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Scientists convicted of manslaughter for failing to warn of earthquake
Manchester Guardian ^ | Monday 22 October 2012 14.05 EDT | (Associated Press)

Posted on 10/22/2012 1:10:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai

An Italian court convicted seven scientists and experts of manslaughter on Monday for failing to adequately warn citizens before an earthquake struck L'Aquila in central Italy in 2009, killing more than 300 people.

The court in L'Aquila sentenced the defendants to six years in prison. Each is a member of the country's Grand Commission on High Risks. …

Scientists worldwide had decried the trial as ridiculous, contending that science has no reliable way to predict earthquakes.

Among those convicted were some of Italy's most prominent and internationally respected seismologists and geological experts, including Enzo Boschi, former head of the country's Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology. "I am dejected, desperate," Boschi said after the verdict. "I thought I would have been acquitted. I still don't understand what I was convicted of." …

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; earthquake; earthquakeindictment; earthquakeverdict; earthquakewarning; italy; seismology; volcanology
This is a twisted verdict. Reflects the twisted society there.
1 posted on 10/22/2012 1:10:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sadly misplaced priorities. This comes not long after an asbestos factory owner got 20 years. On the other hand, some Red Brigades terrorists got just 20 to 25 years. Another notorious bank robber and killer from the 1970s, Renato Vallanzasca, is out on a work furlough program.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 1:15:38 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Olog-hai
Thanks for the update.

I just hope THEY realize the consequences of such verdict.

4 posted on 10/22/2012 1:16:46 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Olog-hai

WOW Imagine how they would treat Christ if he walked into the middle of that!


5 posted on 10/22/2012 1:19:36 PM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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After the seismologists, next up are the weathermen. /S


6 posted on 10/22/2012 1:20:23 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Olog-hai

The science community has the gall to have spent the past twenty five years pronouncing on global warming with final authority so why should they get away with not being able to predict earthquakes?


7 posted on 10/22/2012 1:20:59 PM PDT by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Olog-hai

And the captain that sunk the cruise ship is suing for his job back. Welcome to Italy!


8 posted on 10/22/2012 1:20:59 PM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: rfp1234

So they are doing ex post facto convictions too. Sounds like burning at the stake might not be too far behind.


9 posted on 10/22/2012 1:21:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

And they rebuilt in the exact same location as the earthquake. I’ll save them the trouble. There will be another earthquake in the exact same place in the next 100 years.

Do they convict weather forecasters for not predicting storms? It rained and spoiled my picnic. You go to jail. Sorry. The warnings or lack of them are on a “use at your own risk” basis.

Do they convict forecasters for a warning that does not materialize? Do they get a suspended sentence?

All earthquake scientists should go on strike and refuse to say anything until these idiotic convictions are rescinded.


10 posted on 10/22/2012 1:22:30 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Olog-hai

It’s not really that twisted. If “scientists” insist on taking control of our lives and fortunes based on their prognostications on issues such as “Global Warming”, then they better be prepared to take the heat when they are wrong!?
[/partially facetious]


11 posted on 10/22/2012 1:23:17 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Olog-hai
This is like having a bunch of people standing ona freeway, then convicting somebody else for their deaths who was trying to figure out the timing of the traffic lights.
12 posted on 10/22/2012 1:23:32 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: the_Watchman

...yep, let these twinkies suffer the slings and arrows for their lock-step idolation at the altar of “global warming...


13 posted on 10/22/2012 1:28:30 PM PDT by telstar12.5 (...always bring gunships to a gun fight...)
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To: Olog-hai

Scientists want to be the West’s secular all knowing gods...so here it is, god, fix everything.

Pretending to be the know-it-all gods in life, may not be such a great idea. Remove socialism and atheist (Marxism) activism from science. Go back to being mere mortals who don’t know everything about everything.


14 posted on 10/22/2012 1:29:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: I want the USA back

:: Do they convict weather forecasters for not predicting storms? ::

Too little, too late. Obamugabe could have sued TWC for inaccurately forecasting rain and forcing him to retreat to his smaller venue during the DNC.

SCOTUS wold have upheld citing “precedent in international law”.


