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Utica shale, below the Marcellus, contains large gas, oil reserves, study shows
The Patriot-News / The Associated Press ^ | October 6, 2012

Posted on 10/20/2012 2:34:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Drilling companies beginning to explore the Utica shale got a piece of good news Friday when the U.S. Geological Survey estimated the rock formation in Ohio, Pennsylvania and other states holds enormous reserves of natural gas and oil.

Releasing its first estimate of the Utica, the USGS calculated the shale formation holds about 38 trillion cubic feet of undiscovered, recoverable natural gas, 940 million barrels of oil and 9 million barrels of natural gas liquids like ethane and propane.

The Utica lies beneath the Marcellus shale...

(Excerpt) Read more at pennlive.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: economy; energy; fracking; gas; marcellusshale; maryland; newyork; ohio; oil; opec; pennsylvania; uticashale; virginia; westvirginia
The hits just keep on coming!
1 posted on 10/20/2012 2:34:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Marcellus shale is about 3000 feet down. Utica shale is 3000 feet deeper. Both have been well known, this just confirms that the government has caught up with what the oil and gas exploration experts have known for some time.
2 posted on 10/20/2012 2:39:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is not really new knowledge—some government bureaucrats must have been desperate to keep busy to justify their outrageous salaries.


3 posted on 10/20/2012 2:43:13 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

Or trying to figure out a way to justify their jobs during the Romney/Ryan Downsizing. .....


4 posted on 10/20/2012 2:53:59 PM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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5 posted on 10/20/2012 2:57:45 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


6 posted on 10/20/2012 3:18:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But, but... peak oil! We’re running out of energy. And, globull warming, and meteors!


7 posted on 10/20/2012 3:18:48 PM PDT by Obadiah (The corrupt MSM is the enemy of the American people.)
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To: Obadiah

‘Peak cheap light oil’ ~ there’s still plentiful expensive heavy oil somewhere ~ but the big story at the moment is natural gas. We can convert our surface transportation industry to it in short order.


8 posted on 10/20/2012 3:24:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is (obviously) way below the drinking water that wells tap into. The only contamination can come from leaks and misuse of fracking compounds so rein in the idiots (prosecute them) who ruin it for the honest gas exploration outfits


9 posted on 10/20/2012 3:29:45 PM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Marcellus shale is completely untouched in NY State. It is also untouched on federal lands in all states. There are years and years of Marcellus production before there is a need to drill deeper for Utica deposits. NY needs to get with the program. Hopefully under a Romney administration permits to drill on federal land will be issued in without delay.
10 posted on 10/20/2012 3:31:23 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For those who want to see a short 6 minute video showing how horizontal drilling and fracking is done. This includes a piece on how groundwater contamination is avoided: http://www.northernoil.com/drilling


11 posted on 10/20/2012 3:52:32 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Obama EPA is sad to hear this. So is Iran and Russia.


12 posted on 10/20/2012 4:04:58 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: ConservativeInPA

It’s nice to draw a fat paycheck and also have tons of money in the bank. That’s the situation we find ourselves in with these two reserves, not to mention North Dakota, the Barnett Shale in North Texas and all the others. I suspect the reserves in Alaska are much bigger than what has been found so far, don’t you?


13 posted on 10/20/2012 4:12:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree about AK. More than likely there are huge undiscovered reserves in AK.


14 posted on 10/20/2012 4:15:22 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Cuomo hasn’t even hired the consultants to complete the feasibility and safety studies. Jobs are going to PA, WV, and Ohio. New York just raises taxes and bridge tolls.


15 posted on 10/20/2012 4:18:37 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

If someone lives there, they have only themselves to blame. Here, we squeeze the oil out of everyone’s hair to make gasoline. LOL


16 posted on 10/20/2012 4:23:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In a discussion with a Freeper who was a protoge of the gent who did the original estimates of ANWR vs. using the 3D mapping thought of the top of his head ANWR is probably 5 times the Original estimates...


17 posted on 10/20/2012 4:24:05 PM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: SC_Pete
Cuomo hasn’t even hired the consultants to complete the feasibility and safety studies. Jobs are going to PA, WV, and Ohio. New York just raises taxes and bridge tolls.

Their was a story a while back in the NYT posted or referenced here, that they Cuomo is aware of the $ and it sounded like they were negotiating with the Greenies to give them a piece of the action or control. In the mean time they are behind the curve a few years IMHO...

