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TRENDING: 'Horses and bayonets' shows Obama's debate strategy
CNN ^ | 10/22/2012 | Kevin Liptak

Posted on 10/22/2012 10:30:02 PM PDT by Qbert

(CNN) - Perhaps it only makes sense that a candidate who prepared for a presidential debate near Colonial Williamsburg would choose to slam Mitt Romney's plan for more Navy ships by using the phrase "horses and bayonets."

President Barack Obama's quip - meant to make the point that modern warfare doesn't require the type of equipment it did in the past - appeared part of a larger strategy of casting his opponent as stuck in a time warp on important issues. And Republicans, seeing an opening, are making sure shipbuilders just down the road from President Barack Obama's Virginia prep location are aware of the president's suggestion their industry is a thing of the past.

Obama made the jab Monday at his final debate with Mitt Romney.

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916," Obama said in a pointed jab at the GOP nominee. "Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military's changed."

He continued, "We had these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. So the question is not a game of battleship where we're counting ships. It's 'What are our capabilities?'"

That was in response to an allegation from Romney that "our Navy is smaller now than at any time since 1917."

"The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission," the Republican candidate continued. "We're now at under 285. We're headed down to the low 200s if we go through a sequestration. That's unacceptable to me."

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Yet Republicans say Obama's lumping together of Navy ships with "horses and bayonets" could harm him in the key battleground of Virginia, where some of the Navy's largest shipbuilding...

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; bayonets; debate; horses; obama; romney; sequestration
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"We had these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."

What a childish embarrassment.

1 posted on 10/22/2012 10:30:11 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

So snarky and condescending. Just like every lib I have ever met.


2 posted on 10/22/2012 10:32:20 PM PDT by kimchi lover (Obyebye 2012)
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To: kimchi lover

But did Obama call Romney a silly English pig-dog, threaten to fart in his general direction, or call Romney a wiper of other people’s bottoms?

That seems to be about the level of Obama’s discourse...

King Arthur comes face to face with the silly Frenchman.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 10:35:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Qbert

oh, this was Obama’s best argument of the night according to the big brains over at DU.

They summarize the three debates with pictures of Big Bird, a binder, and a horseback soldier that looks like Pacho Villa holding a short sword (I guess they figure it’s bayonet-ish enough)

Which tells you about all you need to know about who won the debates, the intellectual lever of the DUmp, and who will be our next President.


4 posted on 10/22/2012 10:36:34 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Qbert

Yet Republicans say Obama’s lumping together of Navy ships with “horses and bayonets” could harm him in the key battleground of Virginia...”

...this is ridiculous. I hope it’s true but I can’t see anyone casting their vote based on this stupid line. Especially in Virginia.


5 posted on 10/22/2012 10:38:00 PM PDT by albie ("Work as if you were to live a hundred years. Pray as if you were to die tomorrow." Benjamin Frankli)
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To: Qbert
"We had these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."

I half expected him to then say: "And they have these gizmos and thingamajigs on them that go boom!"

6 posted on 10/22/2012 10:38:32 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: kimchi lover

“So snarky and condescending. Just like every lib I have ever met.”

Oh, you don’t have to tell me. I work in Hollywood and surrounded by these scum bastards.


7 posted on 10/22/2012 10:39:30 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Qbert

How does one control the blue waters with fewer than 300 ships?


8 posted on 10/22/2012 10:39:48 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Qbert

Obama has declared war on Par 5s. No need for horses or bayonets.. unless the out of bounds are mined, then a bayonet could still come in handy retrieving his errant shot(s). I guess a horse could pull the caisson with his beer cooler and freezer bag full of shaved ice and ice cream.


9 posted on 10/22/2012 10:40:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Qbert
[”. . .we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military’s changed.”]

In the opening weeks of the U.S. war in Afghanistan American Special Forces soldiers rode into battle on horseback alongside their Northern Alliance cohorts.

10 posted on 10/22/2012 10:40:31 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: albie

"...this is ridiculous. I hope it’s true but I can’t see anyone casting their vote based on this stupid line. Especially in Virginia."

It's not simply the line- it's everything behind it. Sequestration is going to cause havoc in VA.

11 posted on 10/22/2012 10:41:15 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Little barry bastard boy gave responses at the level of his supporters, so guttering his jibes was right on target for whom he expected to sway. ... And that is telling, since at this late date he shouldn’t have to be trying to get his dead-heads to vote for him. Little petulent barry boy behaved on par with his low nature and responded just as a drug-addled liberal would expect. Even axelgreasy can’t polish that turd!


12 posted on 10/22/2012 10:46:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: bigbob

"oh, this was Obama’s best argument of the night according to the big brains over at DU."

That may play well with Obama's base... but it's starting to become very apparent to almost everybody else why Washington has become so nasty and divisive the last four years.

13 posted on 10/22/2012 10:49:05 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: mass55th
Are we to assume that Governor Romney did not know that we had Aircraft Carriers and Submarines? Isn't that the implication that Obama made?

