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Are We In the Final Days of Marijuana Prohibition?
Reason ^ | 10/18/2012 | Zach Weissmueller & Paul Feine

Posted on 10/22/2012 9:09:50 AM PDT by Jayster

"There' a rising tide of acceptance of the fact that people are going to smoke marijuana, and it's like the prohibition against alcohol in the 1930s. There's a recognition that perhaps the laws are causing more harm than the drugs themselves," says Rick Steves, author and travel host.

Steves and others attended "The Final Days of Prohibition" conference in downtown Los Angeles in early October. The conference was put on by the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), and Reason TV was on the scene to ask about the future of marijuana laws in the U.S., particularly in the upcoming election where the states of Oregon, Washington, and Colorado all have marijuana legalization initiatives on the ballot.

About 3 minutes.

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"There' a rising tide of acceptance of the fact that people are going to smoke marijuana, and it's like the prohibition against alcohol in the 1930s. There's a recognition that perhaps the laws are causing more harm than the drugs themselves," says Rick Steves, author and travel host.

Steves and others attended "The Final Days of Prohibition" conference in downtown Los Angeles in early October. The conference was put on by the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), and Reason TV was on the scene to ask about the future of marijuana laws in the U.S., particularly in the upcoming election where the states of Oregon, Washington, and Colorado all have marijuana legalization initiatives on the ballot.

About 3 minutes.

Produced by Paul Feine and Zach Weissmueller. Edited by Weissmueller.

Scroll below for downloadable versions and subscribe to Reason TV's YouTube channel to receive automatic notification when new material goes live.

1 posted on 10/22/2012 9:09:54 AM PDT by Jayster
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To: Jayster

Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it!


2 posted on 10/22/2012 9:16:34 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Jayster

anyone remember this ad? I think it was great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_knXF_G6c


3 posted on 10/22/2012 9:17:38 AM PDT by MNDude (OWS Movement RIP)
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To: Jayster

Socialist and nihilistic cultures have to promote a society with a comatose mind, so they are easily manipulated and too lazy to protest. If it is legal, they can get more young people addicted-—the way they did with alcohol. They can glorify it is commercials and make it desirable—to really young, uneducated kids.

They want drugs-—just like the British pushed opium on the Chinese.

They don’t want sharp minds like the Jefferson/Franklin/Washington/Paine/Lincoln variety. Thinking people are dangerous to totalitarian states-—they need zombies.


4 posted on 10/22/2012 9:17:40 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: dalereed
Heil DEA!
5 posted on 10/22/2012 9:20:52 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: savagesusie

There’s certainly a segment of society that seems to think its the single most important issue of all time.


6 posted on 10/22/2012 9:23:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: dalereed

Yes, a murderous, totalitarian government is really what we need.


7 posted on 10/22/2012 9:27:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Jayster; cripplecreek

Just wait until Madison Avenue starts actively promoting it.

De-criminalized is one thing. Legal is a whole ‘nother can of worms.


8 posted on 10/22/2012 9:28:04 AM PDT by marron
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To: dalereed

You can’t be serious.


9 posted on 10/22/2012 9:28:04 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Jayster
3 views on whether states should legalize marijuana

10 posted on 10/22/2012 9:28:18 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: cripplecreek

Isn’t that true about lots of segments of society and their particular issues?


11 posted on 10/22/2012 9:29:11 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Jayster

The war on drugs was lost a long time ago. Nevertheless, illegal narcotics are the fuel for a powerful parallel underground economy as well as the day to day law racket. Because of the money, everyone except the duped dopers have a vested interest in the continued prohibition and consequent high prices of narcotics. Marijuana is going to remain illegal in most of the country and in federal law. Politicians, producers, pushers, LEOs and the defense bar all benefit from the status quo.


12 posted on 10/22/2012 9:30:11 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: savagesusie

Marijuana was readily available during their time. Those who preferred to keep a clear mind chose not to use it. Our founding fathers decided that each person was sovereign citizen capable of making that decision on his/her own.


13 posted on 10/22/2012 9:30:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Jayster; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp; tubebender

Before, I post this.

I’m against Marijuana and will continue to be.

