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Story about Mitt Romney and missing child is true ( who would you prefer to vote for ?)
The Florida Times ^ | Carole Fader

Posted on 10/20/2012 11:36:46 AM PDT by dayna134

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To: entropy12

Spot on Life before money Vs politics before truth.


51 posted on 10/20/2012 2:00:55 PM PDT by dayna134
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To: ansel12

Why didn’t you ping JR with that last post? You’re always telling everyone how they just have to address any comments to anyone mentioned in the post. Hypocrite.


52 posted on 10/20/2012 2:01:41 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Tennessee Nana

Team Obama is very grateful for your support.


53 posted on 10/20/2012 2:04:19 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

“Knowing Willard he probably did..”

So you know Mitt Romney?

Or do you just know the voo doo doll you created of him to stick needles in and chant over?


54 posted on 10/20/2012 2:06:29 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Seriously, don’t post behind peoples backs by not pinging them, and no, I don’t hate Mormons, of course you would use that falsehood rather than know that the cult Mormonism is disapproved of by all Christian denominations and hopefully all Christians. It is how Pope John II made his decision on Mormonism.

To quote the Catholics:
“”By following all the rules and ordinances of God here, Mormon men and women have the potential of also becoming gods (by first becoming a good Mormon, paying a full ten percent tithe to the Mormon church, and follow various laws and ordinances of the church). “As god once was, man is. As God is, man may become” (Joseph Smith’s words). Mormons believe that there are many worlds and many gods. Each god is similar to God the Father, having the same powers and omnipotence, and even being able to create their own worlds. “Heavenly Father” is only the name of the god who rules over this world.””


55 posted on 10/20/2012 2:17:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: MacMattico

There is a point of no return with cancer that sadly is reached to many times, especially 30 years ago when this happened.
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Have you never know anyone to be healed of cancer ???

on their deatth bed ???

Is there a list of people even one whgo Willartd prayed for while he was a “pastor” and they were healed of cancer ???

Heale3d of anything ???

Tjuose a re the feel good stories I like to hear...

When the parents started to talkjed about their son having cancer i thought they were going to say Willard had laid hands on him and he was healed...

I thought the kid would come out from behind the curain...

I was a bit confused as to the point of the story or why they were even there when no it wasnt about a healing...

strange story...unnecessary death of a 14 year old boy...

God is in the healing business...

The LORD Jesus Christ took a whipping and has stripes upon His back for our healing ...

if wee want to be healed..

If er want to just not believe God and go on and die we can do that...

God doesnt stop us..He just feels sorry for us...

Jesus said to the SyroPhenecian woman “Healing is the children’s BREAD”

Now not everyone is a child of God and she wasnt not being a Jew...

He was calling her a dog ...

But she spoke about the crumbs that fall from the children’s table that the little dogs eat...

She was talking about faith and Jeus rewarded her faith and healed her daughter...

So although Christians are entiltled to that same healing as Jews, having been born again and adopted as children of God and grafted into the vine, anyone else with faith can be healed too...

even the 14 year old son of unbelieving Mormon parents...

Kathrine Kuhlman used to go to big hals to preachthe Gospel and pray for people to be saved and healed and delivered from devils...
She was preaching oine cold wonters night in a hall and it was snowing outside...

The street walkers would stop into the lobby to get warm..

One could hear Kathrine speaking about jesus being our healer and she asked one of the men when he stepped out of the auditorium about it...

She sadi that she was sick in her body and needed healing ..she asked if what that lady was sayoing was right and would jesus healed anyone, even a prostitute like her...

The man said yes Jesus woould heal her if she believed He would...

The street walked said OK she believed that Jesus would heal her...

and she was instantly healed...

did ehs repent and get saved ???

No she went back out into the night and the street afgain, but she was miraculously healed...

Amazing Grace is just like that...

Theres nothing spiritual or hiogh minded or superior about dying of a disease when you dont have to...

What are you going to do if you just happen to see Jesus ???

Ask Him why He didnt heal you ???

all He will do is quietly turn around anbd let His robe slip down so you can see the wounds on His back...

Now you mentioned 30 years...

well its been 17 years since Jesus healed me of cancer...

and i was on the cancer ward when it happened...

In hospital to have an operation to take out my vocal cords to slow it down...

But i had my death sentence and there was no hope ...

Ah except for jesus ...

Over 3 weeks they preparted mer for the operation 4 times and each time they put it off for a feww more days...

I kept telling them I needed my vocal cords to preach and sing and worship my Jesus and they woulod say ...now get this because its important what other people say to you and about you...

they would say “OK dear Whatever you say”

abnd I would say “I say Jesus is healing me. I shall live and not die”

They would turn away shaking their heads but i was full of joy and believing that my LORD Jesus was fixin to give me a miracle...the miracle I had prayed for and believed for for many months as the cancer got worse and worse and they fginally said no hope...

