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Family Spokesman: George McGovern dead at age 90
townhall.com ^ | 10/21/12 | AP

Posted on 10/21/2012 5:03:15 AM PDT by NJRighty

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — George S. McGovern, a proud liberal who argued fervently against the Vietnam War as a senator from South Dakota and suffered one of the most crushing defeats in presidential election history against Richard Nixon in 1972, died before dawn Sunday. He was 90.

A spokesman for McGovern's family, Steve Hildebrand, told The Associated Press by telephone that McGovern died at 5:15 a.m. Sunday at a hospice in Sioux Falls, surrounded by family and lifelong friends.

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1 posted on 10/21/2012 5:03:21 AM PDT by NJRighty
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To: NJRighty
I had dinner with George McGovern once. He was a very charming man. He had an odd habit of speaking while hardly moving his lips but was very good company.

Obviously I disagreed with him politically in everything but I never doubted that he was a true patriot.

2 posted on 10/21/2012 5:11:52 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: NJRighty

RIP


3 posted on 10/21/2012 5:16:19 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: NJRighty
My favorite McGovern quote:

"For many years, I wanted to run for the presidency in the worst possible way – and last year, I sure did," he told a formal press dinner in Washington.

4 posted on 10/21/2012 5:16:22 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: jalisco555

I agree. He was a nutball, but he seemed to be an honest nutball.

And right or wrong in his policies, I think he wanted what was best for America.

That makes him a patriot, IMHO.

RIP, Senator George McGovern


5 posted on 10/21/2012 5:17:00 AM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: jalisco555

He lived almost a century and saw the world change a great deal. He learned nothing from it though.

He lost in 1972 because he was out of touch with America - people thought the reason we were failing in Vietnam is because he and his party wanted peace at any price.

America’s irresoluteness signaled to its enemies the world could be made safe for Communism. McGovern was the wrong man for his time.

That’s all that needs to be said about his place in history.


6 posted on 10/21/2012 5:18:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
He lived almost a century and saw the world change a great deal. He learned nothing from it though.

I think he had a late-life conversion about the dangers of big government and high taxes and regulation. It came from his experience trying to run an inn.

7 posted on 10/21/2012 5:21:23 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555

McGovern was the first presidential candidate in whose campaign I got active (young and stupid back then)

But he was an honorable man unlike today’s democrats.

RIP


8 posted on 10/21/2012 5:24:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: NJRighty

RIP George

I praise your service during WWII

After that you went astray IMHO. But that does not undo the good you did
as a bomber pilot.


9 posted on 10/21/2012 5:24:47 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: djf
Despite the fact that he was a bleeding heart Liberal and had it wrong on many national issues he was, after all a WWII bomber pilot who flew on many missions and risked his life in war. RIP George and thanks for your patriotic service...
10 posted on 10/21/2012 5:27:27 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: NJRighty

I always respected McGovern, even if I didn’t often agree with him. He was a true hero in WW2, and by all accounts was a good family man. That counts for a lot in my book.

RIP.


11 posted on 10/21/2012 5:27:31 AM PDT by DemforBush (100% Ex-Democrat.)
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To: NJRighty

RIP to a time when Democrats knew how to lose gracefully. Of course, knowing they had a solid lock on Congress back then probably helped them maintain civility.


12 posted on 10/21/2012 5:34:35 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: NJRighty

May God have mercy on his soul.


13 posted on 10/21/2012 5:36:32 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NJRighty

His old friend Fidel has outlived him.


14 posted on 10/21/2012 5:37:17 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: NJRighty

RIP, Sen. McGovern.


15 posted on 10/21/2012 5:37:17 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: NJRighty

St. Karl at the Secular Gates of the Workers Paradise awaits. The choir sings the Internationale and George finds his eternal classless society.


16 posted on 10/21/2012 5:47:19 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: NJRighty

Good man, good life, thank you Lord.


17 posted on 10/21/2012 5:48:15 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: NJRighty

I wasn’t around back then but I’ve never understood why Nixon thought he had to pull the illegal stuff, when he was roundly kicking McGovern’s ass anyway.


18 posted on 10/21/2012 5:50:28 AM PDT by Holly_P
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To: Holly_P

Richard Nixon was NOT one of the “good guys”. Both McGovern and Johnson were responsible for changing the Democrat party from a viable political alternative to the Communist Party West.

Rest in peace George. You meant well.


19 posted on 10/21/2012 5:56:20 AM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: jalisco555

I remember him saying that if he had known how the laws he passed affected small businesses he would have never voted for them.


20 posted on 10/21/2012 5:59:01 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: NJRighty

I am struck by the tone and tenor of respect on this thread. Can you picture Democrat Underground behaving like this?


21 posted on 10/21/2012 6:00:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: jalisco555
I recall he was totally surprised at how little profit a business made and how much tax had to be paid on that profit.

