Skip to comments.The 10 most expensive cities for middle class Americans revealed (Mega Hurl)
Posted on 10/22/2012 4:15:38 AM PDT by C19fan
New Yorkers love to complain about how expensive their city is, but a new study reveals that the Big Apple is more affordable for middle class families than places like Cincinnati, Ohio, Detroit, Michigan, or Portland, Oregon. New York is the tenth most affordable major city for middle-income homes -- thanks to high median incomes and the city's expansive transportation system, according to a report by the Center for Housing Policy and Center for Neighborhood Technology. New York wasn't the only surprise on the list. The most affordable city, according to the study, was Washington, DC, which is another notoriously expensive place to live.
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Maybe they’re including the 5 boroughs
You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere. So no need to factor in auto insurance or maintenance costs. That makes every thing else more affordable. In the suburbs and rural American private transportation is simply a must of course.
They have to be on something. Their list of the 10 cheapest is utterly delusional.
Anacostia and SE DC is real “affordable”, just not real livable unless you like McDonalds with armed guards
There are many parts of NY City where having a car is almost a necessity. It aint easy getting around after 8 if you have to depend on buses, or transferring buses, to get home.
I have to agree that the Daily Mail sent some clueless git, who probably lives in Manhattan, to compile this list. NY is expensive and the quality of the grocery stores and schools outside of the fancy areas can get dodgy.
Having said that, there are many places in Queens that are quite nice and not bad to live in, but on the average, one is best go somewhere else.
True, but a fifteen minute errand (by car) turns into a two hour errand (using public transportation).
Factor in the wasted time and I don't think anyone's saving much.
The only bit of utility and truth here is the info concerning that which the overlords think is the best for the peons and peasants......
Of course without a car you never CAN drive anywhere either. You become a slave of the government, trapped on the plantation.
Also, John Rocker had it correct. When you ride public transit you get stuck sitting next to all sorts of people you'd never choose to associate with.
If you don’t mind trading quality of life, I’m sure there’s plenty of neighborhoods in DC, Cinci, Detroit, etc. that are more than affordable.
The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere.
And Id be okay with that if I could carry a gun to protect myself from the scary people you must expose yourself to if you ride the public transportation.
You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere. You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere.
There’s a lot of truth in your statement. The only such transit system I used was NYC’s and it is a fact you don’t get to choose who else is in the Subway car with you. Sometimes it’s not very fun at all! There is a reason that the Transit Cops ride the Subways.
So although there is a drop in costs due to not needing to own a car in NYC. It also makes you totally dependent on the transit system. And of course no car means no way out of the city except on foot if the transit system shuts down.
Could be, but you need to have bars on your windows, the police have no obligation to respond even if you call them multiple times (Warren v. District of Columbia) and it's illegal to defend yourself.
Like New York, it's possible to live quite well in DC. It just takes a lot more money than most of us in the 99% have.
Cincinnati has public transportation and this is one reason why I avoid it.
Woman brutally stabbed in random attack at Government Square
DOWNTOWN A woman was brutally stabbed several times and a second was punched in what Cincinnati police say were random attacks at Government Square downtown during lunchtime Tuesday.
The stabbing victim suffered a punctured lung about 1:30 p.m. at Metros downtown transit hub at Fifth and Walnut streets, just one block east of Fountain Square.
Raven, who has a long, violent criminal record, told authorities he meant to kill the stabbing victim, identified in court records as Tiara Metcalf.
...the defendant states while attempting to murder her, the victim would not hold still, and his intention was to murder her, police wrote in a sworn statement.
I went to a wedding on Staten Island recently and if that is what they consider middle class, which I am sure it is as the groom is a cop, no thank you. That place was a zoo and looked every bit as bad, if not worse, than our poorest neighborhoods.
Do you get a family discount if you have more than 3 children?
And you don't need a kitchen, either, unless you like hauling a family's worth of groceries on the subway.
And think of all that money you save not doing anything outside the city.
You don't "need" to own a car under some circumstances
However, this statement presupposes that you never need to go anywhere that isn't on the transit route. That you never need to get anything that you can't carry on the bus/railcar. That you never need to go at a time that the transit system isn't running. That you never need to get anywhere in a hurry. That you enjoy associating with the agressive panhandlers. That you never need to buy more than two bags of groceries at one time. etc. I rate your statement as 4 crackpipes out of five
NOT ONLY DO US PUMPKIN BUSKINS HAVE TO HAVE A VEHICLE WE HAVE TO SUBSIDIES THE URBAN MASS TRANSIT.
