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The Real Difference Between Islamic ‘Extremists’ and ‘Moderates’-A field guide to the Arab Spring
Frontpagemagazine ^ | October 18, 2012 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 10/18/2012 5:18:50 AM PDT by SJackson

There were eras in human history whose great challenges lay in isolating chemical compounds, unlocking the structures of human genetic material and examining the hearts of dying stars. But the great challenge of our time is telling apart Muslim moderates and Muslim extremists.

Fly to Tripoli International Airport, take the Airport Highway into Tripoli, drive along the coast through all those towns and cities you heard about on the radio when the announcers were excitedly describing battles between the brave Libyan rebels and the despicable forces of the despot; Homs, Misrata, Sirte. Drive through the night while hugging the Mediterranean coastline until you reach Benghazi.

Benghazi is the city on whose behalf we went to war against Gaddafi. The imminent peril to Benghazi was the reason that Obama gave for the conflict. “We struck regime forces approaching Benghazi to save that city and the people within it,” he declared proudly. But the firepower that proved so potent in displacing and dismantling the Gaddafi regime could not protect Ambassador Stevens and the American consulate.

The Benghazi consulate’s own security forces had been stripped down to their bare essentials. Inside the compound, in their own barracks, were members of the February 17 Martyrs Brigade who were tasked with providing security for the consulate. The February 17 Martyrs Brigade is an Islamist militia affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. The attackers firing off RPGs into the compound were members of Ansar Al Sharia, a spinoff of the February 17 Martyrs Brigade, associated with Al Qaeda.

On diplomatic paper the moderate February 17 Martyrs Brigade and the extremist Ansar Al-Sharia had nothing in common. In reality, the differences between the two militias were mostly cosmetic and the Martyrs Brigade had been contacted ahead of time by an Al Qaeda politician and asked to stand down while the attack took place.

A month later and a thousand miles away, the moderate Free Syrian Army and the extremist Al Nusra Front captured a missile base in Syria. The base was stocked with the rather popular S-75 SAMs which may be a bit dated, but had still managed to shoot down an F-111 over Libya back in 1981 and would make short work of most commercial airliners.

The Free Syrian Army is the force that almost everyone agrees we should be supporting. They are almost certainly the fighters that Obama is conveying weapons and trainers to. And the Treasury Department approved a license to provide direct financial assistance to the FSA. The Al Nusra Front however is linked to Al Qaeda and waves the black flag of the Caliphate. It considers the United States an enemy of Islam.

The rebel spokesman for the local franchise of the Brave Syrian People ™ explained, “We don’t distinguish between the groups Al Nusra and the other militias, as long as everyone is working toward one goal of ousting the regime.” Our beloved moderates were making no distinction between themselves and the extremists. By helping the Free Syrian Army, we were really helping Al Qaeda.

The missile base attack was not the first time that the Free Syrian Army and the Al Nusra Front had worked together. The exploits of the Free Syrian Army were often actually the work of the experienced Jihadi fighters of Al Nusra. When gullible Westerners thought they were applauding the daring acts of freedom fighters, they were actually cheering the fanatical murderous frenzy of their own enemies.

The S-75s of Aleppo won’t pose much of a threat to us because the Syrian Air Force promptly swooped in and blew the missile base to bits, thereby probably saving a few hundred or a few thousand American lives—not that they did it for that reason. The real mission of the FSA and Al Nusra however had been to dismantle Syrian air defenses on its northern border clearing the way for a Turkish invasion of Syria.

But there is no reason to worry about that. As the media incessantly inform us, Turkey is run by the moderate AKP Islamists. The moderate AKP Islamists proudly support Hamas, which is an extremist group, and they have ties to Al Qaeda, which is an even more extremist group, but that’s just because they’re all working toward one goal on behalf of the brave peoples of Gaza and Afghanistan to oust the Great Satan and the Little Satan.