He had pretty much gone through his entire life not realizing a business had expenses. He honestly thought a meal you paid for in a restaurant was almost pure profit for the restaurant.

23 posted on 10/21/2012 6:03:22 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Lazamataz

And then there’s reply 22...


24 posted on 10/21/2012 6:06:48 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: NJRighty

I was one of the few who voted for him, not because he would have made a good President, but because I was convinced Nixon and Agnew were crooks. Which they were.

That was an election with no good choices. None.


25 posted on 10/21/2012 6:18:16 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Delhi Rebels; CaribCarter
Obviously a n00b, maybe a troll.

Hey CaribCarter, we don't play obit threads like that. If dude dies, leave him be on that thread. Other threads, fair game.

Dig it. Learn it. Love it.

26 posted on 10/21/2012 6:19:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: jalisco555
He helped seed the the crop of socialism building to the crescendo of insanity we are witnessing today....he won't be missed in my household!!!
27 posted on 10/21/2012 6:19:55 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Holly_P

It was a matter of character. The insecure and corrupt do it because they CAN. Power is dangerous in the hands of such men.


28 posted on 10/21/2012 6:21:13 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Holly_P

I wasn’t around back then but I’ve never understood why Nixon thought he had to pull the illegal stuff, when he was roundly kicking McGovern’s ass anyway.


Great point. Either they were idiots or there is more to the story that we still don’t know. Probably both are true.


29 posted on 10/21/2012 6:21:34 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Lazamataz

In 1985, McGovern was lecturing at the University of Innsbruck. A director of Austrian television’s state-owned stationed contacted him to ask if he would do an interview for a documentary he was producing on Austria in World War II. He wanted McGovern to talk about what it was like bombing Austrian targets. McGovern was not inclined but finally let himself be talked into it. A woman reporter did the interview. She said that Senator McGovern was known around the world for his opposition to the war in Vietnam, and especially the bombing of South and North Vietnam. Yet he had been a bomber pilot in World War II. The reporter asked, “Senator, did you ever regret bombing beautiful cities like Vienna, Salzburg, Innsbruck, and others?”

McGovern answered, “Well, nobody thinks that war is a lovely affair. It is humanity at its worst, it’s a breakdown of normal communication, and it is a very savage enterprise. But on the other hand there are issues that sometimes must be decided by warfare after all else fails...I thought Adolf Hitler was a madman who had to be stopped.

“So, my answer to your question is no. I don’t regret bombing strategic targets in Austria. I do regret the damage that was done to innocent people. And there was one bomb I’ve regretted all these years.”

The reporter snapped that up. “Tell us about it.”

McGovern told her about the bomb that had stuck in the bomb bay door and had to be jettisoned, on March 14, 1945. “To my sorrow it hit a peaceful little Austrian farmyard at high noon and maybe led to the death of some people in that family. I regret that all the more because it was the day I learned my wife had given birth to our first child and the thought went through my mind then and on many, many days since then, that we brought a young baby into the world and probably killed someone else’s baby or children.”

When the documentary appeared on Austrian TV, the station received a call from an Austrian farmer. He said he had seen and heard McGovern. he knew it was his farm that was hit, because it was high noon on a clear day and exactly as McGovern described the incident.

“I want you to tell him,” the man went on, “that no matter what other Austrians think, I despised Adolf Hitler. We did see the bomber coming. I got my wife and children out of the house and we hid in a ditch and no one was hurt. And because of our attitude about Hitler, I thought at the time that if bombing our farm reduced the length of that war by one hour or one minute, it was well worth it.”

The television station called McGovern and told him what the farmer had said. For McGovern, it was “an enormous release and gratification. It seemed to just wipe clean a slate.”


30 posted on 10/21/2012 6:22:29 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Lazamataz

You are right Laz. du threw a virtual cyber party when Reagan died.


32 posted on 10/21/2012 6:25:29 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: NJRighty

Family press release in 3...2...1 —

George’s death-bed wish was that the country would “not turn back now” and reelect Barak Obama in November.


33 posted on 10/21/2012 6:26:50 AM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: CaribCarter; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
No, I am not a moderator, but I like to assist them informally from time to time.

Furthermore, if you have been a freeper for 15 years, you already KNOW we don't beat up on the dead on the obit threads.

Also, if you have been a freeper for 15 years, you also KNOW that having more than one screen name is verboten.

Finally, if you have been a freeper for 15 years, you have access to a time machine. FR has only been active since late 1998.

I'm going to ping post 22 for removal.

34 posted on 10/21/2012 6:30:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: catfish1957

I have to admit, I broke the informal FR rule, and posted a nastygram when Ted Kennedy died.


35 posted on 10/21/2012 6:31:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: NJRighty
One may disagree with his politics but never doubt his sincerity and bravery. He flew a B-24 for the 5th AF during WWII and completed his 25 missions over some of the most defended targets in Germany, Romania, and Austria. The man served the AF with honor and class; he was a true patriot. RIP George.
36 posted on 10/21/2012 6:32:41 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Jedidah

More or less like today’s, eh ?


