Skip to comments.Firearm instructor prepares to educate officers on open carry(OK)
Posted on 10/19/2012 4:39:55 AM PDT by marktwain
In two weeks the open carry law takes effect.
Gun-training classes have been filling up and in some cases doubling their normal size.
One Bixby Police Officer says more education is needed, even for law enforcement.
"This is a shift in culture, said Bixby Police Officer Michael Konshak. Now we're going to have guns out in the open."
Konshak has been in law enforcement nearly 22 years. He's a firearm instructor certified by the Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training. Konshak is worried there hasn't been enough talk about this law.
"I don't have any fear, he told FOX23. I just am concerned that everybody gets educated that needs to be educated."
He will be teaching police officers across the state.
"When the open carry thing goes into effect, obviously the law enforcement officer will know the person is carrying out in the open. As a law enforcement personnel we can go up and ask them to prove their credentials, "show us your license to carry the gun," said Konshak.
But it gets tricky; Oklahoma law says law enforcement must honor the gun laws of Alaska, Wyoming, Vermont and Arizona. Those states don't issue gun licenses. Anyone from those states caught in Oklahoma must have a state I.D. or driver's license.
The next logical step is to remove the requirement for a permit from Oklahoma.
Michigan's had open carry for almost forever and I can't say that I've ever saw anyone exercise that right. I've seen guys with poorly concealed handguns but that was no big deal either.
I know for a fact that Arizona does issue a concealed carry license. Even though it is optional for concealed carry here, most other states recognize it.
As an Oklahoman, I don’t have a huge problem with those from the no-permit/Constitutional-carry states being given recognition by the new OK law. It’s really no different that the way states recognize each other’s driver’s license. As the officer-instructor notes, this law transition shows a need for proper education for LEOs as the lack of it can be a source of problems (usually rooted in poor communication skills), especially as regards firearms. My interactions with LEOs when I’ve been armed have been positive in the normal roadside interactions (a total of two in the 15 years of having a CCL.)
there's a serious 4th and 5th amendment issue here
is joe citizen free to ignore the officer's request? if not, then joe citizen has been detained without probable cause and ordered to self-incriminate (if they don't have a permit)
approaching simply because someone appears to be engaged in a lawful activity has turned policing on it's head
I also see the flip side of this...now every banger can just walk around strapped with impunity
and you can bet it will be the first banger that gets popped that will be the test case
As a practitioner of VSM and consultant, I’m glad to see you were able to do this in a workgroup setting. I think the best learning occurs when people are able to connect it at an emotional level. I bet the insights from the group were most revealing, even for an experienced trainer/practitioner.
“...poorly concealed handguns...”
That was one of the motivations for passing this law. There were some overzealous police arresting concealed carry holders for accidentally showing their concealed weapon.