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A Rogue Climate Experiment Outrages Scientists
New York Times ^ | 18 October 2012 | Henry Fountain

Posted on 10/21/2012 4:24:17 PM PDT by Lorianne

A California businessman chartered a fishing boat in July, loaded it with 100 tons of iron dust and cruised through Pacific waters off western Canada, spewing his cargo into the sea in an ecological experiment that has outraged scientists and government officials.

The entrepreneur, whose foray came to light only this week, even duped the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the United States into lending him ocean-monitoring buoys for the project.

Canada’s environment ministry says it is investigating the experiment, which was carried out with no government or scientific oversight. A spokesman said the ministry had warned the venture in advance that its plan would violate international agreements.

Marine scientists and other experts have assailed the experiment as unscientific, irresponsible and probably in violation of those agreements, which are intended to prevent tampering with ocean ecosystems under the guise of trying to fight the effects of climate change.

Though the environmental impact of the foray could well prove minimal, scientists said, it raises the specter of what they have long feared: rogue field experiments that might unintentionally put the environment at risk.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: geoengineering; iron; ironchips; irondust

1 posted on 10/21/2012 4:24:19 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

They don’t like anyone intruding into the their monopoly on “science”, especially if it shows that the ocean is a simple fix for any excess CO2.


2 posted on 10/21/2012 4:27:36 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Lorianne

What the heck is iron dust supposed to do?


3 posted on 10/21/2012 4:31:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

The dust will get wet:)

Actually is supposed to help spawn plankton. I went ahead and read the article:)


4 posted on 10/21/2012 4:38:00 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: driftdiver

"It's delicious, and nutritious too!"

5 posted on 10/21/2012 4:39:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (To bid on this tagline space: www.jeffchandlerstaglinespace.com)
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To: driftdiver
"What the heck is iron dust supposed to do?"

Feed the fish??

6 posted on 10/21/2012 4:40:03 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Cold Heart

Read the article@! thats outrageous.

spawn plankton? which will then deplete the oxygen and kill all the fish

or make the ocean rust


7 posted on 10/21/2012 4:41:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

It is supposed to cause an algea bloom which then dies when runs out of iron. The biomass then sinks trapping the carbon at the sea bottom.


8 posted on 10/21/2012 4:42:01 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Lorianne
They are out of control. In Northern Michigan they are tearing out the Boardman dam near Traverse city and managed to flood several dozen homes in the process. To make matters worse, they have contaminated the wells with industrial waste and then told people to boil the water which wouldn't work.

Dam Removal Mishap Raises More Questions, Concerns

To make matters worse, they wouldn't even allow a private investor spend his own money to maintain the dam and produce electricity.
9 posted on 10/21/2012 4:42:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Lorianne
Canada’s environment ministry says it is investigating the experiment, which was carried out with no government or scientific oversight.

No government oversight?

Oh the horror!!

10 posted on 10/21/2012 4:42:57 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Lorianne

I think it’s funny. Here some guy did something they would have been proud to take credit for, if only one of their half-witted nincompoops came up with the idea, and it had cost a half billion dollars U. S.

They demagogue the issue of global warming for twenty years, causing weak minded people to go psycho on us all, and now they’re mystified why anyone would do this.

Hey folks, break out YOUR folders dumb asses. Perhaps if you put 10,000 of your brilliant (or not) people together, they might be able to figure this one out in thirty years or so.

Most of us healthy people already have an answer.


11 posted on 10/21/2012 4:42:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Now that is good!


12 posted on 10/21/2012 4:43:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: palmer
There's this volcano just off Oregon that's just ~ like ~ FUR SHUR ~ and these Canadians imagine this guy dropping some iron dust in on top of the Juan de Fuca Plate subduction zone ~ that pushes up the Cascade mountain range, and gives rise to that volcano ~ is a rogue experiment that could change the environment.

Not likely ~ did you know the locals call that plate the "Wonder....." Plate ~ 's true!

Geology magazine had a piece a couple of years back showing how this is the plate that is dampening the mantle plume that fires up Yellowstone, while it, the plume, is destroying the plate ~ http://seismo.berkeley.edu/~rallen/pub/2007xue/XueAllenEPSL2007.pdf

13 posted on 10/21/2012 4:43:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver

Low natural levels of iron is sea water limit plankton and other plant growth. Adding iron dust is essentially fertilizer for them. More plant growth eats more CO2 and feeds more fish. Hmm, maybe we need to bring back sub warfare to fix the oceans. LOTS of iron added to the oceans during WWII.


14 posted on 10/21/2012 4:44:50 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: Lorianne
“The entrepreneur, whose foray came to light only this week,...”

Really? It was on cable t.v. He claimed he was going to be paid by clients to do something or other. Reduce CO2, grow plankton, kill plankton, cool, heat, rotate the earth or something. AND all by dumping iron in the ocean!

15 posted on 10/21/2012 4:44:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: driftdiver

There are areas of the ocean that are “deserts” because of a lack of nutrients. They won’t hurt fish because the fish don’t live there.


16 posted on 10/21/2012 4:45:20 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Lorianne

In case anybody is interested, if you google around, the FATHER of Modern Climatology (he won a Nobel Price for the advancement of the science) claimed the Ozone depletion theory (man made cause) was pure bunk, and furthermore, he said how to fix it.

He actually had iron filings dumped in the antarctic, and it proved (via the production of ozone) that he was right.

What is the problem here is junk (corrupt) science sold via state funding.

If ozone depletion (via fluorocarbons) really is a problem, then why is not chlorinated water evapiration a problem 100000X larger?????

