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The 10 most expensive cities for middle class Americans revealed (Mega Hurl)
UK Daily Mail ^ | October 22, 2012 | Michael Zennie

Posted on 10/22/2012 4:15:38 AM PDT by C19fan

New Yorkers love to complain about how expensive their city is, but a new study reveals that the Big Apple is more affordable for middle class families than places like Cincinnati, Ohio, Detroit, Michigan, or Portland, Oregon. New York is the tenth most affordable major city for middle-income homes -- thanks to high median incomes and the city's expansive transportation system, according to a report by the Center for Housing Policy and Center for Neighborhood Technology. New York wasn't the only surprise on the list. The most affordable city, according to the study, was Washington, DC, which is another notoriously expensive place to live.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bluezones; cities; housing; middle; middleclass; top10; urban
The people who put this study together must be smoking crack. You can be middle class and live in NYC if you want squeeze your family into a small 2 bedroom apartment or split level.
1 posted on 10/22/2012 4:15:46 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Maybe they’re including the 5 boroughs


2 posted on 10/22/2012 4:19:06 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: C19fan

You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere. So no need to factor in auto insurance or maintenance costs. That makes every thing else more affordable. In the suburbs and rural American private transportation is simply a must of course.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 4:21:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: C19fan

They have to be on something. Their list of the 10 cheapest is utterly delusional.


4 posted on 10/22/2012 4:23:27 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: C19fan

Anacostia and SE DC is real “affordable”, just not real livable unless you like McDonalds with armed guards


5 posted on 10/22/2012 4:24:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: drbuzzard

There are many parts of NY City where having a car is almost a necessity. It aint easy getting around after 8 if you have to depend on buses, or transferring buses, to get home.

I have to agree that the Daily Mail sent some clueless git, who probably lives in Manhattan, to compile this list. NY is expensive and the quality of the grocery stores and schools outside of the fancy areas can get dodgy.

Having said that, there are many places in Queens that are quite nice and not bad to live in, but on the average, one is best go somewhere else.


6 posted on 10/22/2012 4:28:13 AM PDT by flushing_kenny (NO, Tokyo does not glow at night..)
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To: goldstategop
"You never need to own a car in a big city."

True, but a fifteen minute errand (by car) turns into a two hour errand (using public transportation).

Factor in the wasted time and I don't think anyone's saving much.

The Kenyan must go.

7 posted on 10/22/2012 4:29:52 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: C19fan

The only bit of utility and truth here is the info concerning that which the overlords think is the best for the peons and peasants......


8 posted on 10/22/2012 4:34:10 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: goldstategop
You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere.

Of course without a car you never CAN drive anywhere either. You become a slave of the government, trapped on the plantation.

Also, John Rocker had it correct. When you ride public transit you get stuck sitting next to all sorts of people you'd never choose to associate with.

9 posted on 10/22/2012 4:35:18 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: C19fan

If you don’t mind trading quality of life, I’m sure there’s plenty of neighborhoods in DC, Cinci, Detroit, etc. that are more than affordable.


10 posted on 10/22/2012 4:37:38 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: goldstategop

“The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere.”

And I’d be okay with that if I could carry a gun to protect myself from the scary people you must expose yourself to if you ride the public transportation.


11 posted on 10/22/2012 4:39:57 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: goldstategop

You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere. You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere.


There’s a lot of truth in your statement. The only such transit system I used was NYC’s and it is a fact you don’t get to choose who else is in the Subway car with you. Sometimes it’s not very fun at all! There is a reason that the Transit Cops ride the Subways.

So although there is a drop in costs due to not needing to own a car in NYC. It also makes you totally dependent on the transit system. And of course no car means no way out of the city except on foot if the transit system shuts down.


12 posted on 10/22/2012 4:44:33 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: C19fan
"The most affordable city, according to the study, was Washington, DC, which is another notoriously expensive place to live."

Could be, but you need to have bars on your windows, the police have no obligation to respond even if you call them multiple times (Warren v. District of Columbia) and it's illegal to defend yourself.

Like New York, it's possible to live quite well in DC. It just takes a lot more money than most of us in the 99% have.

13 posted on 10/22/2012 4:46:40 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Gen.Blather; P.O.E.

Cincinnati has public transportation and this is one reason why I avoid it.

Woman brutally stabbed in random attack at Government Square
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121017/NEWS/310170051/Woman-stabbed-another-punched-Gov-t-Square?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
DOWNTOWN — A woman was brutally stabbed several times and a second was punched in what Cincinnati police say were random attacks at Government Square downtown during lunchtime Tuesday.