To make moderate matters even more confusing, the Muslim Brotherhood regime which has taken over Egypt has been designated as moderate, and yet the only difference between the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza, better known as the immoderate Hamas, is the border between them. On one side of the border the Muslim Brotherhood is moderate while on the other side of the border the Muslim Brotherhood is extreme.

But let’s head back along the coast through Lebanon, Israel, Egypt and Libya over to Tunisia, where the moderate ruling Islamist Ennahda Party has just had questions raised over its true degree of moderation by the release of a video that shows Ennahda leader Rached Ghannouchi collaborating with the Salafists on an Islamist takeover of Tunisia.

Ghannouchi’s previous declarations that America was the enemy of Islam while vowing to fight against it had been dismissed. His fatwa that “There are no civilians in Israel. The population– males, females, and children– are the army reserve soldiers, and thus can be killed” was just one of those genocidal remarks that did not discredit him as a moderate figure.

Tunisia was where the bloody Arab Spring had been born in a Muslim man’s fit of sexist pique at being slapped by a female police officer. Its enablers needed to believe that Ennahda was moderate while the Salafists enforcing Islamic law with their fists and storming the American embassy were the extremists. But instead, like their Libyan, Syrian and Egyptian counterparts, Tunisia’s moderate and extremist Islamists proved to be one and the same.

What is the true difference between the February 17 Martyrs Brigade and Ansar Al Sharia, between the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, between the Free Syrian Army and the Al Nusra Front, between the Salafists wearing suits in government buildings in Tunisia and Egypt, and the Salafists wearing robes and marching in the streets?

There are differences between them, but there are far fewer differences between these groups than there are between any one of them and us.

The Koran advises Muslims not to take Christians and Jews as friends, “for they are friends of each other.” When going on a safari through the Arab Spring, it might be well for us to heed that advice when it comes to all the moderate Islamists springing out of the grass.

We have no friends among the Islamist forces of the Arab Spring; only enemies who hate us moderately and enemies who hate us extremely.


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aleppo; alqaeda; arabspring; benghazi; islam; jihad; muslim; quaran

1 posted on 10/18/2012 5:18:55 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
We have no friends among the Islamist forces of the Arab Spring; only enemies who hate us moderately and enemies who hate us extremely.

Now if only we had a President who understands that fully and what it means for us.

2 posted on 10/18/2012 5:29:18 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: SJackson
Heard a report this A.M. that two of the guards (libyans) protecting Ambassador Stevens and Ambassador Stevens’ group were involved in a bombing of a consulate two months prior. Yep, the tallybunnies are in the building.
3 posted on 10/18/2012 5:30:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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4 posted on 10/18/2012 5:31:25 AM PDT by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: SJackson

Moderates and so called extremists recieve all the same teachings, some act on those teachings.


5 posted on 10/18/2012 5:34:59 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: SJackson
But the great challenge of our time is telling apart Muslim moderates and Muslim extremists.

Previously, I created a cartoon depicting a Muslim with an angry look on his face and labeled it "Extremist Muslim".

The next frame had the same image except with red crosses for eyes and it was labeled "Moderate Muslim".

Photobucket wouldn't host it and Free Republic removed it so I can't show it....

But that don't mean it ain't true.

6 posted on 10/18/2012 5:35:10 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: bigheadfred

We do. He’s on their side. That is the real problem.


7 posted on 10/18/2012 5:35:51 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: SJackson

So-called “moderate” Muslims are those who just cannot bring themselves to obey the demands of the koran to be violent towards infidels or fellow apostates. The success of the Muslim Brotherhood has been in teachings that call Muslims to obey what the koran requires. Thus, the more Islam spreads, the more its core will be emboldened to carry out Islam’s three demands on the rest of the world: convert, submit or die.

Islam is “the religion of peace” only when we allow Islam to define the meaning of the word “peace”. In that context, Islam divides the world into two areas: those that are under Islam (the house at peace) and the area yet to be forced to submit (the house at war). You get the drift.


8 posted on 10/18/2012 5:36:47 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: SJackson

Its EASY to tell them apart.

The extremists are still breathing and the moderates are not.