My husband would bring our little children down to the hospital in the weekends and they needed me...

children nedd their mothers...

its not God’s plan to deprive little children of their Mommies or Daddies...

thats a dumb idea from the pits of Zhell...

Anyhoo i said all that because someone needed to read what a real testimony is and needs to know that Jesus will heal them too...

HEY!!!

if He will heal me whom you think so inferior to your own superior self, why hasnt He healed you oh high and mighty ???

Well its not His idea or fault ...

Its you and that unbelieving building you go to on Sundays...

Hes done EVERYTHING needed to heal you...

You dont have to get good enough...He died for those sins of yours...

You just have to believe that He will...

Its unfortunate that that poor 14 year old boy didnt have someone around him that knew that...


56 posted on 10/20/2012 2:21:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MacMattico; Jim Robinson

I didn’t ping JR for probably the same reason you didn’t, it seems silly to ping him to every non-significant mention of him as freerepublics owner, he would receive constant pings.


57 posted on 10/20/2012 2:29:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: ansel12

EXACTLY. But you always make a big deal out of it if it’s someone else that doesn’t do it.


58 posted on 10/20/2012 2:40:27 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Tennessee Nana
Willard instead goes and helps the boy WRITE HIS WILL...
Thats the most calous unsympathetic thing I ever heards of...
instead of bringing comfort and life to the boy he encouraged him to die...
someone ought to tell Willard that if he is going to steal the valor of a real pastor he might want to at least pretend and go through the motions...
I never heard of a real pastor helping someone write a will...

Are so embittered with life that you pervert and twist this story for your own validation? For substantiation of some erroneous belief? To disagree, with Gov Romney for whatever reason is perfectly acceptable. Yet to set forth a twisted ‘slant’ of the man’s contributions, of peace, comfort, caring, to the boy’s family has a Saul Alinsky touch to it.

To paraphrase Paul Harvey…here’s the rest of the ‘true’ story….

The most extraordinary story of the GOP convention
Byron York,,, Chief Political Corresponden
Washington Examiner, August,31 ,2012

Emphasis mine

“……Ted and Pat Oparowski, a couple who lived in Medford, Massachusetts in the 1970s. They knew Romney from church, and when their 14 year-old son David was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s disease in 1979, Romney visited the boy regularly. “They developed a loving friendship,” Pat Oparowski said, recounting the many times Romney came to see her and her son.

David Oparowski’s cancer was terminal. During one visit, Mrs. Oparowski recalled, “David, knowing Mitt had gone to law school at Harvard, asked Mitt if he would help him write a will. He had some prize possessions that he wanted to make sure were given to his closest friends and family. The next time Mitt went to the hospital, he was equipped with his yellow legal pad and pen. Together, they made David’s will. That is a task that no child should ever have to do. But it gave David peace of mind. So after David’s death, we were able to give his skateboard, his model rockets, and his fishing gear to his best friends. He also made it clear that his brother Peter should get his Ruger .22 rifle. How many men do you know who would take the time out of their busy lives to visit a terminally ill 14 year old and help him settle his affairs?”

“David also helped us plan his funeral,” Pat Oparowski continued. “He wanted to be buried in his Boy Scout uniform. He wanted Mitt to pronounce his eulogy, and Mitt was there to honor that request. We will be ever grateful to Mitt for his love and concern.”

It was an extraordinary story, seldom mentioned in the press, and it left many in the hall in tears. “You cannot measure a man’s character based on the words he utters before adoring crowds during times that are happy,” said Ted Oparowski. “The true measure of a man is revealed in his actions during times of trouble — the quiet hospital room of a dying boy, with no cameras and no reporters.”……

I was not a supporter of Gov Romney in any way. Thought the lesser of two evils was still evil. As of this past Summer was going to leave the Presidential ballot block unchecked. But I have since learned more about Gov Romney, more about his persona, more about his humanness.

59 posted on 10/20/2012 2:48:27 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Tennessee Nana

My father’s best friend died of Cancer at 35 and there was nothing that could be done after a certain stage. His family prayed, we prayed, he was a wonderful man but knew it was his time to go, and that God had made that decision. He made a Will. Sometimes God’s answer to your prayers is to call you home and relieve your earthly pain. But in your twisted logic you make it sound like Romney made a Will for the boy and did nothing to comfort him or to pray for him. How the heck would you know that? I’m glad your cancer is in remission and is hopefully completely gone, that doesn’t mean good people don’t succumb to cancer everyday. Your logic is unreasonable and actually quite offensive.


60 posted on 10/20/2012 2:52:48 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

and did nothing to comfort him or to pray for him. How the heck would you know that?
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The boys dead...