The question is, are Voters so stupid as to think that response had anything to do with the fact that our Navy says it needs 300+ Ships and Pharaoh Obama thinks 200 Ships is just about right?

Was Obama an Admiral? I think the closest he gets to that Rank is when he eats Captain Crunch for breakfast when Moochelle is on one of her Vacations.

14 posted on 10/22/2012 10:49:05 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
In the opening weeks of the U.S. war in Afghanistan American Special Forces soldiers rode into battle on horseback alongside their Northern Alliance cohorts.

Joe Biden even gave the unveiling address at the statue to the US Special Forces' "Horse Soldiers" located at the WTC site in NYC. I'm having issues getting the pic of Biden speaking in front of the statue to post properly (either as an img or as an a href=), but here's the address for it: http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2011/11/p/200b.jpg
15 posted on 10/22/2012 10:50:30 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Qbert

I am sure this will go over well like Big Bird, Binders, etc. They keep looking for a silver bullet.


16 posted on 10/22/2012 10:50:46 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Qbert

The navy doesn’t need horses or bayonets, but yes it needs more ships. Including the types of “things” Obama mentioned- more subs and aircraft carriers, as well as destroyers, anti missile ships, etc.


17 posted on 10/22/2012 10:53:30 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Qbert

I never saw the debates as I was on set for a production company. I actually thought horses and bayonets’ was what obama called Moo-chelle...


18 posted on 10/22/2012 10:54:05 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Qbert
But seriously. Look at Obama's 'bayonet' argument.

"we have fewer horses and bayonets ..." but ... "we have aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."

Therefore, he argues, a trillion dollar cut to the military budget will not hurt.

Not sure I follow the logic. Is he saying bayonets and horses cost more than nuclear submarines????

19 posted on 10/22/2012 10:54:16 PM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: Kickass Conservative

It was typical Obama, he said we don’t need horses and bayonets anymore, we need ships- and people will fall for this when Romney’s whole point was we need more ships?


20 posted on 10/22/2012 10:56:19 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: RobbyS
Remember, this is the same guy who wants to shrink our Nuclear Arsenal to 300 Warheads. Yes, 300.

He told Medvedev that he would be “more flexible” after the Election. Wink, wink...

Hopefully 300 Nukes and 200 ships will earn Obama 100 Electoral Votes.

21 posted on 10/22/2012 10:56:41 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: Qbert
Pirates
22 posted on 10/22/2012 10:58:13 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Winning is Everything.)
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To: Qbert
Adding something else I just realized ... the Freedom-class Littoral Combat Ship, which is what the USN wants to buy dozens of to replaces its Perry-class Frigates and beef up it's surface combatant fleet, is built by by Marinette Marine in Marinette, Wisconsin.

The USN wants to build somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 of them at a cost of $670.4 Million per (see Wikipedia entry on the class) - which would constitute half of the total LCS buy (the other half being the Independence-class trimaran hull type).

That works out to what? Nearly $17 BILLION that Obama seemed to indicate this evening that he'd want to take away from the Wisconsin shipbuilder?

If I were Romney I'd be sending Congressman Ryan home TOMORROW to start talking up the matter and bombarding the state with adverts about it.
23 posted on 10/22/2012 10:58:55 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Qbert

First, obama admitted he wants to cut the navy and not build anymore ships.

Second, Romney should have pointed out that our enemies have the same technology we have so we need more of it.


24 posted on 10/22/2012 11:01:34 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Qbert

Ships don’t go under water.

Boats do.


25 posted on 10/22/2012 11:02:18 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I know what it is to be Black,to be hated for who I am, more so than Whoppi does. I'm a Republican.)
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To: tanknetter

And by the way, can somebody explain to me why libs believe all government spending boosts the economy ... except military spending?


26 posted on 10/22/2012 11:04:32 PM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: tanknetter

Thanks.


27 posted on 10/22/2012 11:07:20 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Qbert

Number of USMC in WW2 485k. In 2010 there were 203k.

So, yes, there were fewer bayonets and horses. There were also fewer MRE’s, socks, etc...


28 posted on 10/22/2012 11:08:23 PM PDT by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: Qbert

I read on another site that “ships that go underwater” are called “sunk,” because submarines are “boats,” not ships. I don’t know if this is right or not, but it made me laugh out loud.


29 posted on 10/22/2012 11:11:11 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Kickass Conservative

“Was Obama an Admiral?”

No, but he has probably sung “In the Navy” while in the bathtub a couple of times.


30 posted on 10/22/2012 11:12:12 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: Qbert

Barry’s little SNL skit didn’t change any minds tonight.


31 posted on 10/22/2012 11:12:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (“Big Bird, Binders, Horses and Bayonets!” Sorry that’s all we’ve got! - the DNC)
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To: hsalaw

Ships that go underwater are crewed by corpse men.