I have friends just North of the 2 fields in Up-State NY, I feel for them, but I am not sorry for the ruling liberal-loons in NY that have screwed everyone in the state with this one and so many other issues like shutting down Shoreham Nuke Plant just before it was ready to go on line.

So many NY'ers are getting the Gov't they deserve, they voted for it, and so many that have had enough have left...

18 posted on 10/20/2012 4:32:39 PM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: House Atreides

Obama has always been in love with oil and gas. This is conclusive proof.

And don’t ever forget...we’ve always been at war with East Asia.


19 posted on 10/20/2012 4:36:18 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: hinckley buzzard

Correct.

Now if we can get the pantytwisters to stop fretting about hydrofracking...


20 posted on 10/20/2012 4:42:25 PM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: SC_Pete
Cuomo hasn’t even hired the consultants to complete the feasibility and safety studies. Jobs are going to PA, WV, and Ohio. New York just raises taxes and bridge tolls.

NY doesn't need feasibility and safety studies. NY needs jobs and energy. The government basically needs to butt out, with one exception. That exception is the drilling and hauling companies need to repair the roads they tear up. In PA, the DOT (PennDOT) does weekly road inspections, weather permitting during winter. The inspections are on bonded roads and the drilling and hauling companies must pay for the inspections and the repairs.

It is a real mess, especially during the spring thaw, but it is short lived. The roads get repaired relatively quickly, and given than once a well is connected to a pipeline, you would barely notice a well is there and there is no further damage to the road.

21 posted on 10/20/2012 4:43:01 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: muawiyah
The number of cars in the United States (300,000,000 minus 792,787 non-gasoline cars= 299,207,213) times the number of dollars per car to retrofit it to natural gas ($6500 for a basic system to $12,000 for a top-of-the-line installation with a high-capacity, composite fuel tank) = $1,944,846,884,500 to $3,590,486,555,992.52 to retrofit cars alone, not counting the cost for the rest of the vehicular fleet, the costs of retooling the auto industry to produce all natural gas autos, the cost of lost pre-natural gas automotive industries, the costs of increased exploration, production, storage, and delivery of natural gas, the costs of lost gasoline fueling enterprises, and about a thousand etcs.

A. Are there other uses for natural gas than transportation? Yes.
B. Are there other uses for gasoline than transportation? No.

C. Is it worthwhile spending many multiple trillions of dollars "in short order" and destroying multiple trillions of dollars of existing industries to switch from one type of fuel to another to do exactly the same thing? No.
22 posted on 10/20/2012 4:43:02 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: taildragger

He will be the RAT nominee in 2016 running against Romney. Romney will kick his butt because of his dragging his feet on economic development.

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23 posted on 10/20/2012 4:43:46 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: ConservativeInPA

Cuomo is a typical RAT who doesn’t understand the value of job creation. He wants it both ways—increasing tax revenue while kissing the butts of the GREEN LOONIES. he will be the RAT nominee for President in 2016—and Romney will end his career.


24 posted on 10/20/2012 4:48:15 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll be leaving enemy territory in a few months. Family business. :)


25 posted on 10/20/2012 4:51:47 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There are the jobs directly provided but the land owners spending those royalty checks provide jobs too. The benefits ripple out and out.
26 posted on 10/20/2012 5:11:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: aruanan

Exactly so. We have the infrastructure well developed for gasoline and either it is scrapped or duplicated with NG, neither makes much sense.


27 posted on 10/20/2012 5:21:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: aruanan
Trucks ~ in particular ~ are easily converted to the use of natural gas.

I didn't say anything about cars.

BTW, rail transport is also easily converted.

I believe work continues on creating US31/I65 into a bio-diesel route ~ that one can be rapidly converted to a natural gas corridor.

The tank is the big cost ~ for the person wanting to add natural gas to his car, but the actual conversion equipment is not terribly expensive for anyone adept at any level of automobile mechanics.

Just takes time. Converting home oil heating systems to natural gas takes about an hour as I recall.

Fur shur, the guys in Naptown, Daytona, etc. have more than their fair share of people around who've been less employed of late who'd be happy to turn your car into a fueler fit for a dragstrip FOR LESS THAN $6,500.