However, the feds under Obozo and his fast and furious AG, Holder, are cracking down and closing the previously approved MJ clinics/providers out here in California.

Makes one wonder how much money the Mexican Drug Cartel, the Asian drug gangs and our drug lords are contributing to re elect Obozo, Holder and the other Chicago thugs to close down those approved mj providers.


14 posted on 10/22/2012 9:32:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Jayster

The problem is when the “War on Drugs” infringes on the first 10 amendments to the constitution.

Thereis a reason that the initial prohibition of alcohol took A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, and why less than 100 years later we didn;t need one to declare a “war on drugs” it shows how far the power of the constitution has been eroded by the progressives...

Also because we don’t hold people to their consequences of their actions due to the welfare state, we can make the argument that we can ban things for the “common good”...

Just keep living the Fabian dream Americans...


15 posted on 10/22/2012 9:34:43 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: dalereed

[ Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it! ]

A Police State is a safe state, it is a miserable state, but the commisar will tell you you are safe!


16 posted on 10/22/2012 9:35:23 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Marijuana was readily available during their time. Those who preferred to keep a clear mind chose not to use it. Our founding fathers decided that each person was sovereign citizen capable of making that decision on his/her own.

NAILED IT!

We should have kept it legal and people who ruined their own lives with it shouldn’t have been bailed out by the government for their horrible life choices using the welfare state.

Stepping over a zonked out druggie on the street is a good lesson to show your kids WHAT drugs do to you.


17 posted on 10/22/2012 9:37:32 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: marron
De-criminalized is one thing. Legal is a whole ‘nother can of worms.

I personally think the pro legalization crowd would be a lot smarter to push decriminalization rather than legalization. Legalization brings regulation, taxation and corruption.

I must admit that I do enjoy the infighting they fall into with "medical" marijuana dispensaries pop up all over town. It doesn't take long for one owner to figure out that tugging the ears of a few city council members can be helpful in eliminating some of the competition.
18 posted on 10/22/2012 9:39:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: savagesusie
They don’t want sharp minds like the Jefferson/Franklin/Washington/Paine/Lincoln variety.

Washington distilled spirits when he was at Mt. Vernon, and bought *lots* of beer when he was President.

19 posted on 10/22/2012 9:40:10 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: GraceG
because we don’t hold people to their consequences of their actions due to the welfare state, we can make the argument that we can ban things for the “common good”...

I always say that legalizing drugs would be OK with me -- provided that the safety net and social programs go away first. I'd like a society in which there was a strong incentive to be a responsible, productive person. If you can meet that threshhold AND take drugs, then fine: it's none of my business.

But while my paycheck is skimmed off to pay for programs to benefit people who have spent their lives kicking back in a drug-induced haze and contributing nothing to society -- while I pay for their livlihood, I am not inclined to say: "Your choices are none my business".

20 posted on 10/22/2012 9:40:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: dalereed
You make the rest of us who think look bad. Too bad that stupidity doesn't hurt.

Something to consider: Have you ever seen two stoners get in a fight? I've seen plenty of drunken brawls, but...

It's an unfortunate fact that a segment of humanity can't face reality, and feels better when everything is fuzzy around the edges. Killing all these drunks and stoners isn't a functional solution. Using the Federal Government to artificially keep prices high hasn't worked, and has made the judicial system and law enforcement irreparably corrupt.

So droolers like you say, "Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it!"?, (And you omitted a comma. I'll let you search for it.)

Thanks for your comment. As we used to say, to stupid people who came up with idiocy, and that we didn't want to offend out loud, "It will be staffed..."

21 posted on 10/22/2012 9:40:39 AM PDT by jonascord (Democrats are the people on the Left Side of the IQ Bell Curve.)
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To: dalereed

“Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it!”

Sounds like the Taliban to me...


22 posted on 10/22/2012 9:40:39 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Codeflier

Dead serious!


23 posted on 10/22/2012 9:41:18 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: marron

Just wait until Madison Avenue starts actively promoting it.

De-criminalized is one thing. Legal is a whole ‘nother can of worms.

Well I would say pot smokers are less likely to even be bothered to go vote.