This argument makes as much sense as “How can you tell a good NAZI from a bad one?”


9 posted on 10/18/2012 5:51:14 AM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: SJackson

There are people who are nominally Muslim, but don’t give a damn about Islam and wish it would go away. There are people who are devoutly Muslim and want to conquer the world and kill all infidels in new and creative ways, using modern technology. There are degrees in between. But that’s all there is.


10 posted on 10/18/2012 5:59:46 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: SJackson

Extremists cut throats on videos, kill their own children and wives, blow up infidels, and rape gay ambassadors. Moderates keep quiet.


11 posted on 10/18/2012 6:02:05 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SJackson

12 posted on 10/18/2012 6:02:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SJackson

A moderate is one that doesn’t sodomize a dead body after he murders it.


13 posted on 10/18/2012 7:11:11 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: bigheadfred

***** “We have no friends among the Islamist forces of the Arab Spring; only enemies who hate us moderately and enemies who hate us extremely.” *****

Known this for a long time.

See my Tag

TT


14 posted on 10/18/2012 7:23:32 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: SJackson

The real difference? Not a dam thing. You acquiesce, you adopt.


15 posted on 10/18/2012 7:27:42 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
People forget that 95% of the Egyptians here in the US voted for the moslem brotherhood. Moderates my backside!
16 posted on 10/18/2012 7:45:57 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yeah, and here in the US we have muslims in high places, Secret Service etc...

We think we are smarter than Saddam who only used christians for bodyguards... and Kadafi who only used atheistic arab female feminists.


17 posted on 10/18/2012 8:09:20 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

The extremist is the secret agent saboter of the moderate honeyed mouth muslim. Our intelligence agencies are completely gilded because of gay rights etc...


18 posted on 10/18/2012 8:11:30 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll
What I found dismaying is that a nation/people abhor an updated version of the saying “the only good injun is a dead injun” so often heard in the westerns of my youth.
19 posted on 10/18/2012 8:19:44 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: SJackson
An islamic ‘extremist’ is just a moderate that hasn't has a chance to blow anything up yet.
20 posted on 10/18/2012 8:19:44 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: JudgemAll
First, they be atheist Arabs.

Second, they must be female female feminists.

And third, they must have really big....

Oh, never mind!

21 posted on 10/18/2012 8:23:41 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: TexasTransplant
Sgt. Evan Carnahan

This young man is my Nephew. This young man was granted parole after 5 years served. The Sec. of the Army, the asshole John McHugh, denied it.

obama takes credit for killing Osama Bin Laden. Under the ROE my Nephew was convicted under, obama is a murderer. He needs to be tried. And then for the confessed premeditated murder of Osama, he needs to sit in an electric chair until every white molecule in him is charred black.

Now don't get me wrong. Osama deserved to die.

But in the same context, on THAT day in Iraq, the raghead my Nephew shot DESERVED to die.

22 posted on 10/18/2012 5:05:21 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

To this day I cannot watch “Black Hawk Down” because I know the back story ... (Unarmed Meals on Wheels)

Between MSM and the Pentagon our Soldiers, Sailors and Marines are maligned daily and the absolute madness of the stupid Rules of Engagement leave me spitting mad.

During the Clinton years my Unit was to be sent to Bosnia, while we were loading out some big wig decided that we had to relinquish all of our ammo and only Officers could have ammo for their 9mm side arms, everyone else just their weapons ... we had excellent Officers that probably destroyed their Careers that day because they refused to obey that Order because the C130 we were to be transported in was to land at an unsecured runway and running out the ass of that plane shouting bang, bang, bang just wouldn’t be the right way to do things.

After our refusal to load out they cancelled our Mission but I believe and trust our decision was the right one.

They kept us locked in that building for 2 days, to say that tempers flared or the wuppty ups that thought they were in charge felt threatened would be an understatement.

We had Officers that were cut of the same cloth as Col West and Oliver North and I am probably still here with the living because of them.

See my Tagline, your Nephew has my support

TT


23 posted on 10/18/2012 7:38:59 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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