Posted on 10/23/2012 8:56:21 AM PDT by marktwain
Tulsa, Okla. —
Don't be surprised if, on November 1st, you see people carrying firearms in holsters in plain sight.
November 1st is the day the state's Open Carry law takes effect.
Tulsa Police have been getting some additional training on how to deal with people who are carrying their guns in the open.
And Tulsa Police Officer Jill Roberson says it will take some adjustment on the part of the public as well.
She said they expect to get lots of 911 calls from people who are concerned because they see someone with a gun, at least at first, until they get accustomed to the open carry phenomenon.
And she reminds people who carry their guns openly to be ready to produce their license when asked by a police officer.
"That law does state than anyone who chooses to openly carry, then we can demand to see their license at that time, so if there's any reason to do that, then that's what we're going to do," she said.
(Excerpt) Read more at krmg.com ...
"Yes it is in the law that I have to supply my license if asked. But that does not change the fact that it is against the law (as decided by SCOTUS) to detain me simply to ask to see my license without RAS/PC of an actual crime being committed. And yes it IS a detainment as I am not free to go until it is supplied (though one should ask if they are free to go prior to supplying the HWL in order to prevent the cop from saying something like "I didn't detain him, he could have simply walked away"). So it is a Catch22 for both the citizen and the officer. Is the citizen willing to assert their right and risk a costly court battle, and does the cop know/care about the SCOTUS ruling that prevents them from making such arbitrary stops?"
I’m a little unclear on what’s going on here. Regarding the OK open carry, is the license in question a concealed carry license or something else? I.E. you need a concealed carry license to open carry? Is it some sort of open carry license?
I’m from a state where open carry doesn’t require any sort of license, so this is foreign to me.
Convenient. Just in time for the riots.............
It’s kind of squirrely. If you have a concealed license you can now carry openly.
I think the real purpose (at least in my case) is if your shirt should raise up and reveal your firearm under the existing law it would be considered a violation. Now if you accidentally reveal your firearm you are still ok.
It’s really a hassle, I’ve got to go out shopping for a new 6 gun rig. Yahoo yippie kai yay.
What if the actual crime being committed is carrying a weapon without a license?
WI has had Open Carry for a long time, most people don’t do it though and I now have a concealed carry permit. You are looking for trouble in most cases if you open carry, because the thugs see it as a chance to take it away.
Actually, it seems to make pretty good sense; at least for CCW holders, eh?
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I’d say so, but as always there will be some people...
Thanks for the clarification. Still seems a little goofy to me though.
I’ve heard of being well armed, but a rig to carry 6 guns? I’m impressed.
Carrying a weapon does not constitute reasonable suspicion that one is carrying without a license.
Heck you should see MS laws. Concealed carry requires a permit, open carry does not. But....some idiot judge decided that a holster or other device constitutes a “concealment” at least in part of a weapon so the weapon is considered concealed which requires a permit. On the flip side, a concealed permit requires that gun is fully concealed from sight, so the “open carry law” is nothing more than empty words all because some idiot judge overrode it and nobody stepped on the lunacy.
Not really. The cases where an attack against an open carrier occurred because they were carrying openly are dwarfed by the cases where a concealed carrier were attacked because the criminal did not know they were armed.
The real danger that you face as an open carrier is government harrassment. You have to be prepared for that. Carry a recorder and be very polite to the police. Many open carriers have recieved settlements from lawsuits over deprevation of rights, but it is a danger that you have to be aware of and willing to deal with.
What would constitute reasonable suspicion that one is carrying without a license?
There has been maybe a couple of cases of open carriers having their firearm taken.
Most the the time the bad guys see as a chance of getting shot instead of a chance to get a weapon.
There are a lot safer ways of obtaining a firearm then attacking a armed person.
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