24 posted on 10/22/2012 9:43:25 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Jayster

Legalize marijuana, but ban cheeseburgers....that is where things are heading. There will never be a reduction in the nannystate, only changes in what is forbidden.


25 posted on 10/22/2012 9:43:55 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: GranTorino

Heil DEA!

and the TSA!!!!


26 posted on 10/22/2012 9:45:00 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Lurking Libertarian

But marijuana acts differently on the mind and for much longer periods.....and destroys incentive. I know brilliant older men who drink beer every day and work hard, whose brain remains sharp. Not so with marijuana—they become really goofy and lazy. Water was not that safe back in colonial days.


27 posted on 10/22/2012 9:48:18 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I always say that legalizing drugs would be OK with me — provided that the safety net and social programs go away first. I’d like a society in which there was a strong incentive to be a responsible, productive person. If you can meet that threshhold AND take drugs, then fine: it’s none of my business.

But while my paycheck is skimmed off to pay for programs to benefit people who have spent their lives kicking back in a drug-induced haze and contributing nothing to society — while I pay for their livlihood, I am not inclined to say: “Your choices are none my business”.

That is the kind of “Grand Bargain” that I would be for, Ok, no more Welfare state, but drugs are legalized and regulated like alcohol!

I would also take only a legalization of only marijiana and mandatory randome drug tests for welfare state recipients whose benefits can be revoked permanetly if they test positive...


28 posted on 10/22/2012 9:49:06 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: dalereed

“Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it!”

And booze, YES, Booze! Touch it and your head explodes! Hell, fried foods, that, too! And meat! Yes, Meat! Touch it and your head explodes!

It’s not your job to tell the rest of us what we can and cannot touch.


29 posted on 10/22/2012 9:49:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: marron

my reasons for decriminalization are simple....

the penalties for personal use cause more harm than the drug itself...


30 posted on 10/22/2012 9:49:46 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
There’s certainly a segment of society that seems to think imposing their will on others is the single most important issue of all time.

And it baffles me that this is most evident with those who otherwise consider themselves supporters of freedom and liberty. No-knock forced entry, shooting the dog, false imprisonment, confiscation of assets - yes thats all OK as long as we keep people from making stupid decisions for themselves.

I understand the Lefties wanting to control others but when that totalitarian urge comes from conservatives...

31 posted on 10/22/2012 9:53:26 AM PDT by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: Jayster

What this country needs are more people too cowardly to face reality. Cowardice has always been highly valued by every culture throughout time.


32 posted on 10/22/2012 10:01:54 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: HerrBlucher
Legalize marijuana, but ban cheeseburgers....that is where things are heading.

Exactly!

While they're more than happy to scream "Kill all the druggies!", they'll blubber like babies when government uses that same power to make chocolate or cheeseburgers illegal.

.....because it's for the 'common good'.

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If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.
---Thomas Jefferson

33 posted on 10/22/2012 10:05:36 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: dalereed

“Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it!”

I’m certain that you can cite the clause in the Constitution that premits this.


34 posted on 10/22/2012 10:06:09 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: dalereed

“Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it!”

I’m certain that you can cite the clause in the Constitution that permits this.


35 posted on 10/22/2012 10:06:35 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: GraceG
Heil DEA!

and the TSA!!!!

and the EPA!!!!

36 posted on 10/22/2012 10:06:46 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: corkoman
I understand the Lefties wanting to control others but when that totalitarian urge comes from conservatives...

The notion that someone is actually enjoying himself.

37 posted on 10/22/2012 10:11:05 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Jayster

I really enjoy Rick Steves travel episodes on PBS—and I will admit he certainly has seen far more of the world than I have & most of us here on FR have been able to do so.

However- I totally disagree with his position on marijuana.

Let’s say that any one of you here on Free Republic are my partner in a business——We will share our abilities & responsibilities.

We own a sand & gravel business—

We have 4 trucks & 4 employees who drive those trucks—

Each truck has a total gross weight, loaded, of about 90,000 pounds. 45 tons.

You- my partner—does the phones with customers, the dispatching, the acquisition of more material sources, and keeps a sharp eye on the drivers and truck maintenance.