28 posted on 10/20/2012 5:23:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: count-your-change; aruanan

http://www.google.com/#q=can+you+convert+a+diesel+engine+to+natural+gas&hl=en&sa=X&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=vid&tbo=u&ei=DUGDUP76Beyr2AXSsICQDg&ved=0CGYQqwQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=1ac9a74ee4de457c&bpcl=35466521&biw=924&bih=459 ~ just videos on how to convert a diesel engine to natural gas. There are also two major forms ~ liquid and comparessed ~ but trucks tend to operate in delineated areas so you can build the infrastructure out as the base of demand is converted.


29 posted on 10/20/2012 5:32:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: aruanan
Some major issues with your over-simplified post.

1. Nobody said every vehicle in the US should be converted. How about allowing individuals to make the choice for themselves. You know, that weird Freedom crap?
2. $6500 per conversion drop quickly once it starts becoming commonplace. Further, when carmakers start manufacturing a significant percentage of new cars that take NG instead of gas, there is ZERO conversion cost within a few short years.
3. As NG use increases and gasoline use decreases, prices fluctuate for both, until they achieve a relative equilibrium. (This is how free market capitalism works, and is far, far, far better way to let business thrive than any other system. We once knew this reflexively as a nation.)

30 posted on 10/20/2012 5:50:14 PM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Teacher317

wish there was nat gas or oil here in New England.

But I do have wood. With a wood fired genrator I should be ok.


31 posted on 10/20/2012 5:53:20 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: aruanan

And another very crucial point... not only is it wise to have TWO resources working simultaneously (increases national security), it is also a HUGE benefit to have the influence of the Middle East cut in half (if not more), when the US and Russia continue to dominate the global natural gas market. I’d MUCH rather have to deal with Putin’s heirs than Admenijad’s in the long run.


32 posted on 10/20/2012 5:55:59 PM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; ...

Betcha Martin O’Moron Owe’Malley won’t let us drill the Utica in Maryland.

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


33 posted on 10/20/2012 6:08:39 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Since these gov’t estimates of reserves have always proven to be far too low, I believe that they will be shown very low yet again, and that the actual production ability from the Utica formations will eventually be 5-20 times higher than this.


34 posted on 10/20/2012 9:45:21 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It’s nice to draw a fat paycheck and also have tons of money in the bank. That’s the situation we find ourselves in with these two reserves, not to mention North Dakota, the Barnett Shale in North Texas and all the others. I suspect the reserves in Alaska are much bigger than what has been found so far, don’t you?

Small change...

Consider the Green River Formation:

“The Green River Formation--an assemblage of over 1,000 feet of sedimentary rocks that lie beneath parts of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming--contains the world's largest deposits of oil shale,”Anu K. Mittal, the GAO’s director of natural resources and environment said in written testimony submitted to the House Science Subcommittee on Energy and Environment.

“USGS estimates that the Green River Formation contains about 3 trillion barrels of oil, and about half of this may be recoverable, depending on available technology and economic conditions,” Mittal testified.

“The Rand Corporation, a nonprofit research organization, estimates that 30 to 60 percent of the oil shale in the Green River Formation can be recovered,” Mittal told the subcommittee. “At the midpoint of this estimate, almost half of the 3 trillion barrels of oil would be recoverable. This is an amount about equal to the entire world's proven oil reserves."

35 posted on 10/20/2012 10:36:19 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: spokeshave

Not only that, but look how far we’ve come in drilling technology since the Drake well in 1859. What will the next 50, 100 or 150 years bring? What isn’t recoverable today surely will be soon enough. It ain’t going anywhere.


36 posted on 10/20/2012 10:48:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Thanks for that excellent link.


37 posted on 10/21/2012 11:15:10 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You’re welcome.

Knowledge is power, keep that link and spread it around, there are a lot of people who are open to learning about the true nature of fracking.


38 posted on 10/21/2012 12:40:00 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: ConservativeInPA; Behind Liberal Lines

Something other than government jobs in New York; impossible. BLL what are you hearing?


39 posted on 10/22/2012 4:33:02 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Near term Obamacare 'Unit")
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother; Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; ...
BLL what are you hearing?

Enviro-wackos and NIMBYists, led by the Park Foundation, are doing their level best to stop fracking in New York.

The Park Foundation is located in, you guessed it, Ithaca, the City of Evil.


40 posted on 10/22/2012 10:14:05 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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Ping


41 posted on 10/25/2012 4:09:06 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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PA Ping!

If you want on/off the PA Ping List, please freepmail me.

If you see posts of interest to Pennsylvanians, please ping me.

Thanks!


42 posted on 10/26/2012 9:08:06 AM PDT by randita
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