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The Origination Clause: Die Harder, ObamaCare!
American Thinker ^ | Oct 19 2012 | Daniel Smyth

Posted on 10/19/2012 12:29:44 AM PDT by WilliamIII

Chief Justice John Roberts could begin his next Supreme Court decision regarding ObamaCare with the following statements: "Whoops, ObamaCare is unconstitutional. As ObamaCare involves taxes, the House -- not the Senate -- was constitutionally responsible for originating ObamaCare." If Roberts agrees with the Pacific Legal Foundation's (PLF) recent case against ObamaCare, then Roberts, as suggested above, could reverse his decision in June 2012 that most of ObamaCare is constitutional. On September 11, 2012, PLF sued the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, alleging that ObamaCare violates the Constitution's Origination Clause, which reads as follows: All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills. PLF argues that ObamaCare's Individual Mandate, which Roberts labeled a tax in his June 2012 decision, significantly raises government revenue. The Individual Mandate "taxes" individuals $695 and families $2,085 per year for not purchasing health insurance plans. In Roberts' words, the mandate will produce "at least some revenue for the Government ... about $4 billion per year by 2017.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/the_origination_clause_die_harder_obamacare.html#ixzz29jAtFHR6

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
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1 posted on 10/19/2012 12:29:47 AM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

After I got done cussing at Roberts, I began to wonder if he wasn’t playing a version of rope-a-dope with this.


2 posted on 10/19/2012 12:37:18 AM PDT by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: WilliamIII

The case they decided was not brought to SCOTUS on the basis of origination - and they did not rule on that aspect ...

This case may give them a second bite of the apple from the “other side” ...


3 posted on 10/19/2012 12:40:20 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: WilliamIII

Tonight’s roast of the candidates is well worth watching.

Pretty cool they all get together in the same room (Barky Obama, Mitten, Piss Matthews, George Soreazz, etc.).

Only in America.

Romney’s great roast of Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA

Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJKOxWThBXU


4 posted on 10/19/2012 12:46:09 AM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: hsrazorback1
After I got done cussing at Roberts, I began to wonder if he wasn’t playing a version of rope-a-dope with this.

Do you think John Roberts ruled in accordance with the original understanding of the Constitution, yes or no?

Do you think it is proper for a Justice to play rope-a-dope instead of ruling according to the Constitution, yes or no?

5 posted on 10/19/2012 1:53:21 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: WilliamIII
Who is this bozo? He sounds like George Will or Krauthammer in his shameless attempt to put lipstick on John Roberts.

John Roberts can wallow in the sty of his own making.

6 posted on 10/19/2012 1:58:21 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: hsrazorback1

Optimism is a wonderful thing.


7 posted on 10/19/2012 2:38:02 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: WilliamIII; All
Obamacare:

Mrs. LVD (and about 50+ other medical professionals) were told at a medical seminar recently that Obamacare stops chemotherapy at age 74. One can still have this procedure, but is responsible for the costs.

Mrs. LVD also commented, "..most medical professionals that attended were apparently hearing this for the first time, judging from the chatter"!

8 posted on 10/19/2012 2:55:10 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (".....All 57 states (or is it 58?) must stand together and defeat O'bozo!.....")
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I bet as time goes on and Obamacare is scrutinized we discover lots of surprises we didn’t know are in there that are going to really piss the Anerican people off. If it weren’t for Obama having a family I’d want him tried for treason and hung.


9 posted on 10/19/2012 3:04:29 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: WilliamIII

It was originated in the house as some random bill. When the senate got said random bill, they gutted it and shoved 0bamacare into the cover as an “edit”.

iirc


10 posted on 10/19/2012 3:09:41 AM PDT by Principled (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote for conservative Reps and Senators to stop Romney. [ZET 7/30/12])
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To: WilliamIII

***PLF argues that ObamaCare’s Individual Mandate, which Roberts labeled a tax in his June 2012 decision, significantly raises government revenue.***

The convoluted process of raising taxes to pay for another Federal Government program in order to regulate/control yet another enterprise.

Food production and distribution: Check
Housing: Check
Transportation: Check
Entertainment: Check (FCC)
Employment: Check
Education: Check


11 posted on 10/19/2012 3:33:09 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: WilliamIII
robert’s is a progressive judicial tyrant... he is a male ruth “darth vader” ginsberg. If you expect anything good to come from him... 99% of the time you will be disappointed. He lied during his hearings... he is a liar and the truth is not in him.

LLS

12 posted on 10/19/2012 4:13:13 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: WilliamIII

Because Ocare is a tax I think it will only take 50 Senators to defeat it.


13 posted on 10/19/2012 4:22:19 AM PDT by HChampagne
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To: WilliamIII

Add the 3.8% federal tax on real estate transactions.


14 posted on 10/19/2012 5:59:14 AM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: Ken H

Ok, I’ll play along...

“Do you think John Roberts ruled in accordance with the original understanding of the Constitution, yes or no?” Yes.

“Do you think it is proper for a Justice to play rope-a-dope instead of ruling according to the Constitution, yes or no?” That’s a nice textbook logical trap you have there; go lookup “false dilemma”. He could have done both.


15 posted on 10/22/2012 11:41:13 AM PDT by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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