I do all the bookkeeping, some of the dispatching and keep the paperwork straight.

IF marijuana is legalized, what happens to my liability insurance & my personal liability if one of those trucks is involved in a crash?

A 90,000 sand/gravel truck is a huge difference against a 1800 pound KIA or similar. The KIA will look like a June Bug squashed.

A sand/gravel truck which was EMPTY hit an Amtrak train not far from where I live in N Nevada & DERAILED the train & I forget how many were killed/hurt. Truck driver for sure was killed.

I don’t see a single insurance carrier in the world carrying any insurance coverage for any business if the driver’s cannot be fired, or suspended for marijuana usage. IF they would give me coverage, the premium would not be in the budget.

It would be the same if we were running an auto parts house & had 4 drivers delivering auto/truck parts to local service locations. Small trucks.

Or a florist shop with 4 drivers delivering flowers to funeral homes, hospitals, weddings, birthday parties, etc. NId-sized van.

We cannot run our business without liability insurance & we cannot afford to be ‘self-insured’ on this topic.

At least currently, I can do drug testing and screen applicants & try our best to eliminate a problem before it hits us.


38 posted on 10/22/2012 10:11:17 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Jayster

The booze prohibitionists realized that they needed a Constitutional amendment to ban booze. Modern drug prohibitionists are as bad as liberals in this respect. If the Constitution does not empower the government to do what they want, then, the Constitution must be a living breathing document that doesn’t really mean what it says, mostly because they are too !@#$%^&ing lazy to amend it.


39 posted on 10/22/2012 10:11:37 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: GraceG

You show me somebody who uses Valium, Xanax, Zoloft, Hydrocodone, Vicodin and alcohol and I’ll show you a zonked out druggie.


40 posted on 10/22/2012 10:13:39 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: dalereed
>"Better yet the automatic execution of any one that uses it!"

Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln.....

41 posted on 10/22/2012 10:14:29 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: marron
Just wait until Madison Avenue starts actively promoting it.

I can just imagine ads for Magic Brownie Mix......

42 posted on 10/22/2012 10:15:31 AM PDT by stboz
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To: ridesthemiles
Your scenario involves questions of liability in vehicular accidents where the vehicle operator - presumably your employee - was intoxicated at the time of the accident, and I assume therefore bears the responsibility for the accident.

Operating a vehicle in an intoxicated state seems to be the issue here. Does it make a material difference if the vehicle's operator became intoxicated from alcohol or marijuana?

43 posted on 10/22/2012 10:17:03 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: ridesthemiles

Alcohol is legal.

You can fire someone for abusing alcohol.

Your point is invalid.


44 posted on 10/22/2012 10:17:55 AM PDT by Jayster
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To: ridesthemiles
I don’t see a single insurance carrier in the world carrying any insurance coverage for any business if the driver’s cannot be fired, or suspended for marijuana usage.

The driving-impairing drug alcohol is legal, yet businesses can get insurance coverage.

45 posted on 10/22/2012 10:18:38 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: dalereed
On the other hand, Obama is headed for a cliff, and even long time trolls who have been just smart enough to keep their heads down for a long time, mayhap they are starting to come unwired?

Is this "Kill 'em all" trolling a feeble attempt to put a turd in the punch bowl?

46 posted on 10/22/2012 10:18:49 AM PDT by jonascord (Democrats are the people on the Left Side of the IQ Bell Curve.)
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To: blueunicorn6
What this country needs are more people too cowardly to face reality.

They'll be braver if we keep marijuana illegal? Would they become braver still if we re-banned the drug alcohol?

47 posted on 10/22/2012 10:21:11 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ridesthemiles

Just as we do with inebriates, we can have severe penalties in place for operating under the influence of marijuana. Legalizing this mild drug should reduce somewhat the recent rise of totalitarianism in this country.


48 posted on 10/22/2012 10:23:24 AM PDT by ladyrustic
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Yes, a murderous, totalitarian government is really what we need.”

We’ve had that for years.


49 posted on 10/22/2012 10:25:17 AM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Jayster

Meanwhile, tobacco is under attack.


50 posted on 10/22/2012 10:27:16 AM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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