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Unions Claim Prop 32 Would Rob Them Of Political Power
CBSLA.com) ^ | October 19, 2012 8:26 PM

Posted on 10/20/2012 9:53:44 AM PDT by BenLurkin

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Labor union members claim Proposition 32, which would limit how unions raise money for California political campaigns, would rob them of their political power.

A clause in the proposition on the November ballot would prohibit unions from payroll-deducted funds for political purposes.

Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College, said the provision weakens the ability of unions to participate in elections.

“They could still try to get voluntary donations from members, but without that steady stream of income via the payroll deductions, it would be a lot harder for them,” he said.

Maria Elena Durazo from the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor said, “Without payroll deduction, we could not have the resources to speak on behalf of all workers in California.”

Former California Sen. Gloria Romero, a Prop 32 supporter, said the initiative would actually give power back to the workers.

“It empowers the rank-and-file union member or the union worker at a corporation to say, ‘You can’t just reach into my paycheck and take my money anymore,’” she said.

Prop 32 would also ban corporate and union political contributions to state and local candidates, as well as ban contractor contributions to politicians who award contracts to them.

However, the initiative allows independent expenditures that can be used to support political figures—for example, through Super PACs.

Pitney said that gives corporations an advantage because CEOs can easily cut a check out of corporate funds, while unions have to collect funds one member at a time.

“This will hurt the unions, but not destroy them,” he said.

Prop 32’s biggest donor is Stanford physicist Charles Munger, the son of billionaire Charles Munger Sr.

The younger Munger has given nearly $23 million in contributions to the measure.

“Charles Munger, a conservative Republican, sincerely wants to help Republican causes. Conservative Republicans believe labor unions have been a negative force in California,” said Pitney.

Pitney said a voter should support Prop 32 if they believe labor unions are too powerful.

Otherwise, he said, “If you think (the proposition) would tilt the playing field in favor of corporations and against unions, this is something that you would oppose.”

According to a major poll, only 36 percent of voters are in favor of Prop 32.


TOPICS: Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; charlesmunger; claremontmckenna; gloriaromero; jackpitney; mariaelenadurazo; proposition32; stanford
"YES" on 32
1 posted on 10/20/2012 9:53:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Let’s hope so. They are one of the big reasons the state is in the trouble it is. YES ON 32!


2 posted on 10/20/2012 9:55:08 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer
Unions Claim Prop 32 Would Rob Them Of Political Power

File under: People unclear on the concept.

3 posted on 10/20/2012 9:56:46 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Obama: Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 trillion.)
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To: BenLurkin
According to a major poll, only 36 percent of voters are in favor of Prop 32.

Unfortunately, the unions will not lose this battle. There are still an enormous number of liberals and parasites in this state that will vote for the marxists, and the way the numbers look now, along with the insignificance of any true opposition party to the left, this is more or less now a permanent left-majority state.

We'll see if it ever changes, but probably not in my lifetime.
4 posted on 10/20/2012 10:00:50 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: BenLurkin
Labor union members claim Proposition 32, which would limit how unions raise money for California political campaigns, would rob them of their political power.

What's the downside?

5 posted on 10/20/2012 10:00:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: BenLurkin

They can cry me a river!


6 posted on 10/20/2012 10:01:17 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: BenLurkin

This is the only prop on the ballot that I’m definitely a yes on.


7 posted on 10/20/2012 10:01:17 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: BenLurkin
"Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College, said the provision weakens the ability of unions to participate in elections. “They could still try to get voluntary donations from members, but without that steady stream of income via the payroll deductions, it would be a lot harder for them,” he said."

Boohoo...cry me a river that you wouldn't get to use union dues to elect your liberal politician of choice.

I already sent in my absentee ballot and voted not only yes, but hell yes.

8 posted on 10/20/2012 10:01:24 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: BenLurkin
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9 posted on 10/20/2012 10:10:50 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: BenLurkin

Gee Unions thats the whole freakin point!! I’m ready to vote YES on 32!


10 posted on 10/20/2012 10:12:43 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: BenLurkin

Unions have destroyed this state economy, they own the legislators that cast the votes that paid out all the super benefits and now their fried chickens are comin’ home to rooost and they’re unhappy. waaaaaaa...