The DC system is much nicer. You certainly get the unsavories, but it is immaculate and well secured. The NYC system is awful. I was there a few years ago and it is so filthy, your eyes literally start to burn as you go down the escalator. NYC would be super expensive for me to live in as I would have to cab it most of the time.
Yes but who protects the customers? :)
Total BS. I lived in NYC for 22 years, and left in 2011. Here’s what I can relate to anyone thinking that this article depicts any semblance of reality:
1. Highest state taxes (marginal rate).
2. High local NYC tax (approaches 4%, on top of the state tax).
3. High sales tax of 8.875%.
4. Very high property taxes if you own. I paid $18K per year on my 1600 sq ft apartment.
5. If you own, very high maintenance fees. I paid $20K per year.
6. Incredibly high rents (1500 sq ft apartment in Manhattan = $5K-7K per month)
7. Incredibly high food prices, I would estimate almost 2X the national average in price.
8. Average to poor public schools, and very neighborhood-dependent. If you want to live in a neighborhood with a good school you play commensurately more in rent/cost to buy your living space. The price of private schools is astronomically high: average kindergarten tuition in Manhattan is now $36,500.
9. An extensive transit system that takes you anywhere, but incredibly CROWDED and unpleasant, and most commutes are over 30 minutes and many over an hour, especially if you live in the outer boroughs.
10. Very small living spaces, as everyone already knows. A family of 4 is literally on top of each other and with little to no storage space.
NYC is for single people (of all ages), and wealthy retirees who need less space. NYC is not for a family that makes less than $500,000 (and some would increase that number to $1 million). Most of your income goes to a government entity for at least half the year. After that point, you’re just trying to keep your head above water paying bills (utilities, tuition, etc.), rent/mortgage, maintenance fees, and groceries.
I guess that's true if you are a rat living under a bench and eating out of nearby trash barrels. It's not a life for human except maybe some 'rats.
This is nonsense. Those high median incomes are coming to a screeching halt: layoffs, salary cuts, and bonus cuts at the major banks are accelerating. That will work its way through the entire financial industry. As another indicator, property values in the region are still coming down. NEW YORK CITY GOT THE BIG BAILOUT. Now the money is gone.
Tampa has been dominated by dimocrat-controlled city government at least since the ‘80’s. Bob Martinez was the last Republican mayor while Reagan was in office. The entire city council are dimocrats.
Yeah but the average ticket price for a Yankees home game is “only” $90.21 and a fairly good seat at the Metropolitan opera for “only” around $100.
You can probably tell, I do not like big cities.
I have several (formerly) liberal friends from college that used to live in NYC. They thought NYC was the center of the universe and couldn’t contemplate living elsewhere.
Then they got jobs. Then they got transferred. One to Rochester, NY, the other two to the north-central NJ suburbs.
Now, they tell me, “what was I thinking?” And now they’re concerned about government spending.
Most large cities are festering, feral places. Good luck “living” there.
No, you just have to pay the meter anytime you are going more than a couple of blocks, and for each individual in the group. You have to pay delivery for anything larger than you can carry. You can only shop for two bags of goods at a time. No discount stores or supermarkets because you can only buy what you can carry. Oh, and let's not mention the taxes paid to support that infra structure.
When I saw Houston on the 10 least affordable, I immediately knew this thing was a joke with an agenda. Houston is the most affordable city I have ever lived in. There is no way I could support my current life style in New York with the job that I have, even considering they would pay me almost double what I currently make. 50% of the additional pay would go for taxes right off the top.
Sounds like a paid advertisement for rent controls and subsidy.
No way would I live in any of their most affordable. NYC, D.C., San Francisco? No way.
“Total BS. I lived in NYC for 22 years, and left in 2011.”
I love to visit. It’s always a hoot when I go because I always ask the cab driver I get what is so great about NYC, if they speak English...
The answer I get are typically:
1. NYC is da best
2. You can see/do anything here
3. You can see Broadway shows
4. You have all the fashion/shopping areas
5. The food is da best
6. The best sports teams
All of this from some schlub working his ass off in a taxi making maybe 40k a year to live in some hovel of an apartment usually with a few other people to share the expenses with. He has never been to a Broadway show or shopping or to the sports events in his life.
I've lived in NYC, Boston, Miami and all points, well, everywhere.....I will never live in a "city" again.
I now live in Ignacio, Colorado. Google it.
Precisely - I personally wouldn’t want to be taking my chances that the next random lunatic is right around the corner.