead, and take them hiking/camping myself.

I was truly impressed when the Boy Scouts stuck to their guns on the gay scoutmaster issue (as the Catholic Church did); the absolute denial about the link between the two issues is bizarre. It is hard to tell organizations that have been sued for millions because of homosexuals in their ranks that they should continue having them there.


10 posted on 10/18/2012 3:42:34 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Tax-chick

“How about “sexually interested in boys” for a profile?”

Thanks; I needed that. Very good!


11 posted on 10/18/2012 3:43:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Zakeet

It seems you have to be suspicious of just about anyone who wants to spend all their free time around children. It simply isn’t normal behavior. Most people need to be around other adults to let the stress of kids pass for a while.


12 posted on 10/18/2012 3:47:29 AM PDT by formosa
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To: kearnyirish2

Yes, and I’m suspicious of men who continue to coach boys after their own are grown.


13 posted on 10/18/2012 3:49:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

“Yes, and I’m suspicious of men who continue to coach boys after their own are grown.”

It sounds terrible when you consider these people are giving of their time, but I won’t take chances with my children. We’ve had coaches offer to drive them to practices/games, and politely refuse; I notice a small number of other parents wait at each practice (which can be a few hours), and assume they’re on the same page as me.


14 posted on 10/18/2012 3:52:13 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

You’re right, there’s a less commonly spoken issue there as well.


15 posted on 10/18/2012 3:56:13 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Zakeet

“Normal” men will feel guilt and soon avert their eyes from underage girls...no, so with the politically privileged perverted gays. No they plan out their future abominations carefully, step by step.

Just wait until the PC cops set their eyes on the Armed Forces promotion policies toward gays in the same way it fast tracked negro promotions.


16 posted on 10/18/2012 4:08:12 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: Zakeet

I have homosexual friends, and they’re good people, not hurting anyone.

/myopia


17 posted on 10/18/2012 4:28:45 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Zakeet

Even though gays say these are just pedophiles...

These are gay men looking for gay sex with teenagers.

If the Boy Scouts ever opens it doors to gays - it will be the end of the organization.


18 posted on 10/18/2012 4:42:21 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Zakeet

“The files suggest no single profile of a predator.”

Other than the fact they are homosexual?


19 posted on 10/18/2012 4:45:51 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: 2banana

The pro-homo libtards hate the BSA because they have tried to keep faggots away from the Scouts.

Besides keeping the “morally straight” clause, and not permitting homo scoutmasters, the “two adult” rule is critical.

It’s very difficult for the pro-homo libtards to be honest about all of this. If they push for homo scountmasters, are they not advocating for more Sanduskys?


20 posted on 10/18/2012 4:50:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The experience of the Catholic church, homosexual priests and boys shows that it doesn’t end well.

The experience of Penn State, Jerry Sandusky and boys shows it doesn’t end well.

The experience of the BSA itself, homosexual leaders and boys shows that it doesn’t end well.

Given all that, anyone agitating that the BSA should allow homosexual leaders is either too moronic to be allowed out of the institution unsupervised, or actively wishes to promote the molestation of boys and should be shot in sight.


21 posted on 10/18/2012 5:18:21 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

This is really an attempt to make the Scouts look bad and look as if these crimes had been happening all along with their knowledge and therefor it wouldn’t matter if the BSA had gay Scoutmasters, etc.

It does appear that as soon as the Scouts had any idea that something bad was happening, they got rid of these guys. It doesn’t appear that they always reported them to the police, however, but that was very typical of the time when many of these crimes probably occurred (the 1980s and early 90s) because by then homosexuality had been declared ok and ephebophilia (basically, gay men going after young teenagers and boys) was just part of it.

The other problem, of course, is that child molesters are very good at “grooming” the adults around them, too - that is, accustoming them to seeing more and more interaction with the children, moving from things like taking an interest in the kids’ homework to inviting them to spend the weekend with them. They also are very good at picking the right parents, very often single women who are so grateful that any male is taking an interest in their kids that they probably don’t examine it too closely.


22 posted on 10/18/2012 5:32:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: DuncanWaring
The experience of Penn State, Jerry Sandusky and boys shows it doesn’t end well.

One problem with that though is that as far as I knew Sandusky wasn't an open homosexual. I prefer the BSA keeps its current policies as well but I've never seen the Sandusky argument as effective against open homosexuals for the reason above (it does work though to promote eternal vigilance).

23 posted on 10/18/2012 5:36:53 AM PDT by chargers fan
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To: Zakeet

The red flag is whenever a child’s authority figure tries to move the relationship into a personal friendship and begins to engage the child outside the exclusive purpose of their role as scout leader, teacher, coach, etc. For example. . .Sandusky “horsing around” in the shower. . .I tell you, had a coach ever showed up to take a shower with members of the team back in my day. . .he’d be limping out. . and then he would have met the “Parents Committee”. . after which he would have mysteriously disappeared into the swamp never to be heard from again. (I’ll let each of you interpret the meaning of “disappeared into the swamp.”)


24 posted on 10/18/2012 5:50:54 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: 9YearLurker

“Yes, and I’m suspicious of men who continue to coach boys after their own are grown.”

Some of the best coaches I ever played for had no children on the team. They also made it clear that they were not “babysitters”. The Rules were always the same for parents:

1. Bring your own child to practice.
2. Be there PRIOR to the end of practice to pickup child.
3. The Coach gave rides to NO ONE.
4. If a parent was late, another parent had to stay with the coach and waiting child.
5. Another adult(parent/coach) MUST be at every practice/game.