Time to tell hem and Moonbeam to STFU and embrace sanity.


11 posted on 10/20/2012 10:15:37 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: BenLurkin
The unions have been running commercials that flat lie about this proposition for two months now.

There are apparently no standards for political ads these days.

12 posted on 10/20/2012 10:26:13 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: BenLurkin

CA is owned by public sector union thugs. We need to remove the host for this parasite which is their members cash.


13 posted on 10/20/2012 10:27:18 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks BenLurkin.
Former California Sen. Gloria Romero, a Prop 32 supporter, said the initiative would actually give power back to the workers. "It empowers the rank-and-file union member or the union worker at a corporation to say, 'You can't just reach into my paycheck and take my money anymore,'" she said.

14 posted on 10/20/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BenLurkin

What is the general take on prop 31?


15 posted on 10/20/2012 10:35:41 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: BenLurkin
Unions Claim Prop 32 Would Rob Them Of Political Power

Dear Union Thugs:

This is a feature, not a bug. Citizens and taxpayers, the People of California, NOT UNIONS, are supposed to have the power. California does not yet have a Mussolini style "corporate constitution", where interest groups are the locus of power.

16 posted on 10/20/2012 10:52:33 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: BenLurkin

Rob the unions of power? That’s the *general idea*,comrades!


17 posted on 10/20/2012 10:53:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: BenLurkin
Prop 32 would rob them of their political power."""".....

You Betcha, and that will be Martha Stewart moment, "its a good thing".

Not my state but I hope it passes. Then I am sure it will be overturned by the Courts.

18 posted on 10/20/2012 11:32:23 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: annieokie

It may rob them of their power now, but what are we going to do about what they’ve done to the pension system to rob the citizens of their tax money?

What also are we going to do to reverse the absolute larceny they committed against California’s taxpayers by the corrupting influence they’ve had on politicians in getting laws passed that make public employees impossible to terminate?

As an education law attorney in California, I can tell you from my personal experience that California Teachers Association, and other public unions like them, have driven California to the brink of bankruptcy.

So my message to the unions, sit down and shut up!


19 posted on 10/20/2012 11:59:05 AM PDT by diamond6 (Freerepublic.com and Hillbuzz.org are my go to sites for conservative news.)
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To: diamond6
So my message to the unions, sit down and shut up!""""....

I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Say it again louder and often. LOL.

20 posted on 10/20/2012 12:16:32 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: BenLurkin

That’s exactly why 32 was written. To stop unions using union dues to pay for political campaigns.

It also effects corporations too.

Yes on 32!


21 posted on 10/20/2012 4:34:10 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: BenLurkin
The younger Munger has given nearly $23 million in contributions to the measure.

Unfortunately, Munger's money seems to have come in late. Here in the Frisco area, I have been hearing anti-32 commercials since August. I only recently heard a pro-32 ad. And that was on the conservative talk station KSFO! A waste of their money. Nothing on TV yet while the unions have been on the air for weeks.

It is still an important election. The tax initiatives are a lot closer and the Rats are squealing so we have a chance to vote them down. My rule is yes on 32 and 33, no everything else.

Also the state senate and assembly elections are critical. The Rats are close to a 2/3 majority there. if that happens, they can raise your taxes any time they want. Which will be all the time!

So get out and vote at least once.
22 posted on 10/20/2012 5:59:00 PM PDT by fifedom
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To: BenLurkin

The whole concept of labor unions is outdated and unnecessary, as there are loads of State and Federal laws that protect workers’ rights and safety.

The contract is between the union and the business. Nothing in the agreement indicates that the union is supposed to be heavily involved in politics and is thus able to take money from workers to support the union bosses views and LIFE STYLES.


23 posted on 10/20/2012 10:01:33 PM PDT by octex
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To: BenLurkin

I will vote yes...However, I am not sure that it will pass...
There are still too many voters in CA sympathetic to unions...

CA is having financial problems not because “rich people” are not paying enough taxes but because public sector unions are “too strong”...Unfortunately, not enough people realize that.


24 posted on 10/21/2012 11:51:17 PM PDT by L.A.Justice
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