The stabbing victim suffered a punctured lung about 1:30 p.m. at Metro’s downtown transit hub at Fifth and Walnut streets, just one block east of Fountain Square.

Raven, who has a long, violent criminal record, told authorities he meant to kill the stabbing victim, identified in court records as Tiara Metcalf.

“...the defendant states while attempting to murder her, the victim would not hold still, and his intention was to murder her,” police wrote in a sworn statement.


14 posted on 10/22/2012 4:47:41 AM PDT by TSgt ("I've been in business for twenty five years, and I have no idea what you are talking about." - Mitt)
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To: nuconvert

I went to a wedding on Staten Island recently and if that is what they consider middle class, which I am sure it is as the groom is a cop, no thank you. That place was a zoo and looked every bit as bad, if not worse, than our poorest neighborhoods.


15 posted on 10/22/2012 4:52:30 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: goldstategop
Public transit is free?

Do you get a family discount if you have more than 3 children?

And you don't need a kitchen, either, unless you like hauling a family's worth of groceries on the subway.

And think of all that money you save not doing anything outside the city.

16 posted on 10/22/2012 4:54:17 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: goldstategop
You never need to own a car in a big city

You don't "need" to own a car under some circumstances

However, this statement presupposes that you never need to go anywhere that isn't on the transit route. That you never need to get anything that you can't carry on the bus/railcar. That you never need to go at a time that the transit system isn't running. That you never need to get anywhere in a hurry. That you enjoy associating with the agressive panhandlers. That you never need to buy more than two bags of groceries at one time. etc. I rate your statement as 4 crackpipes out of five

17 posted on 10/22/2012 4:54:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Gen.Blather

NOT ONLY DO US PUMPKIN BUSKINS HAVE TO HAVE A VEHICLE WE HAVE TO SUBSIDIES THE URBAN MASS TRANSIT.


18 posted on 10/22/2012 4:58:17 AM PDT by CHEE (if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot. - Congressman Davy Crockett)
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To: The Working Man

The DC system is much nicer. You certainly get the unsavories, but it is immaculate and well secured. The NYC system is awful. I was there a few years ago and it is so filthy, your eyes literally start to burn as you go down the escalator. NYC would be super expensive for me to live in as I would have to cab it most of the time.


19 posted on 10/22/2012 4:58:26 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: silverleaf

Yes but who protects the customers? :)


20 posted on 10/22/2012 5:03:52 AM PDT by relictele
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To: C19fan

Total BS. I lived in NYC for 22 years, and left in 2011. Here’s what I can relate to anyone thinking that this article depicts any semblance of reality:

1. Highest state taxes (marginal rate).
2. High local NYC tax (approaches 4%, on top of the state tax).
3. High sales tax of 8.875%.
4. Very high property taxes if you own. I paid $18K per year on my 1600 sq ft apartment.
5. If you own, very high maintenance fees. I paid $20K per year.
6. Incredibly high rents (1500 sq ft apartment in Manhattan = $5K-7K per month)
7. Incredibly high food prices, I would estimate almost 2X the national average in price.
8. Average to poor public schools, and very neighborhood-dependent. If you want to live in a neighborhood with a good school you play commensurately more in rent/cost to buy your living space. The price of private schools is astronomically high: average kindergarten tuition in Manhattan is now $36,500.
9. An extensive transit system that takes you anywhere, but incredibly CROWDED and unpleasant, and most commutes are over 30 minutes and many over an hour, especially if you live in the outer boroughs.
10. Very small living spaces, as everyone already knows. A family of 4 is literally on top of each other and with little to no storage space.

NYC is for single people (of all ages), and wealthy retirees who need less space. NYC is not for a family that makes less than $500,000 (and some would increase that number to $1 million). Most of your income goes to a government entity for at least half the year. After that point, you’re just trying to keep your head above water paying bills (utilities, tuition, etc.), rent/mortgage, maintenance fees, and groceries.


21 posted on 10/22/2012 5:12:25 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: goldstategop
unnecessary to drive anywhere

I guess that's true if you are a rat living under a bench and eating out of nearby trash barrels. It's not a life for human except maybe some 'rats.

22 posted on 10/22/2012 5:16:57 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: C19fan

This is nonsense. Those high median incomes are coming to a screeching halt: layoffs, salary cuts, and bonus cuts at the major banks are accelerating. That will work its way through the entire financial industry. As another indicator, property values in the region are still coming down. NEW YORK CITY GOT THE BIG BAILOUT. Now the money is gone.


23 posted on 10/22/2012 5:21:29 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: C19fan

Tampa has been dominated by dimocrat-controlled city government at least since the ‘80’s. Bob Martinez was the last Republican mayor while Reagan was in office. The entire city council are dimocrats.