15 posted on 10/22/2012 1:33:45 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Exactly what I was thinking. Should open the way to convict judges and politicians of every stripe when they fail to anticipate and safeguard the public against the ill/disastrous effects of their decisions, rules and regulations.


16 posted on 10/22/2012 1:34:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: the_Watchman

Whereas I think this trial is egregious, I have to agree with your premise. I don’t know about Italy, but in the US there are way too many liberals among scientists - especially at the University level. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.


17 posted on 10/22/2012 1:35:18 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Olog-hai

Of course they won’t persecute the anti-DDT scientists for genocide either.


18 posted on 10/22/2012 1:35:42 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: LibWhacker
Should open the way to convict judges and politicians

But it also means they will implement MORE rules and regulations to cover their butts...................
19 posted on 10/22/2012 1:36:15 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: Olog-hai

From the nation that brought you Gallileo...


20 posted on 10/22/2012 1:47:53 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (On Sesame Street, Obama is brought to you by the letter O and the number 16 billion. - Mitt Romney)
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To: SunkenCiv

Quite peculiar.....


21 posted on 10/22/2012 1:54:06 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: SaraJohnson

Plenty of scientists are humble, hard working, and religious. To condemn every scientist is ridiculous.


22 posted on 10/22/2012 2:04:21 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Olog-hai

This is close to the old witch burnings IMO.


23 posted on 10/22/2012 2:06:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Albion Wilde
That's the first thing that I thought of as well!

First Galileo Galilei, now this!

24 posted on 10/22/2012 2:12:01 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: LibWhacker

Excellent idea. When a judge releases a known rapist/killer and the perptrator does it again; Well then the new victim should be able to sue the judge and defense attorney for damages. It is their fault that the action was able to take place since the perp was not in prison where he should have been.

I would vot for that. Be a liberal, activist, moronic, judge and go to jail.


25 posted on 10/22/2012 2:14:04 PM PDT by dirtymac
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To: Olog-hai

Justice would mean charging climatologist and ecologists with murder. Seismologists, not so much.


26 posted on 10/22/2012 2:15:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Olog-hai

Is this a joke?


27 posted on 10/22/2012 2:22:39 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2
Is this a joke?

I went to the source article. Seems legit.

Here's my guess. These 'scientists' are the scapegoats for the politicians who WERE warned by the scientists, but refused to do anything about it, because the scientists couldn't pin down an exact time and date. (the plot for every volcano movie I've seen)

When it happened, the politicians told the public it was the scientists who wouldn't tell them when it would happen. Which was true.

Ergo.... guilty.

This is the New World Order.... and it's coming to your door.

28 posted on 10/22/2012 2:54:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: driftless2
Is this a joke?

Sadly, no.

29 posted on 10/22/2012 2:55:34 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Olog-hai

Not to worry, next big quake, they’ll be free.. It won’t be their fault the prison walls crumble. Italian courts will then try the providers of the concrete that built the walls and send them to prison too.


30 posted on 10/22/2012 3:16:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: SaraJohnson

“Scientists want to be the West’s secular all knowing gods...so here it is, god, fix everything.”

You have obviously never met a scientists. There are hundreds and perhaps thousands of them on this web site alone, yet, your comment was one of the strangest ignorance.

About the only people I ever hear saying such stupid things are extreme born-agains that won’t so much as ever go to the doctor or take a pill and watch their family die instead all because, “If God wants them to live he won’t take them from me.”


31 posted on 10/22/2012 3:18:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Olog-hai

Well, this is good news...

Now, all the “experts” and “scientists” can be accountable for all their claims, no matter how wild, silly, or unfounded in true science they really are.

Anyone over about 40 can now sue for the second coming of the ice age...that never happened.


32 posted on 10/22/2012 3:20:27 PM PDT by Professional
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To: rfp1234
Just like Stalin's arrests for "wrecking" or "sabotage against the state".

The Kenyan must go.

33 posted on 10/22/2012 4:13:55 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: CodeToad

I have a family with some US scientists and couple of medical doctors. They don’t think they know everything and don’t get in people’s faces about God and religion, or they would get their butts kicked. All of them except for one, are Christians. I also work with scientists in my career.