This was years ago! It is called common sense.

Almost EVERY case of abuse has an isolation component where ONE adult is alone with ONE child. If every organization and parent put safeguards in place to prevent this isolation from ever taking place the opportunity for sexual abuse would disappear.

I am less suspicious of these men with grown children and am more disgusted with parents who want to dump kids for an hour, or two, so they don’t have to bother with them.


25 posted on 10/18/2012 6:20:33 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: kearnyirish2

The boyscouts had sex rings of cooperative molestors.

If you look at the grooming techinques, you will find the adult sex activism in the public schools. They are grooming the children for sex with them and their pals.

The gay straight clubs give perverts the opportunity to groom and “progress” to giving them drugs and booze and special favors outside of school activities with studens. For example, in Mass. they take the sex club’s children from across the State to a gay prom in Boston and perverts have a field day.

The schools are one of the biggest threats to boys becuase it is the pervert teacher’s “civil right” and to groom other people’s children. This they say is to stop bullying and unsafe sex.

At a children’s gay sex club activist “education” event in Boston, one of the perverts leading a seminar was recorded telling the children (ages 13-19) that having your first experience of gay sex with an adult was the safest thing to do because adults know what they are doing and are more sensitive. Public schools are the perverts’ child sex meat factory.


26 posted on 10/18/2012 6:21:29 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Zakeet

That’s why the two deep leadership is more important than the ban on gay leaders. Banning gay leaders only stops the openly gay men. No molester in his right mind is going to admit it.


27 posted on 10/18/2012 6:29:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: chargers fan

Goes to show that even with non-obvious homosexuals there’s still a potential for problems.


28 posted on 10/18/2012 6:42:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Zakeet
BSA should hire one confirmed, out-of-the-closet gay person to act as a "Lenser" (from The Chronicles of Riddick). The Lenser could interview prospective scout leaders. Using their gaydar, the Lenser could determine if the interviewee is a threat or not.


29 posted on 10/18/2012 6:46:33 AM PDT by moovova (I work well with others, as long as they leave me alone.)
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To: Travis McGee

Liberals use the “for the children” for all kinds of extreme rules and regulations but when it comes to homosexuals and children they demand total freedom to assault our children. I mean, why can’t the BSA say “no homos, for the children” and get liberal cooperation when liberals say “for the children” and expect anything and everything goes?


30 posted on 10/18/2012 6:53:00 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: CodeToad

I have an essay in mind titled something like, “Would you liberal Sanduskys please stop grooming our children?”

Then go into all of the social grooming for sexual predation the libtards promote, starting with “Prince and Prince” in kindergarten etc.

Calling pro-homo libtards “Sanduskys” is an effective meme, I think.


31 posted on 10/18/2012 7:33:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Sundusky isn’t a term that’s well known. “Pedophile”, however, might be.


32 posted on 10/18/2012 8:25:41 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Zakeet
Many suspected molesters engaged in what psychologists today call “grooming behavior,” a gradual seduction in which predators lavish children with attention, favors and gifts.

Homosexuals don't reproduce ... they recruit.

33 posted on 10/18/2012 8:55:48 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: SaraJohnson

Nasty stuff; I’m not familiar with Boston, but we have plenty of issues with this stuff in the NYC metro area as well. During the height of the Catholic Church’s scandal, Bill Donohue of the Catholic League demonstrated the media bias by highlighting one week in the NYC public school system in which five employees (teachers, custodians, etc.) were charged with molesting children. He wasn’t defending the actions of the priests, but simply pointing out how skewed the coverage was.

Unfortunately for many boys, the best defense against these crimes is to have a father and far too many are lacking that.


34 posted on 10/18/2012 2:02:28 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: DuncanWaring
Given all that, anyone agitating that the BSA should allow homosexual leaders is either too moronic to be allowed out of the institution unsupervised, or actively wishes to promote the molestation of boys and should be shot in sight.

I aactually got in aheated arguemnt with a lib in my office who went out if his way to tell me that he sent his Eagle Scout medal back to the BSA because of the treatment of gay scoutmasters. He refused to believe that homsexuality had anything to do with child molestation.

I asked him how long he thought the Boy Scouts would survive as an organization once parents learn that they would be submitting their sons to a misquided experiment to see if he is right. He just got mad and stormed off. Typical.

35 posted on 10/18/2012 2:19:58 PM PDT by lawdave
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To: lawdave

You might leave a copy of “Little Boy Blue Devil” on his desk.

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2009/06/28/little_boy_blue_devil


36 posted on 10/18/2012 3:56:51 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: lawdave

Libs don’t let facts get in the way of their pet theories. Is there any evidence this guy was a Boy Scout, let alone an Eagle scout?
Perhaps any applicant over 24 for a scouting position should be asked for references from female sex partners.


37 posted on 10/18/2012 8:41:53 PM PDT by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: Zakeet

Why am I not surprised. Homosexuals have had a long history of being pedophiles since Ancient Rome


38 posted on 10/18/2012 10:20:20 PM PDT by NerdOfReason
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To: lawdave

Then he went and threw his war medals over the White House fence.(John Fn Kerry reference)


39 posted on 10/19/2012 5:37:14 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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