32 posted on 10/22/2012 11:13:16 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: Psalm 144; NoLibZone

LOL!


33 posted on 10/22/2012 11:15:02 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: NoLibZone

“Ships don’t go under water.

Boats do”.

That is such a great observation! Please tweet that! (I have never tweeted so we need YOU.)

Except ships do sometimes go underwater, like for instance if Obama was the captain and did not know how to check the charts and weather reports and causes the crew to go out into dangerous weather and dangerous territory.

Also, wasn’t it something how, when Mitt gave his powerful quote , “Mr. President, America Has Not Dictated to Other Nations; We Have Freed Other Nations From Dictators” how his opponent, cried out for Bob. I guess he expected Bob to interrupt and save him just as Candy Crawley did. HA HA!


34 posted on 10/22/2012 11:15:02 PM PDT by PrayAndVoteConservesInLibsOut
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To: Qbert
“We had these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.”

Is that sentence structure coming from a Harvard Grad? We “had” Aircraft Carriers? Where did they go?

Aircraft Carriers “where” planes land on them? Huh?

We have “these” ships that go underwater? Yes, we have Submarines, and everyone knows they go underwater.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, as many FReepers can attest, but really, WTF? This is some brilliant retort when discussing the purposeful wholesale dismantling of our Navy? God help us if this MORON gets reelected.

35 posted on 10/22/2012 11:17:45 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: Psalm 144

And they’ll need medical attention by paralegals from all 57 states!!


36 posted on 10/22/2012 11:18:46 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: hsrazorback1

Speaking of horses.

“Hey Obama, go F*&* yourself, and the horse you rode in on!!”


37 posted on 10/22/2012 11:19:09 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Qbert

In short, Romney decided to let Obama figuratively hang himself politically. And boy, did Obama oblige.


38 posted on 10/22/2012 11:27:50 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

"Barry’s little SNL skit didn’t change any minds tonight."

Actually, it did... Obama lost even more independent votes tonight:

"A PPP poll of independents who watched the debate found that 32 percent are more likely to vote for Obama after the debate, while 48 percent are less likely to do so. In the same vein, 47 percent are more likely to vote for Romney, with 35 percent less likely to..."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/cnn-poll-tends-to-confirm-that-romney-won-by-drawing.php

39 posted on 10/22/2012 11:28:42 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Didn’t a British troop get some recognition in the ME for a bayonet attack recently, too?


40 posted on 10/22/2012 11:29:10 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Qbert; All

No one knows what China is doing.

These people are unaware of China’s aggression.

If you said, “Look... China and Japan are having issues...” they would say, “huh?”


41 posted on 10/22/2012 11:32:00 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9571522/Soldier-who-led-Afghanistan-bayonet-charge-into-hail-of-bullets-honoured.html


42 posted on 10/22/2012 11:34:38 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Corb Lund Horse Soldier, Afganistan at the end.
43 posted on 10/22/2012 11:53:50 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Kickass Conservative

He is also the same fool who said “corpse-man”.


44 posted on 10/22/2012 11:56:33 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Kickass Conservative

He is also the same fool who said “corpse-man”.


45 posted on 10/22/2012 11:56:33 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: All

The maritime environment also permits freedom of action unfettered by international boundaries and agreements.

However, the stacked Iranian threats in our AOR of ballistic missiles, long range rockets, mines, small boats, cruise missiles and submarines demand stronger naval presence and capability to protect vital sea lines of communication.

I view with concern efforts to decrease our naval presence and capability when our volatile AOR and the threats of the future are increasingly maritime.

Demands on our naval forces will only grow in the future; I anticipate that we will need more maritime missile defense, anti-fast attack craft capabilities, amphibious ships and mine-countermeasure capability, and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets.

Maintaining a credible naval force covered by sufficient aviation combat power is essential for demonstrating our enduring commitment to regional partners, building trust and relationships and rapid projection of power in a crisis.

We are working to address our near-term capabilities and I am grateful for the Committee’s strong support.
http://www.centcom.mil/en/about-centcom/posture-statement/


46 posted on 10/23/2012 12:00:36 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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"We had these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."

What a childish embarrassment.

That's what my husband and I said when we heard it.

Are the libs claiming Obama won the debate because of this stupid "zinger"??

47 posted on 10/23/2012 12:03:47 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: bigbob; StarFan; NautiNurse; Nick Danger; GOPsterinMA; GOPJ; Bigg Red
oh, this was Obama’s best argument of the night according to the big brains over at DU.

They summarize the three debates with pictures of Big Bird, a binder, and a horseback soldier that looks like Pacho Villa holding a short sword (I guess they figure it’s bayonet-ish enough)

ROTFL!

48 posted on 10/23/2012 12:06:17 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: fella

Thanks.


49 posted on 10/23/2012 12:14:56 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: kimchi lover
Yes, like those in the MSM.

These guys are smug and arrogant, no one is as smart as they are!

50 posted on 10/23/2012 12:40:35 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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