I followed this when the “ozone hole” controversy first broke out....

BTW, there is RECORD ice right now in tha antarctic.....


17 posted on 10/21/2012 4:46:48 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: driftdiver

QUOTE:

The iron spawned the growth of enormous amounts of plankton, which Mr. George, a former fisheries and forestry worker, said might allow the project to meet one of its goals: aiding the recovery of the local salmon fishery for the native Haida.

Plankton absorbs carbon dioxide, the predominant greenhouse gas, and settles deep in the ocean when it dies, sequestering carbon. The Haida had hoped that by burying carbon, they could also sell so-called carbon offset credits to companies and make money.

Iron fertilization is contentious because it is associated with geoengineering, a set of proposed strategies for counteracting global warming through the deliberate manipulation of the environment. Many experts have argued that scientists should be researching such geoengineering techniques — like spewing compounds into the atmosphere to reflect more sunlight or using sophisticated machines to remove carbon dioxide from the air. UNQUOTE

(Salmon fsherman will do just about anything to increase their catch!)


18 posted on 10/21/2012 4:50:44 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Lorianne
These gov't types are too much.

Blah, blah, blah...

If he broke a law, charge him. Otherwise shut the 'ef up.

Idiots.

19 posted on 10/21/2012 4:55:53 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: palmer
Yes, a lot of AGW alarmists oppose geo-engineering of any sort, on the basis that it might enable us to go on using fossil fuels. By that, they betray their true intents -- to bring down modern civilization.

However, this "ocean fertilization" (like all geo-engineering) has the potential to be disastrous on a grand scale. If it works as anticipated; just a couple thousand tons or so of iron filings could remove a lot of C02 from the atmosphere. Potentially enough to set off a new ice age -- which would be a far, far worse scenario than the worst case for global warming.

To see why this is the case, look at the graph below:



Did you notice that the greenhouse effect of C02 is logarithmic. If you double the amount of C02 in the atmosphere, you only increase the greenhouse effect by about 30%. The greenhouse effect of C02 is almost maxed out (that's something the alarmists don't want you to know). However, if you reduce the amount of C02, you move to the steeper left side of the graph. Cut the amount of atmospheric C02 in half, and we're in the next ice age. Do you trust envrio-fascist fanatics to not overshoot the mark?
20 posted on 10/21/2012 5:07:05 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: DoughtyOne
The half-witted nincompoops already did it in 2004, and just published the study about it:

Fertilizing oceans with iron dust helps sink carbon: study

21 posted on 10/21/2012 5:10:30 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I’ve seen that chart and I agree, too little CO2 is much more dangerous than too much. We have to consider the fact that the earth was CO2 starved in the past million years or so. It is one of the reasons that grasses evolved (they can thrive in low CO2 conditions).


22 posted on 10/21/2012 5:11:34 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Do you have a link (site) for that graph? I’d love to have it to pass around.


23 posted on 10/21/2012 5:17:02 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Candor7

“Iron fertilization is contentious because it is associated with geoengineering, a set of proposed strategies for counteracting global warming through the deliberate manipulation of the environment. Many experts have argued that scientists should be researching such geoengineering techniques — like spewing compounds into the atmosphere to reflect more sunlight or using sophisticated machines to remove carbon dioxide from the air. UNQUOTE”

I thought the way to fix global warming was to take American taxpayer dollars and give them to 3rd world tinpot dictators in exchange for letting US companies to continue to pollute the environment and call it CO2.


24 posted on 10/21/2012 5:25:41 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
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To: drbuzzard

It’s from “Watts Up With That?” — the article comes with other graphs too, as well as a clear explanation.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/


25 posted on 10/21/2012 5:26:08 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Bookmark.


26 posted on 10/21/2012 5:39:42 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: DoughtyOne

Most people don’t know this idea has been around at least 25 years. It waspromoted as far back as the 80s, by a guy who said “give me half a tanker of iron ore and I’ll give you a new ice age”.


27 posted on 10/21/2012 5:45:22 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: mvpel

Oh brilliant. Wouldn’t you know it...


28 posted on 10/21/2012 5:51:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: mvpel

BTW: Thanks for the mention.


29 posted on 10/21/2012 5:51:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: Romulus

I wonder if these idiots understand what an ice age would do to us. It would destroy the United States ability to be the world’s leader in agriculture. Starvation would result.

It would probably hit Europe worse than us.


30 posted on 10/21/2012 5:54:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: Lorianne

I bet they were outraged .... they hadn’t been advised in advance so they could prepare the results of the experiment in advance .... global warming for sure!


31 posted on 10/21/2012 6:22:14 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: Lorianne

I worked in a shop that had a MSDS for “Iron Castings” saying it was a hazardous material.


32 posted on 10/21/2012 7:14:04 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

thanks


33 posted on 10/21/2012 7:40:47 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Lorianne
More like, they threw a fit. From what I've seen of them they're allergic to doers.
34 posted on 10/21/2012 9:08:55 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I thought the way to fix global warming was to take American taxpayer dollars and give them to 3rd world tinpot dictators in exchange for letting US companies to continue to pollute the environment and call it CO2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

One is rampantly exploitivly free and the other is fascist. But who wants extremes? Only the liberal fascists who propel situations into desperate polarization as imposed dialectic principle. So we trade one exploitaion for another based on Utopian mental masturbation about the sky falling a la chicken little, designed to destroy freedom? Eff the greens and all they stand for. I ‘ll take benevolent capitalism any day.


35 posted on 10/22/2012 2:18:55 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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