Wilard claimed to be the boys pastor, meaning his spiritual authority...

Authority is important to God...

Where was Willard’s ???


61 posted on 10/20/2012 2:59:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MacMattico

My God, are you for real?

You don’t see the difference between not pinging a single freeper that you are attacking versus thousands of freepers pinging the owner of the forum every time that his name, or a general comment about FR is made?

Do you ever address the issues, the actual facts posted or is this nonsense and chit chat, and personal attacks all that you do?


62 posted on 10/20/2012 2:59:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: MacMattico

I didnt say the canser is in remission...

said it was GONE...

The doctors couldnt find any in my body anymore...

I had put 17 it was 27 years,,,1985...

I have been cancer free since then...

Praise His holy Name...

Jesus

the Name that is above all names...

If He healed me why would He not heal anyone else...

what is offe3nsive is to not believe Him for healing...

what is offensive is to pretend to be a pastor and then not pastor...

I realize Willard never did go to school to be trained as a pastor and taught how to minister ...

Its insulting and offensive for him to claim he was ever a pastor..


63 posted on 10/20/2012 3:06:49 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ansel12

Then why’d you ping him as soon as I mentioned your hypocrisy? I was pointing out that it’s YOU that goes running to JR every time some one mentions his name. You really must have hated it when he announced he was voting for Romney. Did you call him names, too?


64 posted on 10/20/2012 3:12:26 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Evidently I was correct in post 62, “Do you ever address the issues, the actual facts posted or is this nonsense and chit chat, and personal attacks all that you do?”


65 posted on 10/20/2012 3:16:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

In medical terms your cancer is in remission, and because of the length of the remission there is a high probability it is gone. I honestly hope you never have a life threatening illness again.

But that has nothing to do with Mitt Romney and the boy that passed away. You can’t pray all disease away. Are you trying to tell me you don’t know of one good Christian by whatever you define Christianity as that has passed away from a disease? Everyone you know has been cured by your or their prayer? Come on. Is your position Mitt Romney didn’t pray the right way so the boy died? That’s ridiculous.


66 posted on 10/20/2012 3:26:18 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Your logic is unreasonable
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OK lets look at it this way...

you said it was hard to get healled of cancer 30 years ago..

but the LORD Jesus Christ took those stripes on His back 2,000 yeas ago and showed us how to pray for the sick and told us to do the same...

and to keep on doing the same until He came again..

so since He has tarried and not come again as yet...

and since Jesus is God and God is not a man that He should lie...

what has happened in your world to cause His healing power to cease ???


67 posted on 10/20/2012 3:28:27 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MacMattico

In medical terms your cancer is in remission
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and in God’s Words I am healed and completely made whole...

Jesus didnt allow them to whip Him for remission of anything...


68 posted on 10/20/2012 3:31:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MacMattico

Mitt Romney didn’t pray the right way so the boy died?
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Well I dont know3 if he even prayed but yes...

He claims now he was a pastor then...

pastors pastor...

He doesnt seem to have done so...

and pastors dont retire they refire...

Was he fired instead ???

I think I already asked you to list me somreone whom Willlard prayed for and they got healed of a life threatening disease...miraculously

did you ever find one ???


69 posted on 10/20/2012 3:37:49 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

You refuse to answer the question. No one you know has ever died of a disease, you’ve prayed them all back into health? If they do die of a disease, is it because they weren’t good Christians? Are they all in hell?

Ever volunteer at a Hospice? Open your eyes lady!


70 posted on 10/20/2012 3:40:30 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’ll ask Romney next time I call. /S


71 posted on 10/20/2012 3:42:14 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Tennessee Nana

By your logic, why do Pastor’s preside over funerals? Why don’t they just pray their parishioners all back into good health? Your not making sense.


72 posted on 10/20/2012 3:45:55 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

You can’t pray all disease away
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Too late to tell me that...

I can and have...

You need to get out a little ...

Jeus prayed all disease away in the people He prayed for...

Praying to get rid of all disease has been going on since themn...

in small ways and now in the last hundred or so years in big ways...

I know of lots of people who were healed of cancer and other diseases...

and yes I know of people who died ...

But I will say that was not God’s perfect plan for them...

Theres not a thing we can do for God after we are gone from the Earth...

He needs us here...

Theres no preaching the Gospel or helping people in Heaven...

Heaven is perfect...no sickness no needs...

Did they go to Heaven if they were born again ???

Yes I believe they did...

But people are getting healed all the time...

and of cancer and other diseases...AIDS etc

Its God’s desire to heal people...


73 posted on 10/20/2012 3:49:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Ok, so now we're getting down to the nitty gritty of your argument.