37 posted on 10/21/2012 6:35:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Lazamataz
I think I did too. Problem is that 95% of our dim enemy has some redeeming qualities that deserves some level of decorum.

Sleazy perps like Teddy deserve our contempt .... even in death.

38 posted on 10/21/2012 6:36:56 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Alas Babylon!
What an amazing story!

Wars are waged by men with consciences.

This is why the next 100 years will usher in a horrible time. Machines have no conscience. And it will be machines who will wage war in the next 100 years. The results will be hideous.

39 posted on 10/21/2012 6:38:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

That is a remarkable story! Thank you for posting this.


40 posted on 10/21/2012 6:42:28 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: catfish1957
I think I did too. Problem is that 95% of our dim enemy has some redeeming qualities that deserves some level of decorum. Sleazy perps like Teddy deserve our contempt .... even in death.

There are certain communist monsters that have no redeeming qualities: Ted Kennedy, Barack Obama, Saul Alinsky, Hugo Chavez, Kim Il Jung, Fidel Castro, John McCain.... other than those, there are redeeming qualities.

41 posted on 10/21/2012 6:43:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Lazamataz
I am struck by the tone and tenor of respect on this thread. Can you picture Democrat Underground behaving like this?

To ask the question is to answer it.

Decent respect requires virtue on the part of the person who expresses it. Today's Leftists eschew all virtue, even while many of their forbears did not; that is why they so frequently lie without regret.

George McGovern was a man of a different, and a better generation. I agreed with him about almost nothing, but always respected his common decency, his bravery in war and his love of his family. RIP.

42 posted on 10/21/2012 6:46:23 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: CaribCarter

“There are a lot of brave young soldiers’ names on a black wall in Washington because this horrid man was a communist sympathizer.”

I agree with this part of your post. Only us old-timers will remember how his anti-American speaches & rantings energized the enemy to continue their fight to promote Communism.

His alliance with the leftest hippies like Jane Fonda, Jerry Rubin, Abby Hoffman, et al, did IMO cost the lives of young Americans fighting to halt the spread of Communism in SE Asia.

We’ll get flamed for our opinions. We’ll be told to “go back to DU”, blah, blah, blah. No big deal. My reverence for a former enemy of freedom evaporate when that person slams America when we needed to unite against the oppression and torture inflicted on innocent people.

Having said that, I do wish to extend my most sincere prayers to his family and loved ones, but he was in no way an “American Patriot” as some here have expressed.


43 posted on 10/21/2012 6:46:33 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: Holly_P

I wasn’t around back then but I’ve never understood why Nixon thought he had to pull the illegal stuff, when he was roundly kicking McGovern’s ass anyway.


You mean Watergate? Nixon had nothing to do with the break in. The people around him did it without his knowledge or permission. What Nixon did was lie about it and try to cover it up once he became aware of it and the media started digging into it.


44 posted on 10/21/2012 6:51:53 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: andy58-in-nh
To ask the question is to answer it. Decent respect requires virtue on the part of the person who expresses it. Today's Leftists eschew all virtue, even while many of their forbears did not; that is why they so frequently lie without regret.

Of course. I'm surprised I missed it.

George McGovern was a man of a different, and a better generation. I agreed with him about almost nothing, but always respected his common decency, his bravery in war and his love of his family. RIP.

Agreed.

Did the honor-bound Democrat of years past NOT know where the party was headed? Could they have been that blind?

45 posted on 10/21/2012 6:52:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Delhi Rebels
And then there’s reply 22...

Not any more, there's not.

46 posted on 10/21/2012 6:53:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Lazamataz

FR has only been active since late 1998.


You are in error: FR was active in 1997.

I know for I am one of the early members of FR. (12/5/97)

As far as obituarys are concerned, great joy can (and should) be expressed as an enemy who has done damage to our freedoms and country expire.

McGovern is no exception.


47 posted on 10/21/2012 6:53:40 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: vetvetdoug

He flew a B-24 for the 5th AF during WWII and completed his 25 missions over some of the most defended targets in Germany, Romania, and Austria. The man served the AF with honor and class; he was a true patriot. RIP George.


And some in here would be happy if he burns in Hell.


48 posted on 10/21/2012 6:54:30 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: DH
You are correct. '97. Brainfert. :)

As far as obituarys are concerned, great joy can (and should) be expressed as an enemy who has done damage to our freedoms and country expire. McGovern is no exception.

Yes, but we have a longstanding tradition of confining that joy to threads other than the obits.

It's one of the many things that sets us apart from D.U.

49 posted on 10/21/2012 6:56:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: NJRighty

RIP


50 posted on 10/21/2012 7:00:24 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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