24 posted on 10/22/2012 5:24:28 AM PDT by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: goldstategop
You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere.

No. But you do need friends with cars to move you and your stuff around. I lived in Chicago for three years. A wheeled grocery cart for the 3/4 miles walk to Mr. G's Finer Foods isn't so bad on a sunny day, but coming back with six bags of groceries is an issue. A mom with a husband and several little mouths to feed would have a harder time.

I remember buying a queen size mattress at an end of the academic quarter sale, and dragging it 1/2 a mile to my third floor walk up.

I remember carrying four suit cases in a heavy snow storm from train to bus and hanging out on a cold wet platform in the dead of night.

I remember a trip to the northwest side Pro-life Action League offices to close to three hours. Another trip to the Montgomery Wards in the southwest suburbs to get a Coleco Adam printer ribbon for a term paper was a day long excursion.

These days, I drive a $1.3K car, and my wife has driven an $1,800 station wagon for four and a half years. Our auto insurance is $450 for both. The only thing that kills us is gasoline, and that can be remedied by someone who doesn't have expensive energy as a national policy.
25 posted on 10/22/2012 6:04:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Yeah but the average ticket price for a Yankees home game is “only” $90.21 and a fairly good seat at the Metropolitan opera for “only” around $100.

You can probably tell, I do not like big cities.


26 posted on 10/22/2012 6:05:46 AM PDT by Holly_P
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To: C19fan

I have several (formerly) liberal friends from college that used to live in NYC. They thought NYC was the center of the universe and couldn’t contemplate living elsewhere.

Then they got jobs. Then they got transferred. One to Rochester, NY, the other two to the north-central NJ suburbs.

Now, they tell me, “what was I thinking?” And now they’re concerned about government spending.


27 posted on 10/22/2012 6:16:54 AM PDT by kidd
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To: BlueStateRightist
When my daughter was offered her "dream job" in Manhattan, we offered to subsidize her rent for a couple of years. Not a chance. The place is too unlivable even for her -- and she's a Birkenstock-wearing reincarnated California hippie from the 1960s who graduated from a well-known ultra-liberal, liberal arts college. Even she commutes to Manhattan from a Republican suburb in New Jersey.
28 posted on 10/22/2012 6:18:53 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Holly_P

Most large cities are festering, feral places. Good luck “living” there.


29 posted on 10/22/2012 6:19:21 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: goldstategop
You never need to own a car in a big city. The excellent public transit system makes it unnecessary to drive anywhere.

No, you just have to pay the meter anytime you are going more than a couple of blocks, and for each individual in the group. You have to pay delivery for anything larger than you can carry. You can only shop for two bags of goods at a time. No discount stores or supermarkets because you can only buy what you can carry. Oh, and let's not mention the taxes paid to support that infra structure.

When I saw Houston on the 10 least affordable, I immediately knew this thing was a joke with an agenda. Houston is the most affordable city I have ever lived in. There is no way I could support my current life style in New York with the job that I have, even considering they would pay me almost double what I currently make. 50% of the additional pay would go for taxes right off the top.

30 posted on 10/22/2012 6:25:51 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: C19fan

Sounds like a paid advertisement for rent controls and subsidy.


31 posted on 10/22/2012 6:47:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: C19fan

No way would I live in any of their most affordable. NYC, D.C., San Francisco? No way.


32 posted on 10/22/2012 6:47:10 AM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the time of no return?)
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To: BlueStateRightist

“Total BS. I lived in NYC for 22 years, and left in 2011.”

I love to visit. It’s always a hoot when I go because I always ask the cab driver I get what is so great about NYC, if they speak English...

The answer I get are typically:

1. NYC is da best
2. You can see/do anything here
3. You can see Broadway shows
4. You have all the fashion/shopping areas
5. The food is da best
6. The best sports teams

All of this from some schlub working his ass off in a taxi making maybe 40k a year to live in some hovel of an apartment usually with a few other people to share the expenses with. He has never been to a Broadway show or shopping or to the sports events in his life.


33 posted on 10/22/2012 7:11:30 AM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: hal ogen
Most large cities are festering, feral places. Good luck “living” there.

I've lived in NYC, Boston, Miami and all points, well, everywhere.....I will never live in a "city" again.

I now live in Ignacio, Colorado. Google it.

FMCDH(BITS)

34 posted on 10/22/2012 7:47:27 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: TSgt

Precisely - I personally wouldn’t want to be taking my chances that the next random lunatic is right around the corner.


35 posted on 10/22/2012 2:18:36 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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