You are acting emotionally distraught. I was speaking of socialist ideology in Italy, because that is the topic of discussion on this thread. Socialist ideology has crashed the economy and cleansed Western culture in Italy and most of Europe. Western science came out of Western culture. Modern Western culture came out of Christianity.

It’s important that US scientists don’t permit the socialists to drag them into their cultural and economic wars (like you just did trying to demonize me as a person who won’t take pills because of my religion, you kooky guy). It’s really not a war between Christians and “scientists” as leftists claim but if leftists win power and claim science as the authority and rule of life, we can see what happens here in this article. In the former Soviet Union and in China professionals are punished like this.

The socialists won in Italy and now they are convicting their scientists of crimes for not being all knowing like gods. You need to try and see what is coming and what is at stake instead of falling for the Left’s ignorant anti-Christian hate game. It’s Western culture they are after. The culture that built American science and medicine.

Don’t pretend you are speaking for all doctors and scientists on Free Republic. Unlike you, most of them have this figured out.


34 posted on 10/22/2012 4:51:58 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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"emotionally distraught"

You should learn the words you are trying to use instead of emotionally posting and looking even sillier.

35 posted on 10/22/2012 4:59:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Olog-hai

Show of hands: Who wants to serve on the next Grand Commission?


36 posted on 10/22/2012 5:02:46 PM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: CodeToad

That explains it! You are up-side-down! :)


37 posted on 10/22/2012 5:45:40 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Olog-hai; Fractal Trader; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
Thanks Olog-hai and Fractal Trader! This is an idiotic trial and an idiotic outcome, but the worst part is, apparently some FReepers agree with the verdict.



38 posted on 10/23/2012 3:25:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: MD Expat in PA

I’m also a little disturbed by the comments of some Freepers who think these scientists are getting what they deserve because supposedly they support global warming. This is clearly wrongheaded. For one thing we don’t know if any of the scientists in this trial supported global warming, but even if they did you don’t put people in prison for failing to make a correct prediction concerning earthquakes. What’s next: throw weathermen in jail for failing to predict blizzards or tornadoes? I predict every Italian seisomologist in Italy will exit the country leaving it worse off than before concerning earthquake preparation.


39 posted on 10/23/2012 3:33:24 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Olog-hai; All
what the hell?..
(brainless Italian Socialist twits...repeating myself :)
ok.. predict the next volcanic eruptions on Dec. 21st worldwide
the weather in Denmark/Singapore next May 21st
maybe some (the next :) winning lotto #'s for jimrob.. :-)

40 posted on 10/23/2012 3:51:24 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie. Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Olog-hai

The level of stupid here is just staggering! Now, we’ll have scientists predicting Earthquakes almost daily, whether they truly believe one is going to occur, or not.....


41 posted on 10/23/2012 5:54:22 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Albion Wilde
"From the nation that brought you Gallileo"

Didn't Gallileo get into some kind of trouble too, because his work with outer space conflicted with religious teachings, or something of the like?

42 posted on 10/23/2012 5:57:04 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Olog-hai

With the liberal MSM, sometimes you read a story so outlandish you think there have to be some facts missing.

In this case, I had heard elsewhere that all the scientists worked for a government agency.

I can imagine a scenario where they have been living off the public teat for years by claiming they could predict earthquakes. Perhaps this conviction is for theft by fraud.

The story needs more information. What did these scientists claim they could do? What were they paid to do? And what did they actually do?


43 posted on 10/23/2012 6:34:48 AM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: SunkenCiv

Has the term “FINO” yet been coined for such people?


44 posted on 10/23/2012 10:26:46 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: KoRn

They weren’t religious teachings per se. The church officials at that time upheld the view of Aristotle and Ptolemy that all heavenly bodies rotated around the earth (the so-called “geocentric orbit” theory). It may have been that the heliocentric orbit that the telescopes revealed (and that was concurrent with Copernicus’ findings and the theories of Aristarchus) echoed too much of sun worship and Ba’alism, to the church’s view back then.


45 posted on 10/23/2012 10:36:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Vinos.


46 posted on 10/24/2012 6:33:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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