Only those that believe exactly as you can pray away their illnesses. Is that it? And as a Catholic I'm going to hell? I'm sure God appreciates your passing judgment on others.

74 posted on 10/20/2012 4:02:00 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico; Sigurdrifta

Nah, can’t be the same person. Ansell is articulate.


75 posted on 10/20/2012 4:03:33 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: MacMattico

I define “my” Christianity by the Bible...

If its in there I believe it...

Every Word in the Bible is truth...

It sounds like these questions of yours can only be answer5ed by the Words of God in the Bible...

I dont know how much you may have read of the Christian Bible...

but faith in God makes no sense to the secular mind...

God coming down from Heaven to be born as a human baby of a young virgin makes no sense...

Jesus turning water into wine makes no sense...

Jesus walking on the water makes no sense...

Jesus healing the blind the deaf the dumb makes no sense...

Jesus healing the lepers and all those afflicted with disease makes no semse...

Jesus casting out devils and delivering people makes no sense..

Jesus bring back to life Jarius’ daughter and Lazarus makes no sense...

Jesus laying down His life for us makes no sense...

Jesus allowing them to whip Him till chunks of His flesh was ripped from His body for our healing makes no sense...

Jesus allowing them to hang Him on the Cross where he bled and died for our salvation makes no sense...

The ability to be born again through the shed Blood of Jesus on the Cross makes no sense...

Jesus rising again the third day makes no sense...

SAnfels appearing and speaking to Mary Madgalaine about Jesus rising makes no sense...

The once dead Jesus talking to Mary and the others and eating with them for 40 days makes no sense...

The LORD Jesus Christ rising in the air to Heaven makes no sense...

Jesus healing me or anyone else of cancer makes no sense but it sure feels right...

That He will come again as he promised makes no sense...

But we must take what God has said and done by faith...

Faith makes no sense...

If it did it would not be faith...


76 posted on 10/20/2012 4:06:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Give me the name of one person cured of AIDS. One. There are those controlling the virus through medication, but that isn’t a permanent cure.


77 posted on 10/20/2012 4:06:47 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

why do Pastor’s preside over funerals? Why don’t they just pray their parishioners all back into good health?
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I dont know...

why dont you ask them ???


78 posted on 10/20/2012 4:07:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

You seem to want to avoid the question of what denomination you belong too.


79 posted on 10/20/2012 4:09:14 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Give me the name of one person Willard prayed for during his “pastor” hitch who got cured from cancer or any other disease ...


80 posted on 10/20/2012 4:09:41 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MacMattico

Good get back to me then...


81 posted on 10/20/2012 4:11:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Because the answer is obvious— all disease can not be cured by Prayer.


82 posted on 10/20/2012 4:11:17 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: T. P. Pole; ansel12

I think you’re right, unless a split personality is involved!

Look ansel, I gave you a ping when I mentioned you!


83 posted on 10/20/2012 4:16:02 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Tennessee Nana

“What a ghoul Willard is...”

TNanna—back again. what woke you from your cave? is Romney’s chances making you nervous that your Muslim-hiding-in-plain sight might actually be dethroned?

TNanna and the other religious bigots on FR are back at it again. Nanna is hoping she won’t have to give up her burka for special underwear. you see if she took off her burka we might be able to see what she really looks like on the outside, as we know what she is like from the inside for all the bile and spleen that spews forth from her crooked self righteous mouth here on FR.

TNanna hates the patriotic American who just happens to be a mormon and is our only choice to relegate our current anti-American leader to the dustbin of history.

God Save America from 4 more years of BO.


84 posted on 10/20/2012 5:41:14 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: ansel12

Thanks for the post. I don’t know the particulars of the Mormon religion.


85 posted on 10/20/2012 6:29:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: Tomato lover

Good for them TL.


86 posted on 10/20/2012 6:58:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Ok, I get it. You do not like Mormons and Romney is of Mormon faith. So what alternative are you offering? 4 more years of the radical socialist from Chicago? Barack may have attended rev Wright’s church for 20 years but I am not convinced that made him pro-USA. I am especially disgusted of his co-sponsorship of a bill allowing a baby born alive during a botched late term abortion to be killed on the spot by the abortionist. I can’t think of a more vile person than Obama.

Ding ding ding....those are the ONLY TWO CHOICES LEFT! Santorum, Newt, Cain etc. are not eligible to be on the ballot on Nov 6th. Take your pick...Romney or Obama. May be you want to start a write in campaign on Oct 20th, 2012 for another person of your choice? Good luck with that.


87 posted on 10/20/2012 7:39:53 PM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Send Obama back to Chicago/Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia wherever)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yep.
Romney helped his friend, however it has been exaggerated.
I wonder why it just can’t be a friend helping a friend, rather than this fantasy.


88 posted on 10/20/2012 9:40:20 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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